Good point :P Hopefully we meet some legit good people and some backstabbers. I know we can't trust in the game's world but if everyone is a douche it'll be too much even for TWD ;/
To me speculating on anything for an upcoming game runs the risk of taking fun out of the game since if the assumption is correct you already see it coming
It's really hard to hold much against someone who is being tortured. I wouldn't blame him for giving up info during tour true, partially because my own tolerance for pain is shit.
True, but there is more to it than just "yes he will talk" or "no he won't talk". Like could he buy the group any time? Could he warn the group? Could he lead the bad guys astray? Would he even try to hold steadfast, or tell them everything before they even attempted anything?
Also, that was just another example. My point was just that there are so many rewards people could consider "worth betraying" for.
It's really hard to hold much against someone who is being tortured. I wouldn't blame him for giving up info during tour true, partially because my own tolerance for pain is shit.
This is gold ! The situation between us and Luke is pretty similar at this point, We meet him,We trust him, We get attached to him, Will he turn his back on Clem too just like Sam did ?That would make you look like a prophet
This is gold ! The situation between us and Luke is pretty similar at this point, We meet him,We trust him, We get attached to him, Will he turn his back on Clem too just like Sam did ?That would make you look like a prophet
If Luke betrays Clem (and by that extent, us) It makes more sense for it to be a situation where Luke is forced to choose between the groups safety or Clementine's safety.
I mainly think this because we already know what his answer is to that question the first time it was asked in the shed situation of episode 1. I also see Luke's actions in the shed scene as foreshadowing.
From the looks of Playing Dead, Luke will have to take a dual role as the both group leader and as Clementine's main and possibly sole friend and ally.
At some point, I'm sure events will force him to choose between the greater good (the whole group or what is left of it, including Sarah) or Clementine.
The way these events come to pass will make it a betrayal, instead of merely a situation where he helped them first instead of Clem.
For example: What if a larger and better armed group of bandits was offering the lives of your entire group, for the life of the one?
What if your group had been captured, and securing the escape of the single friend at the end of the breakout meant putting the entire group at the risk of recapture and execution?
...
What if the needs of the one was weighed against the needs of the many?
There are ways for fate to force the hand of even the kindest, most honorable individual to betray a friend. The fact that Telltale weaves the fate, and the foreshadowing placed by them before it, makes me realize how likely this eventuality is.
What you didn't know, is that he REALLY meant that!
Don't trust Luke man, he's the Dog Avenger! All that acting nice thing is just part of his cunning plan!
This is why I like you as a user Qipoi... you don't just agree or disagree, you give opinion/facts/inferences to justify your ideas. So thank you for sharing
I responded to someone earlier in this thread about rewards which people would consider worth betraying for, while the safety of the group over the safety of the single person (Clem) wasn't one I addressed it definitely falls into that category (or at least it does from the others perspective, from Clem's (ours) it would be a terrible act). I don't see the acts at the shed/of the shed as foreshadowing, if anything I se it as anti-foreshadowing (is that a thing? It is now) in that while he acted that way at that point in time later, when he theoretically has 'manned up' and grown a stronger spine, he will try to stand up for her, but this is all assumptions (as are yours)
I took the Playing Dead with Scott a bit differently, while I see him stepping up to asume leadership eventually I don't think it will be for awhile. E2, I think, we will see Luke take on the sole role of Clem's caretaker (and I use that term very loosely) and her usher, trying to bring her into the fold with the other group members.
While your prediction/theory of Luke needing to betray Clem is completely plausible I don't think it is the road they will take. I think Luke will have some major flaws but I don't think it will lead to a betray of Clem, if anything I believe it would lead to a betrayal of the group for Clem.
You are probably wondering why I am arguing against a betray situation when the OP that I made has the direct oppostie implications. I don't follow this theory anymore, and while I think it is an interesting idea and a completely realistic evalution of where the game is heading I just don't believe it is how the game will play out. I only brought it back to the top due to a conversation I had in another thread that lead to a conversation similiar to this thread's discussion.
If Luke betrays Clem (and by that extent, us) It makes more sense for it to be a situation where Luke is forced to choose between the groups… more safety or Clementine's safety.
I mainly think this because we already know what his answer is to that question the first time it was asked in the shed situation of episode 1. I also see Luke's actions in the shed scene as foreshadowing.
From the looks of Playing Dead, Luke will have to take a dual role as the both group leader and as Clementine's main and possibly sole friend and ally.
At some point, I'm sure events will force him to choose between the greater good (the whole group or what is left of it, including Sarah) or Clementine.
The way these events come to pass will make it a betrayal, instead of merely a situation where he helped them first instead of Clem.
For example: What if a larger and better armed group of bandits was offering the lives of your entire group, for the life of … [view original content]
I actually see Luke as the "moral compass" of this season like Clementine was to Lee in Season 1 (and to us, as players.) Unfortunately I think this also means Luke will die in a very heartbreaking way, true to the TWD verse.
I can't wait to see how the 400 Days characters play into the new group and if we do run into Christa again (hopefully) if she has any pre-apocolypse ties to any of the characters or possibly any before Christa and Omid meet up with the S1 group. Christa was leary of being in a group again and saying it didn't work out for them before
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Don't get paranoid, haha
Good point :P Hopefully we meet some legit good people and some backstabbers. I know we can't trust in the game's world but if everyone is a douche it'll be too much even for TWD ;/
Paranoid? Im not paranoid! Did you hear something?
I'd let that walker go free
Added something to the topic instead of opening a new thread. Any fresh ideas?
I feel like brining this topic back into the fold. How will Sam's seen play into the overall story exactly?
It's really hard to hold much against someone who is being tortured. I wouldn't blame him for giving up info during tour true, partially because my own tolerance for pain is shit.
True, but there is more to it than just "yes he will talk" or "no he won't talk". Like could he buy the group any time? Could he warn the group? Could he lead the bad guys astray? Would he even try to hold steadfast, or tell them everything before they even attempted anything?
Also, that was just another example. My point was just that there are so many rewards people could consider "worth betraying" for.
Hiya, Salt
This is gold ! The situation between us and Luke is pretty similar at this point, We meet him,We trust him, We get attached to him, Will he turn his back on Clem too just like Sam did ?That would make you look like a prophet
I'd look like a prophet?...
Well now I really hope this happens
Lol have a good one, I'm off to the sack.
Of course you will, Not many people are calling this lol
Good night Buddy
If Luke betrays Clem (and by that extent, us) It makes more sense for it to be a situation where Luke is forced to choose between the groups safety or Clementine's safety.
I mainly think this because we already know what his answer is to that question the first time it was asked in the shed situation of episode 1. I also see Luke's actions in the shed scene as foreshadowing.
From the looks of Playing Dead, Luke will have to take a dual role as the both group leader and as Clementine's main and possibly sole friend and ally.
At some point, I'm sure events will force him to choose between the greater good (the whole group or what is left of it, including Sarah) or Clementine.
The way these events come to pass will make it a betrayal, instead of merely a situation where he helped them first instead of Clem.
For example: What if a larger and better armed group of bandits was offering the lives of your entire group, for the life of the one?
What if your group had been captured, and securing the escape of the single friend at the end of the breakout meant putting the entire group at the risk of recapture and execution?
...
What if the needs of the one was weighed against the needs of the many?
There are ways for fate to force the hand of even the kindest, most honorable individual to betray a friend. The fact that Telltale weaves the fate, and the foreshadowing placed by them before it, makes me realize how likely this eventuality is.
I refuse to accept that
He's out on a quest to avenge Sam, brah!
"You don't kill dogs, man!"
What you didn't know, is that he REALLY meant that!
Don't trust Luke man, he's the Dog Avenger! All that acting nice thing is just part of his cunning plan!
You can't refuse it. It hasn't happened... yet!
This is why I like you as a user Qipoi... you don't just agree or disagree, you give opinion/facts/inferences to justify your ideas. So thank you for sharing
I responded to someone earlier in this thread about rewards which people would consider worth betraying for, while the safety of the group over the safety of the single person (Clem) wasn't one I addressed it definitely falls into that category (or at least it does from the others perspective, from Clem's (ours) it would be a terrible act). I don't see the acts at the shed/of the shed as foreshadowing, if anything I se it as anti-foreshadowing (is that a thing? It is now) in that while he acted that way at that point in time later, when he theoretically has 'manned up' and grown a stronger spine, he will try to stand up for her, but this is all assumptions (as are yours)
I took the Playing Dead with Scott a bit differently, while I see him stepping up to asume leadership eventually I don't think it will be for awhile. E2, I think, we will see Luke take on the sole role of Clem's caretaker (and I use that term very loosely) and her usher, trying to bring her into the fold with the other group members.
While your prediction/theory of Luke needing to betray Clem is completely plausible I don't think it is the road they will take. I think Luke will have some major flaws but I don't think it will lead to a betray of Clem, if anything I believe it would lead to a betrayal of the group for Clem.
You are probably wondering why I am arguing against a betray situation when the OP that I made has the direct oppostie implications. I don't follow this theory anymore, and while I think it is an interesting idea and a completely realistic evalution of where the game is heading I just don't believe it is how the game will play out. I only brought it back to the top due to a conversation I had in another thread that lead to a conversation similiar to this thread's discussion.
this thread gots me all kinds of fucked up
Trust no one.
Question everything.
I actually see Luke as the "moral compass" of this season like Clementine was to Lee in Season 1 (and to us, as players.) Unfortunately I think this also means Luke will die in a very heartbreaking way, true to the TWD verse.
I can't wait to see how the 400 Days characters play into the new group and if we do run into Christa again (hopefully) if she has any pre-apocolypse ties to any of the characters or possibly any before Christa and Omid meet up with the S1 group. Christa was leary of being in a group again and saying it didn't work out for them before