A thread to discuss Lee
So, how long do you all think Lee would have lived had he not been held back by Clementine? He was able to fight his way through a walker hoard without even getting injured....unless you fail that part, then he dies lol. But the point is he seems much more capable than the average person to survive the zombie apocalypse.
You can even beat Molly in a fight, and look at how good she is at surviving....
So, how long do you all think Lee would have survived had he not had Clementine to protect? I personally think he would have survived a long time, years, maybe his whole life.
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Long. But the point of Lee was that he was redeeming himself with this little girl. What a waste. She just turns into a strong-arming, emotionless piece of crap.
Depends, I'd say on the contrary that it IS Clementine that gave him the strength he had during those months. he might have died at Clem's house too if she didn't help him, like he says multiple times throughout the game.
I think Lee could do all the thing he did because he did them for her, but that's just how I want to see it
Tell me this doesn't give you enough strength to lift a mountain.
I'd say that he would of survived a hell of allot longer than he did but then again you could say that Clementine was the only thing keeping him going and without her help at the house he wouldn't of gotten the hammer and killed Sandra but then you could go on to saying that he wouldn't of found the radio and gotten distracted and so on. There are endless possibilities but if Clem didn't get kidnapped and left her hat behind I'm sure that Lee wouldn't of gotten bitten anytime soon.
Well, she doesn't necessarily turn emotionless. She still clearly cares about things, she just becomes tough. If you want to see emotionless....I saw a conversation about Carl in the comics being pretty emotionless.
I don't think he would have either. I mean he managed to outsmart and fight off zombies multiple times and made it look easy lol.
Fine, there are about two times when she sounds like she gives a fuck after Omid's death.
Oh, the days of S1 Clem. How I miss you so.
Yeah, Clem saved lee on many occasions.
He possibly could have fort off Sandra and left Clementines house alone and still met Shaun and gone to the farm and met Kenny and his family and they still could have gone to the dairy farm but there would be no way that they could have escaped the meat locker without Clementine going through the vent and opening the door, so he would probably have been killed and eaten by the cannibals or zombie Larry.
If you don't grab the hammer, Lee dies.
Kenny might not of taken you to Macon if you helped Shaun instead of Duck. I think the only reason he takes you in game regardless of your choice is because you have Clementine with you.
I think that lee is black
This forum has some very strange comments.
There are several outcomes of what could have happened without Clementine, Like Harpadarpa said without her help with the hammer he probably would have died in her house.
I find the manipulative and mean choices hilarious, and if you agree to be Sarah's friend it doesn't seem to have much if any emotion in it. But she smiles for a bit after being given food by her new group, she seems sad when she kills the dog(not sure what happens if you leave the dog, I assume something similar), she seems to care about Christa enough to try to save her, you can bring up how you miss Omid, Lee, or Kenny, or something along those lines, to Christa.
I think Clementine is fine, not emotionless. I guess that's just my opinion though. Either way, I'm happy with her character.
Indeed it does.
She still doesn't sound like she gives a fuck in the manipulative choices. Also, the dog is one of the three times she shows emotion. And yeah, leaving the dog is the most horrible thing I've seen in a while, but she almost looks like she doesn't care... Saving Christa is the other one. She shows some sort of something in the stitching scene, but it was more pain than emotion.
I suppose it all depends on how you play her, as a hardass or more classic Clem. Either way, I wouldn't say Lee's time with her was wasted, but that's just my opinion.
We can only hope, I suppose. I just really hope that Clemmy is better in episode 2.
I hope she will be, but it's hard to survive the apocalypse as a sweet innocent little girl. As for her stealing supplies, the group didn't give her much choice. They wouldn't let her go and they wouldn't give her immediate medical attention which she needed. So that's one bad thing she did that she needed to do.
Lee a jolly good lad
Clem saved Lee on many occasions and would get sympathy off many groups etc having a child without her he just a convicted murderer felt his life would be meaningless and saving clem gave his life meaning i actually think he become a serial killer as have nothing left and his murderer and would not last long and if Lee never got Clem should be dead so unthinkable
I don't even care if she's not as innocent. I just want her voice to be more lively.
Yeah, her voice does sound monotone at times
Most of them.
She is supposed to sound nearly emotionless, emotions cloud judgement, and good judgement is the only thing that keeps you alive. The only thing she would be feeling at this moment would be guilt and sadness, both of which she shows well.
Pretty ironic that you're saying this when you're controlling Clementine in Season Two, it was YOU who made her emotionless. You can clearly see she still has emotions. You would have to be blind to say otherwise.
Sometimes she has emotions. Like before the intro's ending, she's alright. Also, I've done two playthroughs, and seen a couple others on youtube. In most options she's emotionless or ruthless, and a few when she's happy. Not many though. Granted, I fucked up a couple of choices in my first one, naively thinking that she'd be less harsh about it, but my point stands.
Then don't make me play as her. I'd rather hear a voice like Mark's than Clem's boring monotone.
Well, there are plenty of other games in the world.
I've played it quite an awful lot, as you can see. About seven-eight times I think? And no, she most certainly has emotions. When you're stuck in the zombie apocalypse for over two years of course you're going to be emotionally hardened. Clementine can't stay all sweet and innocent forever. That's just a matter of life and death. If she stayed like that things wouldn't go all too good for her. She had to depart her innocent side to survive. And she couldn't just cry on someone's lap if she was getting upset (which she never done).
Clementine has always been a girl of mystery, she's always been the shy type and didn't open up too often to others. Heck Katjaa always considered her a mystery. But to call her emotionless? She's lost her innocence, she's growing up in a world where dead people walk free, of course she's going to be like this.
But this one is... Or was better than the rest, and considering how early it is, I want it to change. I haven't liked a game this much in a while, and I want the sequel to be as good.
The first episode was seemingly supposed to underline in every way how shitty it is to live in that world as a child on your own. I'm sure she'll brighten up later once there is something to smile about in her life.
You really enjoyed the first one that much? If you truely thought it was the best, then have faith in the people creating it. The emotions will come, they will make you cry, and weep, and tear out your hair. But, you need to let the people tell the story first.
Don't you people get it? I don't give a shit if she's sweet and innocent. I just want her to emote. It's nothing with her lines, how she acts, Melissa Hutchison sounded kind of monotone in this. It threw me off to see the Clem I loved so much for her efficient ability to relay how she feels without overdoing it to the point of being irritating talking like someone who's never experienced any emotion whatsoever, or like a bitch, in the blackmail and douchebag route. Though those can be forgiven. They certainly make more sense. Both from a player's perspective and Clementine's. From the player's perspective, though, it doesn't make sense to have Clementine be the player. If she weren't, I wouldn't care. Instead, I'd love her all the more for it, but it bugs me that we can't show any emotion that Clementine feels no matter our choices. There's one instance where we control her thoughts of someone. Once. Unlike with Lee, where he could give people benefit of the doubt or hate them (like Larry). With Clem, the only choosing we got to do of what we thought of others was accepting Nick's apology or not (which... Everything involving Nick and Pete was really well done, tip of the hat to that), or, "She's mean, I don't like her," "She doesn't scare me," or, "What's her problem?" Give us some choice here, huh? Maybe let me give her the benefit of the doubt? She might not be all bad, eh?
Which... will end up dying. :P
But they don't have a lot of time to tell this story. 5 episodes for the lot of it. Clem spending a fifth of it moping and sounding bored and shit doesn't get a point across, and it doesn't help much. In the end, if she does brighten up, even as a completely different person, we'll remember the beginning of season 2 as kinda crappy, and considering my opinion of their past projects... I hope Clem's depressed-ness or whatever goes away quick.
She wasn't exactly alone. She had Christa. And that's really what I hope, underscore.
Well based on where things seem to headed, I guess you're right. I meant there can be some moments of friendship and flowers and happiness between now and everybody's inevitable doom I guess :P