She lost her dad and was shown to be a time bomb in EP3'S beginning. We got to see clear development of that situation and why she reacted that way.
I'd say I'm indeed somewhat biased, for the possible explanations on some characters (like Rebecca for instance, with the hormones and such) just can't seem to convince me otherwise that these are just 180º turns for the sake of making them likeable. We'll see just how well they handle development in the next three episodes.
You're just being biased. What do you mean "too fast"? I could easily say the same thing about season 1's characters, like Lilly pulling her pistol too damn fast on Carley when she's got nothing to go on to prove that Carley was in the wrong.
Speaking of contradicting yourself, you claimed that you still had respect for my opinions in an earlier post and then you later said said t… morehat you shouldn't have to show me respect if I didn't show you any. I think I had shown you plenty of respect before by gently reminding you that you were ignoring my points.
"he finally woke up and realized this simple truth : I've made the valid points here."
Because no words could describe how illogical that statement was. I never stated anywhere in my last post that any of your points are valid...
Sigh. Whatever. Just call me whatever you want and think yourself right. If you can't step back and see the flaws in your arguing, then there's really no point in continuing this, is there...?
Surprise surprise ! He now wants to continue this argument because he finally woke up and realized this simple truth : I've made the valid p… moreoints here.
You calmed down already ? No jokes ?
You've called me a kid numerous times but you certainly did enough to take that nickname away from me.
Im saying, If you wanna continue the initial argument sure. But what's the point of staying here all night insulting each other ?
Do you really enjoy when people tell you your jokes suck ?
She lost her dad and was shown to be a time bomb in EP3'S beginning. We got to see clear development of that situation and why she reacted t… morehat way.
I'd say I'm indeed somewhat biased, for the possible explanations on some characters (like Rebecca for instance, with the hormones and such) just can't seem to convince me otherwise that these are just 180º turns for the sake of making them likeable. We'll see just how well they handle development in the next three episodes.
Careful now, He's using unfunny images as some sort of defensive mechanism. Is this reslly how you eant to end this ? I expected mire from you.
Whatever, I have to go to sleep mate I gotta work tomorrow.. Shit a 7 years old kid has a job ????
Good night man. I hope you learn something from this you can't just go around the forum making lame jokes and going all out on people who call you out for it.
"he finally woke up and realized this simple truth : I've made the valid points here."
Because no words could describe how illog… moreical that statement was. I never stated anywhere in my last post that any of your points are valid...
Sigh. Whatever. Just call me whatever you want and think yourself right. If you can't step back and see the flaws in your arguing, then there's really no point in continuing this, is there...?
Learn what? That you're a coward who stash away logic so you could make insults about me? Like I said, say whatever you want, thumb me down if you want you pieces of trash, the proof is everywhere that he's deliberately ignoring the validity of my points.
Careful now, He's using unfunny images as some sort of defensive mechanism. Is this reslly how you eant to end this ? I expected mire from y… moreou.
Whatever, I have to go to sleep mate I gotta work tomorrow.. Shit a 7 years old kid has a job ????
Good night man. I hope you learn something from this you can't just go around the forum making lame jokes and going all out on people who call you out for it.
Still, I certainly got to know more about her than I did with Duck in two episodes.
Certainly, but Duck wasn't made out to be such a strong plot point previously, only on a case basis, like the Shawn/Duck choice and of course the Loyalty/Larry choice. Sarah and her dad, however, seemed to be an important part of the trust and gowning up themes that Telltale is implementing with Clementine's story.
Still, I certainly got to know more about her than I did with Duck in two episodes. She has psychological issues as far as I can tell from what Carlos said about her special needs. I'd know because I have similar anxiety issues myself.
Still, I certainly got to know more about her than I did with Duck in two episodes.
Certainly, but Duck wasn't made out to be such a… more strong plot point previously, only on a case basis, like the Shawn/Duck choice and of course the Loyalty/Larry choice. Sarah and her dad, however, seemed to be an important part of the trust and gowning up themes that Telltale is implementing with Clementine's story.
Cheer up, man. You do a good job at defending your opinion. Besides, a little jokin' never killed nobody, except for maybe some folks in Gotham City, but eh...
OminousFlare finally showed his true colors, He called everyone a piece of trash because they downvoted his comments..... Who would really think Im thd kid here ?
That nice guy act you had going there had to fail at some point, As expected, it did.
Im now going to bed even happier, You are sooo angry that you snapped at everyone for being disliked. You should tell your mom about these mood swings Rebecca ain't got nothing on you.
Learn what? That you're a coward who stash away logic so you could make insults about me? Like I said, say whatever you want, thumb me down … moreif you want you pieces of trash, the proof is everywhere that he's deliberately ignoring the validity of my points.
Well there are, as I said, a dozen more approaches you could take, but we're getting almost none of it; be it the interpretation I made or anything else, except for that one scene in Ep2.
Besides, the tone of the cabin scene does seem to somewhat prove my interpretation. There are various ways you can approach Sarah. You can lie to her, tell her the truth, and a variation of that scene even mirrors a pretty pivotal Lee/Clem moment with the gun...
Well Season 2 only has two episode so far, so it can't really be judge yet. Season 1 is better, but A House Divided is the greatest episode in the series (IMO).
Its mainly because S1 was more original and it was new. Yes, S1 has had a bigger impact on me then S2 but S2 is still a amazing and enjoyabl… moree game. Plus, u cant really judge S2 yet because not all the episodes are out yet. S1 episodes 3-5 were very good so maybe S2 will be. Also S2 Ep 3 looks very promising.
Clementine hasn't lost her hope. I'm sure she hold some of it still. Plus even if she hasn't, she's lived in the ZA for two years now, that would be expected from most people. She's more optimistic than I was even expecting.
Before I start make a point telltale needed 300,000 sales to break even and sold over 21 million so with such small budget made something un… morebelievable so question would nearly be with such potential bigger budget is it hundred times better simple answer is no s1 is better
Gameplay
Was much better hub areas every section, puzzles and bit of shooting felt in full control of everything loved the decisions to not liner
Characters
Even from first episode connected with s1 cast much more in fact if any of s2 cast got killed feel wouldn't have as big impact as s1
Story
love story of redemption for Lee escaped murderer comes across an innocent little girl and goes all lengths to protect her even sacrificing his own life such a badass and beautiful story. Slow building such dark themes and small moments of happiness lost in negative depressive s2 the lost of hope in Clem really disappointed me
Better written:
Carlos a Doctor? U… [view original content]
I think people who like Season 1 more can't just accept anything new, I mean at first I was really not-so-excited about Season 2 because I loved the first season's character's and didn't want to leave them to history books. Its like, if you have to move to another city and you don't like it first because you don't know anyone, but eventually you start to know people and everything starts to be fine. Just a symbol though ps. (live in Finland and the symbol can mean a lot of things but hey google translate said so so it means what I mean XD)
I prefer the gameplay of Season One no doubt about that, hubworlds are simply cooler way of handling things. One thing I am enjoying from Season Two though is the more beefier QTEs. I mean that in the sense that they're more satisfying to pull off (like biting Winston's thumb or killing the Walker in the shed) the arrows now used for dodging (which The Wolf Among Us started using too) work well for Clementine too since she's only a child and needs to rely more on hiding and running.
But Season Two feels more intense to me. Knowing that things are riskier now than ever before since you're playing as an eleven year old girl.
The cast? Well that's a tricky one for me. Since you had a good share of characters in Season One's group that you liked and a share of the characters you don't like. Season Two done something different by doing a terrible first impression on all of them but later finding out that as a whole, the group is much friendlier and less hostile than the group from Season One. Nick and Rebecca are good examples of characters that I had a rather dislike for in the first Episode, (especially Rebecca) but now have come to like them both in the second episode. But I'm still not that fond of Carlos. Simply because of how idiotic he is; "How big is it?" and the obvious one of not knowing how to turn of a windmill but when Clem does it he has no objections and fully trustsn her into doing the task.
And finally, after Episode 2, I have a good idea on where Season Two is going to go from here and I think at the end, I'll like it just as much as Season One when the season's complete. I hope I do anyway, if they episodes stay in the same quality as A House Divided I'm sure things will be fine.
Am I the only one who feels wayyyyy more attached to the Season 2 cast than S1?
I mean, S1 cast was great, but I never cared so much for … morethem (excluding Carley, Kenny, Lee and Clem), but now, with S2, I care for almost all characters, and I want to see most of them alive at the end of the Season.
Look, I just arrived here in this forum and I don't want to leave things the way they are here. I thought a lot about our argument last night, and the way I see it, it was really just a case of miscommunication turned ugly. Here's what really happened:
You repetitively stated that our conversation was a debate, but you weren't addressing some of the points I was making
So I thought I'd remind you that "Hey, since you said that this was a debate, maybe you could not ignore the points I was making about Season 1's characters?" Not my exact words, not verbatim, I know, but that was what I was trying to say when I called you out as 'dodging'. My bad. That was a fault on my part, so I apologize. I mean, you gotta admit, I wrote a lot of stuff in my bulletpoint lists but your replies were decreasing in length, so I was kinda confused.
And then, you wrote "Booya," which I found to be a little annoying because I was just trying to have a conversation without acting like we're competing or anything. This is where I made a really big mistake by calling you "a stupid kid." Honestly speaking, I wasn't really thinking when I wrote that; it just came out like that. I just thought that competing like that was kinda childish, that was all. But yeah, I shouldn't have called you that, so again, my bad.
After that, you thought I was joking about calling you out as "dodging," which is understandable because I wrote it like this, "You're still dodging my other points btw, debater. :P" with my tongue sticked out too. Technically, I was half-joking when I wrote that. Like I said in my earlier pointer above, I was serious in that you were not addressing some of the points I was making. However, at the same time, I was also kinda joking, hence why I had the tongue emoticon placed there to show my non-seriousness. I mean, I didn't even want to debate before our argument started, so I would obviously not really care that much if you were ignoring my points or not. The 'dodging' statement was meant to be taken as a joke, even though it had some truth to it in that you were ignoring my points. That's what I meant when I said that it was factual. But again, I should have made that clearer, so it's a mistake on my part.
That's when you were confused about me switching my opinions on things, because what initially looked like a joke, I went on and say that it was "factual," so that got confusing for you, I get it.
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And the rest is history as we know it. That's when our miscommunication got out of hand and we started accusing each other of stuff. It became a real ego trip and that never ended up well on the Internet.
Look, if you want, we could discuss more about this like two mature adults through a private conversation. This thread isn't really the place for talking about something like this. I've opened up a private message window for you in you feel like talking: http://www.telltalegames.com/community/messages/1314
If not, then it's cool with me too. I just wanted to explain myself instead of just leaving it in such a sore spot.
Hey everyone !
OminousFlare finally showed his true colors, He called everyone a piece of trash because they downvoted his comments..... … moreWho would really think Im thd kid here ?
That nice guy act you had going there had to fail at some point, As expected, it did.
Im now going to bed even happier, You are sooo angry that you snapped at everyone for being disliked. You should tell your mom about these mood swings Rebecca ain't got nothing on you.
Clementine hasn't lost her hope. I'm sure she hold some of it still. Plus even if she hasn't, she's lived in the ZA for two years now, that would be expected from most people. She's more optimistic than I was even expecting.
To be honest I'm not invested in to the conversation enough to divulged my opposing interpretation of the argument (and they are definitely opposing, I don't believe at all that characters have personality definition close to season 1s characters (directly or indirectly) but I would like to throw this out there, because science is amazing and your comment sparked the memory of this video. ..
A scientific thesis, for example, is mostly based on 'assumptions.' But if it makes enough sense and is plausible enough, it's treated as believable.
You're implying that he has a manipulative side. That's also an assumption, just so you know. A normal person in his shoes could also possib… morely request for help but retain the distrust, maybe saying something like, "Look, just make sure she don't get into trouble, but don't do anything stupid with her." I know I'd treat a kid as stupid if I didn't know her any better. I don't like kids.
Well, multiple views is one thing, but logical deduction is another. A scientific thesis, for example, is mostly based on 'assumptions.' But if it makes enough sense and is plausible enough, it's treated as believable. There has to be a certain degree of assumption when it comes to finding out the truth. And besides, I wasn't really assuming - I was actually basing my theories on what I know so far of Carlos' character in the two episodes we've seen, which is a lot (of things known).
And again, I would like to refer back to my point about the main compani… [view original content]
I can't really compare them both until I've played the whole of S2, but so far S2 has a better story and setting, but the characters were better in S1.
I'd rather make this decision when S2 is finished, as it doesn't feel fair to compare an unfinished product to a complete one. I think that S2 is off to a great start, and if the later episodes keep up this level of quality, then I have no doubt that S2 will be just as good, if not better, than S1. Fingers crossed.
Alright, I liked @Markd4547 's division, so I'm using that.
Gameplay: A tricky one. What is considered the gameplay of a Telltale title?… more Is it the amount of hubs, puzzles or free walking segments? Is it the choices and conversations? Is it the shooting and QTE sections? It's all of that, I say.
My stance on the first category is still strong. I do think hub areas were an important part of the experience back in S1 as tools for character interaction, development, pacing, world "exploring" and appreciation of the environments. There is more, but that's a wall of text for another day. Puzzles are nice to have IMO, but I can do without those. IF you're going to have a puzzle, have it fit the situation or abstain from putting it in; you already embarrassed the cabin group enough with that turbine scene .
The action segments are presented better this time around, I think, and the only shooting segment we've had was well done; you could mi… [view original content]
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She lost her dad and was shown to be a time bomb in EP3'S beginning. We got to see clear development of that situation and why she reacted that way.
I'd say I'm indeed somewhat biased, for the possible explanations on some characters (like Rebecca for instance, with the hormones and such) just can't seem to convince me otherwise that these are just 180º turns for the sake of making them likeable. We'll see just how well they handle development in the next three episodes.
I repect your opinion on the argument, The one related to the game remember ?
I don't respect anything you've said in your last few posts though.
Any questions ?
Because no words could describe how illogical that statement was. I never stated anywhere in my last post that any of your points are valid...
Sigh. Whatever. Just call me whatever you want and think yourself right. If you can't step back and see the flaws in your arguing, then there's really no point in continuing this, is there...?
Well, being a pregnant mother who's stuck in an affair with a guy like Carver ain't exactly an easy thing to swallow...
Careful now, He's using unfunny images as some sort of defensive mechanism. Is this reslly how you eant to end this ? I expected mire from you.
Whatever, I have to go to sleep mate I gotta work tomorrow.. Shit a 7 years old kid has a job ????
Good night man. I hope you learn something from this you can't just go around the forum making lame jokes and going all out on people who call you out for it.
No pun intended?
Learn what? That you're a coward who stash away logic so you could make insults about me? Like I said, say whatever you want, thumb me down if you want you pieces of trash, the proof is everywhere that he's deliberately ignoring the validity of my points.
Certainly, but Duck wasn't made out to be such a strong plot point previously, only on a case basis, like the Shawn/Duck choice and of course the Loyalty/Larry choice. Sarah and her dad, however, seemed to be an important part of the trust and gowning up themes that Telltale is implementing with Clementine's story.
After what I went through with Saltlick over there, do you think I'm in the mood for jokes?
Connecting that theme with Sarah/Carlos is kinda presumptuous, don't you think? I mean, I could see the connection but...
Cheer up, man. You do a good job at defending your opinion. Besides, a little jokin' never killed nobody, except for maybe some folks in Gotham City, but eh...
Hey everyone !
OminousFlare finally showed his true colors, He called everyone a piece of trash because they downvoted his comments..... Who would really think Im thd kid here ?
That nice guy act you had going there had to fail at some point, As expected, it did.
Im now going to bed even happier, You are sooo angry that you snapped at everyone for being disliked. You should tell your mom about these mood swings Rebecca ain't got nothing on you.
Well there are, as I said, a dozen more approaches you could take, but we're getting almost none of it; be it the interpretation I made or anything else, except for that one scene in Ep2.
Besides, the tone of the cabin scene does seem to somewhat prove my interpretation. There are various ways you can approach Sarah. You can lie to her, tell her the truth, and a variation of that scene even mirrors a pretty pivotal Lee/Clem moment with the gun...
Well Season 2 only has two episode so far, so it can't really be judge yet. Season 1 is better, but A House Divided is the greatest episode in the series (IMO).
You just read my mind
Clementine hasn't lost her hope. I'm sure she hold some of it still. Plus even if she hasn't, she's lived in the ZA for two years now, that would be expected from most people. She's more optimistic than I was even expecting.
I think people who like Season 1 more can't just accept anything new, I mean at first I was really not-so-excited about Season 2 because I loved the first season's character's and didn't want to leave them to history books. Its like, if you have to move to another city and you don't like it first because you don't know anyone, but eventually you start to know people and everything starts to be fine. Just a symbol though
ps. (live in Finland and the symbol can mean a lot of things but hey google translate said so so it means what I mean XD)
There's no such thing as "Better writers" They're called TELLTALE all their writers are great.
I prefer the gameplay of Season One no doubt about that, hubworlds are simply cooler way of handling things. One thing I am enjoying from Season Two though is the more beefier QTEs. I mean that in the sense that they're more satisfying to pull off (like biting Winston's thumb or killing the Walker in the shed) the arrows now used for dodging (which The Wolf Among Us started using too) work well for Clementine too since she's only a child and needs to rely more on hiding and running.
But Season Two feels more intense to me. Knowing that things are riskier now than ever before since you're playing as an eleven year old girl.
The cast? Well that's a tricky one for me. Since you had a good share of characters in Season One's group that you liked and a share of the characters you don't like. Season Two done something different by doing a terrible first impression on all of them but later finding out that as a whole, the group is much friendlier and less hostile than the group from Season One. Nick and Rebecca are good examples of characters that I had a rather dislike for in the first Episode, (especially Rebecca) but now have come to like them both in the second episode. But I'm still not that fond of Carlos. Simply because of how idiotic he is; "How big is it?" and the obvious one of not knowing how to turn of a windmill but when Clem does it he has no objections and fully trustsn her into doing the task.
And finally, after Episode 2, I have a good idea on where Season Two is going to go from here and I think at the end, I'll like it just as much as Season One when the season's complete. I hope I do anyway, if they episodes stay in the same quality as A House Divided I'm sure things will be fine.
No you're not, I like the characters too. I think people just have a rough time liking them after their first impression.
Look, I just arrived here in this forum and I don't want to leave things the way they are here. I thought a lot about our argument last night, and the way I see it, it was really just a case of miscommunication turned ugly. Here's what really happened:
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And the rest is history as we know it. That's when our miscommunication got out of hand and we started accusing each other of stuff. It became a real ego trip and that never ended up well on the Internet.
Look, if you want, we could discuss more about this like two mature adults through a private conversation. This thread isn't really the place for talking about something like this. I've opened up a private message window for you in you feel like talking:
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/messages/1314
If not, then it's cool with me too. I just wanted to explain myself instead of just leaving it in such a sore spot.
Agree in a way but from more mental standpoint miss brief moments of happiness and little jokes of S1 instead constant depressive feel
To be honest I'm not invested in to the conversation enough to divulged my opposing interpretation of the argument (and they are definitely opposing, I don't believe at all that characters have personality definition close to season 1s characters (directly or indirectly) but I would like to throw this out there, because science is amazing and your comment sparked the memory of this video. ..
Long live science! Enjoy
I can't really compare them both until I've played the whole of S2, but so far S2 has a better story and setting, but the characters were better in S1.
Sadly thats what happens when new writers come in. Don't get me wrong, i still think S2 by the end will ne equally as good as S1!
I'd rather make this decision when S2 is finished, as it doesn't feel fair to compare an unfinished product to a complete one. I think that S2 is off to a great start, and if the later episodes keep up this level of quality, then I have no doubt that S2 will be just as good, if not better, than S1. Fingers crossed.
Just seen this now thanks for the mention took all my divisions and made better post agree with all your points such depth just great thumb for you
Thanks, man, means a lot.