In "All That Remains," however, the outer monologuing is used in the worst way possible. I am of course talking about the bathroom scene. In this scene, Rebecca walks into the bathroom, splashes some water on her face, and proceeds to confess her deepest darkest secret out loud in a clear concise manner to absolutely no one. ... The reason this is a giant problem is that Clementine overhears this and you can later taunt Rebecca about it. This is REALLY sloppy writing. ...
I agree that it felt a bit forced and sloppy, but it's actually not too bad if you look at it in context. Carver's group genuinely seems to be freakishly weird and potentially violent, crazy enough to where the cabin group strongly suspects he sent a child in as some kind of sleeper agent. If the baby is Carver's, he may want it back and that might be why Rebecca is fearful. If that's not the case, then simply being reminded of Carver's existence is probably enough for Rebecca to panic, because it might actually implicate Rebecca's association with Carver's group, in addition to ruining her relationship with Alvin.
The other sequences, like when Clem is alone, don't really bother me at all. It asks for a bit of suspension of disbelief in order to pass along information and give us insight to Clementine.
I disagree. Rebecca didn't know clem was hiding, plus she confessed quietly too herself, alone in the bathroom, thinking no one was there! I don't think it was sloppy writing plus its made for us to find out her secret to make hopefully an interesting story. If you don't hide at all in the bathroom, Rebecca doesn't even go in the bathroom did you know that? You don't find out her secret if that happens
It could have been done more subtly that's for sure. It seemed clear that Alvin and Rebecca were together so if she placed her hand on her belly and muttered "please be his" or "oh..Alvin" in a sad tone or even just "please" I think it would have come across and maybe seemed more natural.
It does happen that people externally vocalize whatever is going. My mother is notorious for going on to herself when she's working through some evil plan (evil for us her family). Personally I only vocalize the stupid things like Clem in the bathroom. The more dangerously personal stuff would need a lip reader.
I'd rather have then speak out in the open then we get sudden eerie brain voice, that would be worse.
But but...that's the best time to go brush your teeth T_T
I'll walk into the kitchen saying "water, oh sweet, sweet water...where are you?" then be happy when I find it in the fridge not empty (the bottle being not empty not the water).
I'll admit it. I tend to talk to myself like this. Now, I've never looked in the mirror and said, "Alright, time to brush my teeth." But problems, things I'm stressed about, etc ... yeah, I tend to say what I'm thinking out loud to myself.
Batman: Arkham has us hearing some of Batman's thoughts, like he's speaking outloud without the typical thought sounding voice, but his lips aren't moving so it's pretty clear it's just his thoughts.
When the protagonists outer-monologue as part of the game we clearly see their lips moving :P
It could have been done more subtly that's for sure. It seemed clear that Alvin and Rebecca were together so if she placed her hand on her bel… morely and muttered "please be his" or "oh..Alvin" in a sad tone or even just "please" I think it would have come across and maybe seemed more natural.
It does happen that people externally vocalize whatever is going. My mother is notorious for going on to herself when she's working through some evil plan (evil for us her family). Personally I only vocalize the stupid things like Clem in the bathroom. The more dangerously personal stuff would need a lip reader.
I'd rather have then speak out in the open then we get sudden eerie brain voice, that would be worse.
On that last part..
Batman: Arkham has us hearing some of Batman's thoughts, like he's speaking outloud without the typical thought soundin… moreg voice, but his lips aren't moving so it's pretty clear it's just his thoughts.
When the protagonists outer-monologue as part of the game we clearly see their lips moving :P
The girl in the bathroom was alone. How long had she been alone for? The longer you go, the more loopy you get. You get lonely. Of course she's going to talk to herself, going without talking or hearing others talk could really mess a person up.
On that last part..
Batman: Arkham has us hearing some of Batman's thoughts, like he's speaking outloud without the typical thought soundin… moreg voice, but his lips aren't moving so it's pretty clear it's just his thoughts.
When the protagonists outer-monologue as part of the game we clearly see their lips moving :P
Everyone talks to themselves all the time.when your all alone.when Clem or Lee talked to themselves they probably were thinking out loud or talking themselves.Or literally just thinking it and because it is a game they say it out loud.
I didnt bother me at all. People talk to themselves sometimes and she was clearly under a lot of stress. Was it a coincidence that Clementine heard it? Yeah, thats just part of storytelling to get the plot moving. I see it all the time on tv. I didnt find it to be an unusual thing to do though, and it didnt sound like some deep dark secret to me, just a woman trying to calm herself about something that probably never leaves her mind.
Eh, sorry to disappoint you, but the improvised confession without going to the church began as back in the 16th century with the Protestant Reformation.
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I've had full-blown conversations with myself in the bathroom whenever I was stressed to hell and back.
I agree that it felt a bit forced and sloppy, but it's actually not too bad if you look at it in context. Carver's group genuinely seems to be freakishly weird and potentially violent, crazy enough to where the cabin group strongly suspects he sent a child in as some kind of sleeper agent. If the baby is Carver's, he may want it back and that might be why Rebecca is fearful. If that's not the case, then simply being reminded of Carver's existence is probably enough for Rebecca to panic, because it might actually implicate Rebecca's association with Carver's group, in addition to ruining her relationship with Alvin.
The other sequences, like when Clem is alone, don't really bother me at all. It asks for a bit of suspension of disbelief in order to pass along information and give us insight to Clementine.
so... you had an affair?
I disagree. Rebecca didn't know clem was hiding, plus she confessed quietly too herself, alone in the bathroom, thinking no one was there! I don't think it was sloppy writing plus its made for us to find out her secret to make hopefully an interesting story. If you don't hide at all in the bathroom, Rebecca doesn't even go in the bathroom did you know that? You don't find out her secret if that happens
Don't forget that little hand gesture
It could have been done more subtly that's for sure. It seemed clear that Alvin and Rebecca were together so if she placed her hand on her belly and muttered "please be his" or "oh..Alvin" in a sad tone or even just "please" I think it would have come across and maybe seemed more natural.
It does happen that people externally vocalize whatever is going. My mother is notorious for going on to herself when she's working through some evil plan (evil for us her family). Personally I only vocalize the stupid things like Clem in the bathroom. The more dangerously personal stuff would need a lip reader.
I'd rather have then speak out in the open then we get sudden eerie brain voice, that would be worse.
But but...that's the best time to go brush your teeth T_T
I'll walk into the kitchen saying "water, oh sweet, sweet water...where are you?" then be happy when I find it in the fridge not empty (the bottle being not empty not the water).
On that last part..
Batman: Arkham has us hearing some of Batman's thoughts, like he's speaking outloud without the typical thought sounding voice, but his lips aren't moving so it's pretty clear it's just his thoughts.
When the protagonists outer-monologue as part of the game we clearly see their lips moving :P
"I'M BATMAN!"
I'd fill one of those tea cups with some bourbon if I could :]
The girl in the bathroom was alone. How long had she been alone for? The longer you go, the more loopy you get. You get lonely. Of course she's going to talk to herself, going without talking or hearing others talk could really mess a person up.
It's that typical thought sounding voice that disturbs me, it's as if they have an metal echo chamber in their head sometimes.
Yo dudes, in a world with no churches some may put up improvised confession booths in form of a mirror :u
Everyone talks to themselves all the time.when your all alone.when Clem or Lee talked to themselves they probably were thinking out loud or talking themselves.Or literally just thinking it and because it is a game they say it out loud.
I didnt bother me at all. People talk to themselves sometimes and she was clearly under a lot of stress. Was it a coincidence that Clementine heard it? Yeah, thats just part of storytelling to get the plot moving. I see it all the time on tv. I didnt find it to be an unusual thing to do though, and it didnt sound like some deep dark secret to me, just a woman trying to calm herself about something that probably never leaves her mind.
Eh, sorry to disappoint you, but the improvised confession without going to the church began as back in the 16th century with the Protestant Reformation.
I agree, completely agree. Telltale wants to show how Clementine "survives" on her own by using so many outer monologues..