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Tell us what you think!

EmilyEmily Telltale Alumni
edited May 2006 in General Chat
We have posted a survey to get customer feedback on various issues concerning Telltale's games. If you have a minute, please fill it out, so we can be sure to keep giving you what you want. :D

Click here for the survey!

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  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    Mission accomplished.
    Diduz (Italy)
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    nice survey.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited May 2006
    I thought the most interesting question was 'do you want games monthly 2-3 hours gameplay for $10, or 3-4 monthly 5-6 hours gameplay for $12.99 (paraphrasing slightly).

    Personally I think the 3-4 month option suits me best, not only financially but also in that each episode being twice as long gives more scope for storytelling (IMO).
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    Personally I think the 3-4 month option suits me best, not only financially but also in that each episode being twice as long gives more scope for storytelling (IMO).

    I agree, I think that the actual model (which Bone 2 represents) is the way to go. Shorter games would be too narrow in terms of story.
    Diduz (Italy)
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    I too think that the play time / price ratio question was the most interesting of the questions, and to me the most important one, because that's the exact reason, why I haven't purchased the games yet.

    When I remember the days of "Monkey Island", or "Day of the Tentacle"... those games cost me 40 bucks, and I had around 40 hours of pure gaming fun with them. A clear 1/1 ratio.

    That ratio would fit perfectly for episodic games... 5 to 6 hours of gaming... $ 5,99... bought! With a new episode getting released every 4 - 6 months this would be the absolute MUST BUY for me.
  • UdvarnokyUdvarnoky
    edited May 2006
    Haha yeah that would be great, but how is that going to happen? Six months of production and selling the game for six bucks? Besides which, I don't see how Monkey Island or Day of the Tentacle is 40 hours long.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited May 2006
    And is 40 bucks in 1993 worth the same as 40 bucks in 2006?
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    With figuring out the puzzles and havon all the dialogues you could easily fill 40 hours with each of those games... but all right, let's go for $10 per episode... am I too cheap here?

    It's just, playtime-wise they're still a little too short for the given price...

    I really don't want to sound cheap, and of course, it wouldn't hurt me to pay that amount, but that's the actual question in the survey, right?

    5 hours of game play (as in "Cow Race") = $ 9,99

    That'd be something I could get happy with.
  • UdvarnokyUdvarnoky
    edited May 2006
    I just don't think it's possible to make a game the size - and quality - of The Great Cow Race, sell it for $5.99 and be able to stay in business. So yes, in the nicest way possible I would say you're being cheap. $12.99 is perfectly reasonable Bone 2. And Monkey Island just isn't 40 hours, and no I'm not assuming you're using a walkthrough or are replaying the game (obviously). Bone has dialog trees to exhaust as well.
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    Mh... probably I was just too stupid finishing those games faster ;)

    Still, I think $12,99 is OK for having the thing boxed/cased (is there actually a verb to "case"?) and on CD... but for having it as a download-only game $10 seems appropriate to me. (although I guess I'll buy them for $12,99 now that I have to)

    Plus: I'm not cheap. :p

    Anybody from TellTale here to back me up? I guess not...

    EDIT: Now, thinking about it... I really DO come off cheap... and actually I should be supporting TellTale, now that they're developing these games so close to the actual customers (or "fans", to make it sound less marketing-oriented, which is in fact more appropriate). You might wonder if lightning has struck me, and actually, yes. So, I think getting the download-versions of these games is just the right thing to do. I can still do covers for the games myself (OR TellTale could actually offer covers for download :D ).

    I'm not cheap.
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    that was the most interesting question for me too.. I just wouldnt be purchasing a game every month.. I wouldnt wanna spend that money..but I find it hard to make time to play games..every 6 months is great..because even though out from boneville was a few hours of gameplay.. it still took me a few months to get through.. and you need atleast 3 hours to feel like you are playing a game... 1 hour for $6 just wouldn't work
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    I chose the 4-6 months option, though I wouldn't be be complaining if Telltale could get down closer to the 4 months end of the scale without compromising quality.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited May 2006
    Once Sam & Max is up and running, Bone is already coming out every 5 or so months, it'll only take one more franchise for us to have a steady (monthly-ish) stream of new chapters to play across the various franchises.
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    Ditto on the 4-6 month.

    Considering retail games are now approaching $60 I think I can afford to drop $13 2-4 times a year. I mean look at something like the latest Tomb Raider. That's 9hrs of gameplay, even on current gen consoles you're paying $50 for it. (it was a good if not spectacular game, silence all of you!)

    Oddly though the 9-10hr make is actually my 'sweet' spot for most non-episodic games. Any longer than that and my attention span completely drops off. Not usually because of lacking interest, but because something newer and shinier came out.

    Anyway, back on topic. If the games were any shorter it would just feel a little too... choppy gameplay wise. Considering how story driven these titles are you really need a couple of hours for proper character development and time to let the story move and build.

    TV shows do it in 20 minutes, but they do it 20 minutes every week. You only need to remember what happened the last episode for about 7 days.

    Even for hour long television, if you had an hour long show every 3 weeks I think they'd spend most of the time reminding you of what happened a few weeks ago and not enough time moving the plot forward.

    Plus we're talking about game development here. I'm sure the brevity and content allow them a little more leeway but content (and especially testing, I don't see Telltale having a gigantic QA dept) takes time.

    I'd totally be down for small cheap filler content between episodes though. Short half or one hour (or better, something more replayable / casual like) games that fleshed out certain characters or situations more. Nothing integral to the overall experience but a nice diversion that gets you thinking 'telltale' while you wait.
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    Okay, I bought Bone Act II for the sake of seeing what these episodic games were like. I've spent $13 on more useless things anyways so it didn't bother me.

    I'm sorry to say that I really thought this was a bit too short to be worth a purchase. Just have a look at for example the first Monkey Island. Where was about ten times the amount of gameplay in that game compared to this one. I'd say that the events of this game measured up to roughly doing all that is to be done in the town in Monkey Island. Then there'd be the other places on Melée Island and Monkey Island itself.

    I don't know if the production costs of games are so much higher than before or what is it, but I wished there was more content in Bone. And really the conversations in the game only had to do with the goal they had in mind. I found most of the conversations really uninteresting. I have a lot of faith in Sam & Max though - the concept of those comics and the characters give room for hilarious skits and interesting places & people to interact with.

    I guess the Bone world just is a bit too normal for me. And the episode seemed really confined as there was only really 3 different zones with two to three areas in each. I hope Sam & Max will use some kind of system like the road map in Hit The Road. Or maybe a Fallout kind of world map where all you could see was the map marker as they drive around. It wouldn't be graphically taxing and the duo could make some hilarious comments about some random not plot related spots. Or anything really, just to make the world a bit more engrossing.

    Oh and the caracters could move a tad faster, too.
  • Pvt._PublicPvt._Public
    edited May 2006
    While we're all rambling about episodic games, has anyone else noticed that other companies are now jumping on the episodic bandwagon? Not only are the new Sin games being released bit by bit, but the Half-Life 2 expansion is apparently going to be episodic now as well! I'm all for some games doing this but after a while it seems a little silly. Especially when the first epsiodes of HL2 is listed as being 49.95 NZ from a store which sells games cheaper than most!

    At least Telltale is slowly working out the kinks from their episodic system. But HL2 Aftermath has been in development for over a year now. It seems like companies are thinking they can pull full length games into little games and sell them every few months. This annoys me.

    Also, if the Sin games are being changed according to what the majority of players are doing every time they play each section (e.g. If the majority of players kill someone in the first section then the developers will make him dead in the next game for everyone), then won't those who play the game differently become quite confused when they find out the changes (to use the last example, they will get confused when they are told the character is dead. After all they didn't kill him). Or have they got some speical way of brainwashing people to forget past events and replace them with new memories?
  • Unknown
    edited May 2006
    While we're all rambling about episodic games, has anyone else noticed that other companies are now jumping on the episodic bandwagon? Not only are the new Sin games being released bit by bit, but the Half-Life 2 expansion is apparently going to be episodic now as well! I'm all for some games doing this but after a while it seems a little silly. Especially when the first epsiodes of HL2 is listed as being 49.95 NZ from a store which sells games cheaper than most!

    At least Telltale is slowly working out the kinks from their episodic system. But HL2 Aftermath has been in development for over a year now. It seems like companies are thinking they can pull full length games into little games and sell them every few months. This annoys me.

    Also, if the Sin games are being changed according to what the majority of players are doing every time they play each section (e.g. If the majority of players kill someone in the first section then the developers will make him dead in the next game for everyone), then won't those who play the game differently become quite confused when they find out the changes (to use the last example, they will get confused when they are told the character is dead. After all they didn't kill him). Or have they got some speical way of brainwashing people to forget past events and replace them with new memories?

    It's definitely cropping up more. Really its been thought about for years, because in a lot of ways it makes sense, but up until now the distrubution methods weren't quite 'there'. In a lot of ways they still aren't, but they're getting there.

    As games get more expensive to make you need to find ways to recoup the cost. Spending 25 million dollars on a 30 hr epic flop isn't an option.

    However spending 5 million dollars on one flop or success and successively better interations is a little more practical.

    Really the biggest cost associate with games (other than marketing) is your upfront cost. Building a team, building or liscensing an engine, building or liscensing content creation tools, exports, back end stuff.

    Its a lot to go through just to build one product. That's why expansion packs are good fodder. They require little to no programmer assistance and its just a bunch of new content being added to the game. That's why they're outsourced a lot of the time.

    Episodic content sort of builds on that but has the advantages of even quicker turn arounds which means more bang for your buck, plus the awsomeness of being able to tweak and change the game based on continual feedback.

    It also lets you slowly build brand recognition. If there's 3 games that are part of a series out there as opposed to just one, people feel more familiar with it, feel its more 'established' and are usually more comfortable buying it.

    "Oh 'x' I've heard of this, if they made a sequel the first one must have been decent' etc.

    We know thats not always true but its how most people work psychologically.

    The downside of course to episodic content with its lower prices and quicker turn arounds is that you start eating into your profits with retail chains taking higher percentages, charging more for product space essentially and having to deal with all the other costs associate with retail chains.

    There in lies the beauty of digital. Of course its dependent on the pesky broad band penetration among other factors so thats kinda why everythings starting to come together now.

    All that being said I'm not entirely sure FPS'es are the greatest candidate for Episodic Content. RPG's, Adventure games, and the like feel more a natural fit, but if something like 24 can work then I guess FPSes can too. They break down nicely with their level based approach.

    Really though for episodic content to work there has to be a story and good characters to drive it. There needs to be an over arching reason to keep coming back to the next interation. More levels just feels like a map pack or something. Which maybe if you didn't *call* it episodic and just said it was mini expansion packs then it would feel less awkward.

    HL and SIN are pretty story focused, so we'll see. I didn't know the Sin guys were chaning the story based on player actions. That's kind of interesting. Letting the community shape the fate of a game in an MMO like way.

    Sort of like a daytime soap meets american idol.

    "Susie should murder her husband" [] Yes [] No

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