Do you think Carver was the man on the walkie talkie in 400 Days?
I think it could be. I mean, he obviously wasn't the same voice actor, but that could be because the hadn't casted Michael yet. But, Bonnie is the one that goes with the woman at the end either way (IIRC). Probably because they needed her as a member of his group for this episode.
Thoughts?
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Maybe he was the leader of the community before Carver's rise to power. Kind of like Woodburry, The Governor wasn't called that when he first arrived.
I was thinking about this too. I remember in 400 days the guy on the walkie talkie said to Tavia to "try not to force them into anything" and in the preview for S2E3 Carver says that "those who choose not to accept our love, will surely wish that they had"... It sounds kinda similar to me
No barring any last minute retcons it just doesnt make sense
what
You do realise you derived "we WILL force you" from "try NOT to force" right? Come on you're trying too hard to see white on black.
Didn't Johnny have the same voice actor as the man on the talkie? That means Johnny could have been the man Tavia was talking to.
It makes plenty of sense. Member of group that Tavia recruits shows up working for Carver? The man on the walkie may not be Carver exactly, but it's certainly implied that both groups are the same.
So you're claiming that Luke and co are from the same group and dont recognise Bonnie?
I'd feel stupid if I were you too
Perhaps she was a new recruit who joined after they escaped. No need to be an a-hole.
So now you're saying that after joining Tavia it then took them 16 months to regroup with Carver? Come on...
How do you end up getting that sir
Maybe. Who knows. The world is a big place. They could have "got lucky," just like Kenny.
I don't think the matter of different VAs would apply anymore. In S1 E4, the voice on the radio was actually Roger Jackson, the voice of Chuck. But the stranger in episode 5 was voiced by Anthony Lam.
It wouldn't be a stretch to say that that the voice on the radio in 400 Days and Carver are the same person, even despite having different voice actors.
Once again the irrate neighbour puts a brake on the argument to ask redundant questions, stop derailing.
Its simple logic, the same logic that tells us that the fact these people lack any in their theories therefore lack any credibility
I dont like explaining this stuff because firstly you should be encouraged to find some common sense and secondly I dont want TTG realising that their player base are dumb cuz then they might dumb down their games.
Bonnie cant have just joined if she had joined Carvers group 400 days into the crisis, seeing as s2 takes place ages after 400 days and Lukes group had recently left
My gosh how does this just occur to you? Does 2+2 need explainig too?
Walter and Kenny were the two to see her initially, and when she shows back up, they are all being held hostage. I don't think that is the proper time to reminisce.
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I DONT THINK CARVER'S GROUP IS TAVIA'S GROUP, STILL THINK IN MY OPINION THAT HE IS WILLIAM STEVE CARVER, THE GUY RUSSELL TALKED ABOUT WITH NATE.
Funny, cuz he mentions the 7 that left
K0t0 don't be a dick. Also, Clem's group have been on the run for quite a while now, in comparison the 400 days survivours were taken in quite late.
the numer 7 thing and the type of person dat russell depicted fits carver perfectly, so if i am right, tavia's group cant be with carver
I am not from America but isn't Steve short for Steven? Then he should be William Steven Carver, if it is the same guy, or he hasn't changed his name.
Your argument doesn't make sense. Luke and his group are definitely from Carver's group. This is established fact. As mentioned above, Luke and Kenny saw her first and they would have no reason to recognize her. There was a good reason she rejected their offer to go inside (where there were people who would recognize her)
I am almost certain that it is the same group regardless of whether carver was on the walkie talkie or not. Carver isn't the only person who does anything in the group. It could have been any other member of the group on the walkie.
Or Steve was a name like he used while talking to clem, a fake name.. could be dat steve from russell story, i rewatched many times wat russ said
Well yeah. What I was referring to was that if it is his middle name like you suggested above, his full name should be William Steven Carver.
yeah i understand, i said it can be William Steven Carver, or Steve could be a fake name like George. Carver is very smart remember. Russ says: "There was seven of us. I didn't have any family there or nothing, there were all at my Gram's down at Statsboro. There was a dad who had a daughter 'bout my age (CARLOS AND SARAH). One guy said he used to be a cop but nobody really believed him(LUKE MAYBE?!), then a teacher and his wife(ALVIN AND REBECCA). Leader was this guy, Steve (CARVER?!). And he says Carver shoots guys and robs them, and Carver actually did that many times (ex: ROMAN). AND THE NUMBER 7 THING BOTH RUSS AND CARVER MENTION, BUT IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE ALWAYS 7 IN HIS GROUP, CUZ BAD THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
The cop can't be Luke cause he is an old friend of Nick (Luke probably traveled with Nick, Nick's mother and Pete). Other than that it could be possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
yeah maybe another guy, maybe george, who knows, its still a good theory that Steve may be Carver
He's right though. Simple logic and basic understanding of the timelines. Talia's group cannot be the same group as Carver's, and Bonnie cannot have been part of Carver's group until AFTER Luke and co split, which was not long ago at all. The events of 400 Days -> Season 2 are separated by over 400 days in and of itself.
That's some mighty flawed logic. First you say Luke is definitely from Carver's group, then you say Luke has no reason not to recognize a member of Carvers group? Bonnie is a new recruit from after the Luke-Carver split or else Luke would have recognized her immediately. Which means Talia's group can't be Carvers group, because then Bonnie has been part of that group for over 400 days since the end of the DLC and yet somehow Luke never once saw her? Nope, ain't happening.
Does it look like I'm trying to derail the argument
No I'm serious I'm asking you in what way am I trying to derail this argument
So why are you being a dick about it