If they killed **** during season 2...

edited March 2014 in The Walking Dead
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If they killed Kenny during season 2...

... My reaction would *not *be :
"Oh my goodness, the death of that character I liked fills me with emotion, and refuels my interest for this series."

It would be more something like :
"Fu** it, I'm outta here."

So Telltale... please don't go the Kirkman way by thinking killing popular characters is the good way to prevent stalling. It's just a lazy, short-term way to add drama when you're out of ideas.

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  • Whatever Telltale do, it will be the right decision! I mean, some people were pissed about Lee dying but in reality... that's what made the game so powerful and emotional!

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    I would be mad and upset as kenny is my homie :P but I would get over it after a while as long as it served the story and he went out with a bang

  • I see its being Kenny/Luke at the end as a choice.

    But really I feel killing anyone but Clem would be fine. Killing clem would make the entire series feel like a waste. In any series where the main dies its for some great reason. The walking dead always has a glimmer of hope its not pure depression

  • "I see its being Kenny/Luke at the end as a choice."
    Then it would mean the other would die soon after. From a game design perspective, they aren't going to keep two alternative scenarii forever - see Doug/Carley, except it would be even more difficult because Luke and Kenny are not background characters and have some effect on the plot.

    I see its being Kenny/Luke at the end as a choice. But really I feel killing anyone but Clem would be fine. Killing clem would make the e

  • I would actually not have a problem with it. Honestly, if any S1 chars besides Clem should survive, i think it's Christa. We've already had Kenny around for a long while and if he makes it into S3, he'll eventually get sort of boring.

  • There's no proof that there's a season 3 (as much as I want one) so they could end it determinant as they want. ALSO ONCE AGAIN we havnt seen how they are gonna handle determinant characters this season yet. Pete was already bit so he dont count

    Azurean posted: »

    "I see its being Kenny/Luke at the end as a choice." Then it would mean the other would die soon after. From a game design perspective, the

  • if?

    Don't you mean when?

    Face reason, there's a very high probability he isn't making it through this season.

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    I agree with you about Kirkman's cheap storytelling "shock tactics", but I'm willing to give Telltale the benefit of the doubt for now, as season 1 was so damn good.

    If there is a Kenny/Luke determinant choice at the end of episode 3, Telltale would have to work overtime to make the decision have legitimate impact on future episodes well beyond a Doug/Carley scenario. Turning both characters into peripheral alternates who are swiftly killed off in chapter 4 would be a flat-out boneheaded move.

    Either Telltale makes the conflict between Kenny and Luke a central focus throughout season 2, or they force the player into a determinant choice. But this time, it would be a choice where the surviving character should live to see the end of the season. Kenny or Luke would basically fill the same role in the narrative, but their approach to the circumstances would be radically different due to their distinct personalities.

    Now THAT'S a game with a shit-ton of replay value.

    Azurean posted: »

    "I see its being Kenny/Luke at the end as a choice." Then it would mean the other would die soon after. From a game design perspective, the

  • I dont think killing characters who live in a zombie apocalypse is a short-term way to add drama. Its realistic. And Kenny, really? He's who would make you give up on the series? We already thought he was dead before.

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    Christa seems to have a dedicated following of her own, which kind of mystifies me. There just isn't much to her character any more since Omid expired. While Kenny at least found a new relationship with Sarita and developed a "crazy uncle" vibe with Clementine, Christa is just a miserable hardass now.

    That's not to say I want Christa to be dead (hell, if Kenny could escape out of a building/alley thronging with zombies, Christa could dodge a bullet), but I'm just not sure where Telltale could take her from here.

    That1Guy posted: »

    I would actually not have a problem with it. Honestly, if any S1 chars besides Clem should survive, i think it's Christa. We've already had Kenny around for a long while and if he makes it into S3, he'll eventually get sort of boring.

  • She's a miserable hardass, true. But despite the death of Omid and the fact that Clementine is indirectly responsible, Christa still looks after her and teaches her how to survive (and I mean actually 'survive' and not just protect herself). Plus, if she's alive, who's to say something else (good or bad) hasn't happened in the meantime? It would be good how tie up the loose end, other way.

    Christa seems to have a dedicated following of her own, which kind of mystifies me. There just isn't much to her character any more since Om

  • Kenny has been kind of a death seeker since his family died off. I have no doubt that he we will take the bullet or distract the walkers to protect Clem or Sarita, if it comes to that. In other words, I fully expect him to buy the farm t some point this season. It will be sad, but it makes sense.

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    I dont know about her following but for me, I just want to make sure she's okay. After Omid, Im not happy with her just disappearing without a trace, plus she did take care of Clementine for almost two years even after Omid died. She kept her promise to Lee. As for where they could take her, I would love to find out.

    Christa seems to have a dedicated following of her own, which kind of mystifies me. There just isn't much to her character any more since Om

  • I know what you mean OP..

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  • I've said it before and I'll say it again; I really don't there is going to be a choice between Kenny and Luke... Kenny and Luke will probably end up at least tolerating each other, and I could be wrong but I don't think there's going to be a heart-tug choice where both are being attacked and you have to choose. It's not impossible, but I really just don't see it happening.

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    I agree with you about Kirkman's cheap storytelling "shock tactics", but I'm willing to give Telltale the benefit of the doubt for now, as s

  • Wow, it must be sad to be that illiterate. But like Lao-tzu said, "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."

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  • "There just isn't much to her character any more since Omid expired. While Kenny at least found a new relationship with Sarita and developed a "crazy uncle" vibe with Clementine, Christa is just a miserable hardass now."

    Well first, we only saw a few minutes of her after Omid died. There is a lot more to her character than those few minutes showed. It's downright silly to think otherwise.

    She is one of the character I think is the most interesting and telltale could really go in many directions with her. She obviously has ill will towards Clem, supported by the scene at the fire and the knowledge she killed Omid indirectly and perhaps her baby indirectly, but the fact is she still cared for her for 16 months. That is some heavily dedicated love (er, love is what I would call it).

    This deep seeded love/hate relationship Christa has could be one of the single most interesting and important and mind blowing scenarios in the game. So much love for a girl who practically ruined everything good you had going in your life.. I can't even imagine.

    Christa seems to have a dedicated following of her own, which kind of mystifies me. There just isn't much to her character any more since Om

  • I wauld be very sad if they do that :(

  • To be fair... I hope Kenny does die...

    Why he drove me nuts I hate him so much I would take Duck over Kenny. He just did so many stupid things to force the player down a certain path making it seem like you have a choice but you really don't.

  • Agreed, it seems like it would be a hugely lopsided choice. If you choose Luke only Sarita (if alive) will be angry. If you chose Kenny, Clem's relationship with the entire cabin group goes down the crapper. The reason the Carley/Doug choice in S1E1 worked so well is that everyone else was rather ambivalent about both of them. It's not like a bunch of people would spite you for letting one of them die. The decision was still painful because you interact with both of them throughout the episode.

    Sarangholic posted: »

    I've said it before and I'll say it again; I really don't there is going to be a choice between Kenny and Luke... Kenny and Luke will probab

  • What movie is that from? I think I recognize it but I'm not sure.

    Kartal5 posted: »

    I know what you mean OP..

  • Oh yeah, I cried like a bitch at the end. 10/10 game.

    Whatever Telltale do, it will be the right decision! I mean, some people were pissed about Lee dying but in reality... that's what made the game so powerful and emotional!

  • JenniferJennifer Moderator

    It's from Forrest Gump.

    Gobananas01 posted: »

    What movie is that from? I think I recognize it but I'm not sure.

  • Thanks, Jen. You're my hero! Alt text

    Jennifer posted: »

    It's from Forrest Gump.

  • Well first, we only saw a few minutes of her after Omid died. There is a lot more to her character than those few minutes showed. It's downright silly to think otherwise.

    Is it? Christa's whole life centred around Omid. With him dead, I don't see anything to suggest why Christa wouldn't become a complete machine afterwards (especially after the loss of her baby). Kenny found a way to keep going, even after Katjaa and Duck had checked out. Like he said in the suicide couple's bedroom, "you don't end it 'cause it's hard." We never heard that kind of dialogue from Christa, who behaved like a grim pragmatist for the most part. Only Omid was able to counteract that aspect of her personality, and with him gone...

    She is one of the character I think is the most interesting and telltale could really go in many directions with her. She obviously has ill will towards Clem, supported by the scene at the fire and the knowledge she killed Omid indirectly and perhaps her baby indirectly, but the fact is she still cared for her for 16 months. That is some heavily dedicated love (er, love is what I would call it).

    This deep seeded love/hate relationship Christa has could be one of the single most interesting and important and mind blowing scenarios in the game. So much love for a girl who practically ruined everything good you had going in your life.. I can't even imagine.

    There is no love. She kept protecting Clem partly out of her oath to Lee, and partly because - as I said - she's more machine than human now, dutifully fulfilling all the obligations of living and surviving with no sincere hope for a better tomorrow. This is the natural evolution of her character from season 1; whereas Lee provided Clem with the spiritual fortitude to cope internally as well as externally with her grim circumstances, Clem only supplied Clem with the means to keep the body alive. Without the former, Clem would become a shell like Christa.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    "There just isn't much to her character any more since Omid expired. While Kenny at least found a new relationship with Sarita and developed

  • I'd be depressed, might even shed a tear or two, but in the end I'd be glad.

    I like Kenny, he's one of my favorite characters, but he needs to die in Season 2 because they can't just drag his character around for "reasons". Having him around just because he's Kenny would ruin the character.

  • You don't see anything suggesting she isn't a complete machine? Like still caring for Clem for many, many months? You didn't get any dialogue options like with Kenny because, again, there wasn't time. They showed her as cold, yes, but there is never one single side to a character, at least a well written character. There was definitely more there, we just didn't get to see it. (More reason to dislike that horrible time skip). Kenny continued on, true. He found a way to keep pushing on, eventually rebuilding (slightly) with Sarita. And so did Christa, only she had Clem to keep her going. A much more important situation from our perspective as Clementine. I'm sorry of I come off as rude by saying this, but thinking that campfire scene was all that was left to Christa is downright silly.

    I wholeheartedly disagree. If she were a machine - like - person then an obligation would have little bearing on her choices. There has to be reason behind fulfilling an obligation, and "dutifully fulfilling all the obligations of living and surviving with no sincere hope for a better tomorrow," doesn't fit the bill. She was cold, I'll give you that. But an obligation alone can't sustain a person's drive. Even in today's world an obligation has little value if something of personal value is not on the line... money, love, pride. I guess I just don't believe that her sole drive could be a secret obligation she made to a now dead companion. And if your answer is obligation and self preservation, then those two directives are fundamentally contradictory.

    Well first, we only saw a few minutes of her after Omid died. There is a lot more to her character than those few minutes showed. It's downr

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    I like Kenny, he's one of my favorite characters, but he needs to die in Season 2 because they can't just drag his character around for "reasons". Having him around just because he's Kenny would ruin the character.

    I hardly think they're dragging Kenny around for "reasons" (whatever the heck that means). Kenny has his role to play in S2, we just don't know what it is yet.

    If Telltale HAS to knock off Kenny for good this season, I'm hoping they won't do it for the kind of "reasons" someone like Kirkman would approve of.

    Rock114 posted: »

    I'd be depressed, might even shed a tear or two, but in the end I'd be glad. I like Kenny, he's one of my favorite characters, but he nee

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    Kenny won't die in Season2. It's a scratch, he's not like the others. Jesus, all of you are just making it worse! What's the goddamn deal? He's a little differen't now, but he won't just die! You all have given up, on Kenny, on his godlike Mustache/beard , on everything!

  • It just doesn't seem like Kenny should have come back at all from the Ben scenario. It was the perfect ending for him, then suddenly he's back in the mix for Season 2. Why not end it where it made sense? And with such a prominent Season 1 character returning, I don't think the Season 2 characters will get as much focus as they deserve, especially with two of them now being determinant. Kenny was in every Episode of Season 1, with only Lee and Clem being more important to the story than he was. Whatever role they have for him to play in Season 2, he should play it, then make his exit. For good.

    I like Kenny, he's one of my favorite characters, but he needs to die in Season 2 because they can't just drag his character around for "rea

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    Yes you are right, Kenny surviving the alleyway scene seemed very unlikely and was a perfect ending for his character. So i do understand why some people are getting mad about his return in Season2.

    But the way Kenny's Season1 story ended in my playthough, him saving Christa's life, was set up perfectly for Kenny to survive and make a suprising return in Season2! So i am not mad at all about the fact that my Bro Kenny is back. I am super excited about it!

    Rock114 posted: »

    It just doesn't seem like Kenny should have come back at all from the Ben scenario. It was the perfect ending for him, then suddenly he's ba

  • He saved Christa in my game as well, which does set him up to come back pretty well. Plus, he really IS the only character that can link our Season 1 choices to Season 2 as he is the only character still alive other than Clem who was in all five Episodes. I just don't want him to get all the focus, as the only character in the entire series with more screentime than him is Clem by this point. I love having him back, but I don't think I'd want him around for the next Season.

    Yes you are right, Kenny surviving the alleyway scene seemed very unlikely and was a perfect ending for his character. So i do understand wh

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    " He really IS the only character that can link our Season 1 choices to Season 2 as he is the only character still alive other than Clem who was in all five Episodes. "

    Well, Lilly wasn't in all five episodes, but that bitch could have made the same impact. Even though i am happy that it isn't her!

    " I just don't want him to get all the focus, as the only character in the entire series with more screentime than him is Clem by this point. I love having him back, but I don't think I'd want him around for the next Season. "

    Well, Kenny is the most important character of the game, excluding Clem herself of course (and Lee because he's already dead). So it's only logical that he will have alot of screentime. Yes i agree, his story will need to end sometime and i want him to go down like the true hero he is! (in Season2)

    Rock114 posted: »

    He saved Christa in my game as well, which does set him up to come back pretty well. Plus, he really IS the only character that can link our

  • Kenny is the only one who can BECAUSE he was in all five Episodes. Lilly has no idea what happened once they got to Savannah. Conversely, Christa, if she were still around, has no idea what happened BEFORE Savannah. Kenny is the only one who was present for most of Lee's choices.

    Yes, Kenny is important and will need his share of time in the spotlight this Season, but he's already had plenty of it in Season 1. If/When he does die, it'll have to be at least as heroic as his "death" in No Time Left, because such an important character deserves a good end like that. Not something cheap like Omid got.

    " He really IS the only character that can link our Season 1 choices to Season 2 as he is the only character still alive other than Clem who

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    Fair enough... i have to agree with everything you said there!

    Rock114 posted: »

    Kenny is the only one who can BECAUSE he was in all five Episodes. Lilly has no idea what happened once they got to Savannah. Conversely, Ch

  • It just doesn't seem like Kenny should have come back at all from the Ben scenario. It was the perfect ending for him, then suddenly he's back in the mix for Season 2. Why not end it where it made sense?

    The sequence in the alley didn't make any sense to begin with. One scene earlier, Kenny was talking to Lee and co. about "sticking it out". But all of a sudden, he's Mr. Kamikaze.

    "Either I save the kid, or I get to see her?" What? Lee should have been allowed another dialogue option. Something along the lines of: "So I guess all that talk back in the bedroom about hanging in there was just you wagging your dick in the wind?"

    Rock114 posted: »

    It just doesn't seem like Kenny should have come back at all from the Ben scenario. It was the perfect ending for him, then suddenly he's ba

  • I think that Kenny will continue dying in each season, and then coming back in the next without any explanation.

  • I thought of it as him actually trying to save Ben's life. He was trying to help him, even though it was impossible. It was supposed to be his redemption, the moment where he thought of someone else before himself. That said, I do still prefer the Christa version.

    It just doesn't seem like Kenny should have come back at all from the Ben scenario. It was the perfect ending for him, then suddenly he's ba

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