Faith theories (SPOILERS)
So during the episode you find a letter from lily to faith thanking her from covering her shift with a client on one particular. Now the letter was in her cubby hole ( or on the floor outside her cubby hole so I'll assume it fell from there) so she must not have ever read it, so it must have been out there the night she died right?
Now considering how she died in the exact same way as lily I'm guessing the client she was with was crane acting out one of his fantasies, and I'll also assume she would be glamoured to look like snow.
In which case I'm wondering when her decapitated head was placed on the steps would have still been glamoured to look like snow when it was placed there? I'm guessing it did but when the glamour faded before it was found the killer decided they needed to take a second go at the head being found specifically looking like snows head, which is why they did the same thing with glamoured lily.
I'm gonna finish this first post now as it's getting a bit long but please discuss
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The question is what the motivation behind all this is. If the killer actually tries to kill Snow then he kind of should have realised after the first failed attempt.
If he isn´t trying to kill Snow but just her look-alikes then what is the point behind that? xD
If only there were more dead girls so we could have material to work with!
What was the supposed headless horsemans motivation in cranes story? Did it have anything to do with killing women crane loved, or am I getting that mixed up? Because if so that would make sense, that he would kill pristitutes looking like snow and because they were glamoured when they were with crane, crane not caring when they found faith.
Or maybe crane is the murderer, or is heavily involved, and is trying to use snow imposters to get bigby out of the picture by making him go mad with rage and getting thrown down the witching well, which would leave him free to make a move on the real snow without bigby interfering.
Just a couple of ideas
I just realised something... if Faith was killed while still being in Snow-form then how did Lily get the weird spell wooden thingy to turn into snow later on? Isn´t it unlikely that there are more than one of them?
I assumed they were something to do with the ordering/delivery of black market glamours, because crane has another in his car in the episode 3 preview, but I didn't see and don't imagine bigby wiuld of given it to him after investigating Lily's body. I could be totally wrong about this though.
I think the shift that Faith was covering was the meeting with the Woodsman, while Lily went to meet Mr. Smith. I think Woody was another of Lily's regulars, which is why he didn't recognise Faith and got annoyed at her when she turned up instead.
^ This. Also on a side note I don't think Faith's and Lily's murders are connected.
Going by the version the Fables universe, the Headless Horseman was just a hoax made by Crane's romantic Rival to scare him off town.
oh right... totally forgot about that. Thanks
The whole thing confused me so much... I totally forgot about the woodman.
What's you're reasoning?
Considering they were both beheaded with their heads place on the steps outside the woodlands (it is called the woodlands right? Got a weird feeling I'm wrong)
One thing that was distinctly different, from what we've seen, was the ribbon in faiths mouth
Another thing I've just thought of. How long did holly say that lily had been missing for? Because it might be that she had been been missing for much longer before faith going to meet the woodsman, in which case the note could be quite old
Cool, so what if crane is now using this as inspiration to try and scare away/get rid of bigby, as he sees him as his biggest romantic rival?
With missing you mean dead? I am pretty sure crane met lily after the head of faith was already found.
It just seems off to me that Crane would leave the heads there for someone in the woodlands to find when he himself lives and works there. I'm not saying he didn't kill Lily I believe he had a hand in that but I don't think he killed Faith. He may have beheaded Lily to make it look like there was a serial killer and possibly throw Bibgy off making him think the 2 murders are connected when they aren't.
If you have the woodsman at the start of the episode the main finding you get is that the reason he was hitting faith is because she was there instead of Lilly (he was a regular of hers). Faith apparently wouldnt do anything without all the money while Lilly apparnetly was usually a bit more leniant.
So yeah its the woodsman for sure that the note is about. I figure crane had an emergency appointment with Lilly and she had to rearrange the woodsman.
There is still a mystery on who killed both though
Crane met lily the night she was killed, but in episide 1 you go to the trip trap before that and talk to holly, who tells you that lily had been missing already for some amount of time.
So where was lily and what was she doing during this time while she was apparently missing before she had her appointment with crane?
Ooh ok. I've only done my playthroughs with dee interogated so far, so I didn't know that.
I guess this completely nullifies my theory of faith being a snow imposter then
I have a theory about Faith that I think is pretty strong. Please add more to it if you have ideas!
I made a connection to Faith and the "Girl with the green ribbon around her neck" story. This story is about a girl who has a ribbon around her neck and won't tell the boy she is with why. Finally when she lets him take it off, her head falls off, revealing that the ribbon was somehow magically keeping her head intact. This has a lot of similarities with Faith, but I dismissed it after Snow's head appeared. However, now that we see that it was not Snow, but a girl from the club (where all the girls wear ribbons around their necks), I think that the theory is stronger than ever.
All the girls in the club wear ribbons around their necks. This could be some kind of spell that is put on the girls. They are decapitated, and the magic ribbons are put around their necks, which would discourage them from leaving. Maybe Faith tried to leave, so they took her ribbon off.
This idea of magic would also compliment the idea that they can't speak about certain things because of some sort of magic ("My lips are sealed"). This is supported by the girl that Wolf sees in the club who can't physically talk about anything (Just says "my lips are sealed"), but gives him clues by giving him a key to the hotel room next door. Maybe Faith wasn't trying to change topics when she was talking to Wolf and mentioned the ribbon. Maybe it was a cry for help, "Hey, I can't talk about it because there is a spell over me, also like with this ribbon."
My theory keeps developing as more clues are revealed. The girl with the ribbon story doesn't mention a "bad guy" however, so I have no theory about who that might be. Also, I wonder when Beauty is going to show up again.
Somebody did mention the girl with the ribbon on her neck theory in an old thread (might of even been you, I can't remember)
Do you think there's any significance to the way faiths ribbon was stuck into her mouth with her family crest ring attached to it? Maybe to send a message from her pimp to threaten other girls as to what would happen if they came back without full payment, as faith seemed worried about.
While maybe Lily's murder was unconnected which is why the ribbon had not been put in her mouth afterwards?
I get the feeling that the pimp isn't the big cahoona in charge, but I do think that the ribbon in Faith's mouth might have been sending a message. With the evidence that Lily and Faith knew each other, maybe they were working together (maybe with some other girls) to try and figure a way to break the spells on them and the ribbon with the ring was a message to anyone involved not to mess with them (maybe someone at the police station is involved?). This would mean that the murder of the two of them are connected in some way.
I haven't thought of what significance the ring would have, and the story of the ribbon girl is very short with no mention of the ribbon being put in her mouth. Maybe the ribbon was put in her mouth (nowhere else to keep it with the head) so that her head could be attached to her body again eventually. Maybe they just need to be connected to their bodies to be rejuvenated. But then why wasn't Lily's ribbon with her? Was it in her hand? I didn't get to see what was in her hand.
I'm actually expecting Faith to make a comeback. And maybe it really was only about payment to the pimp, but I feel like it is something bigger and more sinister than that. Sorry there are so many maybes!
Since the ring has a family crest on it, maybe someone at the police station (or some other character) is a family member? That's a wild guess though!
It was flowers from the room 207 bed in Lily's hand.
And I know what you mean about so many maybes
I think you might like this topic, it focuses on Ichabod Crane as being the killer but with a little twist.
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/58360/major-spoilers-the-curious-case-of-ichabod-crane
I have this weird feeling that, if the ribbons on all of the prostitutes' necks were to be unravelled their heads will fall off. (please ignore me)
I really don´t get why people think that the ribbon is the killing mechanism. Isn´t that like the most anticlimactic thing ever?
We are trying to guess who the killer is and what his motivation is. If in the end it´s just "well they didn´t behave that´s why they died" is just way too unsatisfying! I don´t even think the killer has even anything to do with the ribbons.
I just think that it might be a factor in the story since it has so many similarities with the folktale, and since it hasn't been disproven yet. *shrug