*** killed by mistake?

We learn, either in episode 2 (if we chose to arrest Woody) or in episode 3 (after Gren tells Bigby in the Trip Trap) that Woody was screwing with Lilly. Those of you who have interrogated Woody, will probably remember him saying that Lilly was his regular and that when Faith showed up he got pissed and hit her (in the beggining of the game) because she wouldn't let him go without paying a full price for the service, which was something Lilly was willing to do.
You may also remember that before you go to Nerissa if you investigate Lilly's things on shelf in episode 2, there's a note from Lilly to Faith that reads "thank you for covering me last night".

So, it seems to me that Lilly was the real target and whoever killed Faith thought it was Lilly at the time.

Comments

  • It was Lily, Holly's a Trip Trap bar owner, her sister.

  • Fixed it. It's rather late and I got names mixed up.

  • edited April 2014

    Why would the killer go after Lily without knowing what she looks like? You might say everyone has their own unique glamour, and thus their own personal look, so that person in the photo with Faith, Nerissa and Dee/Dum is what Lily looks like glamoured.

    This may also explain the "stop laughing at me" bit because of the mix up.

    I admit, there's a possiblity you're right.

  • edited April 2014

    Well, the glamour's at play, so it's possible she looked like Faith on some occasions, maybe when she was covering for Faith, and also it was night, the killer would not necessarily see her face if murder took place in a dark alley.
    Though I just realized - was Lily killed after Faith or before? She was being missing for some time before the body was found.

  • That indeed is a good question. Crane had the room rented at the Open Arms, and the lock was changed to keep people out, so the body may have been there a while, though I think Bigby mentions that the blood was about a day old if I recall correctly, though I'm not sure about that. If that's the case, it places Lily's murder around the same time as Faith's.

    When Bigby comes back from the Tenement building and naps, he wakes up to Snow knocking at his door and this is around the time we see the red-haired guy and Gren in line to see Crane about thier own issues, so I suspect Gren is there on Holly's behalf about finding Lily, and Crane didn't want to do anything about it (for reasons we now know as well as the fact that missing persons aren't usually investigated until they haven't shown up for 24 hours or so). We still don't know how long Lily was dead before she was thrown into the river, but I'm hoping a timeline of the murders will be worked out soon enough.

    Well, the glamour's at play, so it's possible she looked like Faith on some occasions, maybe when she was covering for Faith, and also it wa

  • edited April 2014

    I think you may be right, it seems to be around the same time. I'll have to check it out.

    I also hope we'll get a timeline worked out soon, we already should have, it actually quite surprised me to see how rarely Bigby contemplates and makes connections in the game. He is supposed to be a great detective, but on few occasions I found myself doing a better job on connecting things than Bigby did.

    The only moment when I actually felt that he was doing a detective job was at Toads place, it was a great part of the game and I was impressed by the way his skills were shown. I hope Telltale will show him actually connecting the informations and evidence gathered throughout the game in the next episode.

    Katalept posted: »

    That indeed is a good question. Crane had the room rented at the Open Arms, and the lock was changed to keep people out, so the body may hav

  • edited April 2014

    I too hope he'll do more connecting of the information like at Toad's, but it might be pretty complex and require a well thought out argument against someone. On the other hand, I don't want it to come to a point where the killer is caught with all sorts of concrete evidence and no further consideration needs to be given to determine his guilt, because that'll just make the game feel kind of cheap. I actually really enjoyed being able to point out the inconsistencies, so with any luck they'll keep that element of thought-provoking fun.

    And I actually have a small timeline worked out based on the indications given whenever you travel to a different place in game, but unfortunately there's a "Witching Cloak" in existence that enables people to teleport, so that's annoying.

    I think you may be right, it seems to be around the same time. I'll have to check it out. I also hope we'll get a timeline worked out soo

  • So many more questions than answers at this point. That's why I love the wolf among us.

  • You're forgetting Faith had a "compromising photo" of Crane with Lily that made its way to 207

  • edited April 2014

    Yeah, the whole thing with Lily's gone missing for quite some time is puzzling to me. If she was indeed missing how could she wrote the note addressed to Faith? Maybe it wasn't written by her? Or maybe for some reason she was hiding from her friends? Anyways, we don't know how old that note actually is, it might have been written on the night of Faith's murder and referred to her visit at the Woodsman's place. This seems like the most probable solution. But it could have been written before. After all Faith supposedly stole a compromising photo from Crane, so maybe that was "the cover up" mentioned in the note? Without working out an adequate timeline we are pretty much still left in the dark. Hope that the guys from TTG can come up with a logical solution to this mystery, because for now I sure as hell cannot :)

    Katalept posted: »

    That indeed is a good question. Crane had the room rented at the Open Arms, and the lock was changed to keep people out, so the body may hav

  • Well, Lilly was a troll, so obviously she was wearing glamour for her job, and as of yet, it seems she used many instead of one. It's quite possible the killer mistook Faith as Lilly's glamour and chopped her head. But why would the head be placed in front of the apartment and Lilly's body was dumped ... That's the only thing not making sense to this theory.

    Katalept posted: »

    Why would the killer go after Lily without knowing what she looks like? You might say everyone has their own unique glamour, and thus their

  • You're assuming that the photo Bigby found is the 'compromising photo' the Tweedles were talking about. There could be a different one that's similar in context to the one left in 207.

    Ascari posted: »

    You're forgetting Faith had a "compromising photo" of Crane with Lily that made its way to 207

  • edited April 2014

    Exactly. There could be another photo, actually more I think of it, the one with Crane begins to seem more like a red herring. And yet another inconsistency... I assumed that the letter referred to the fact that Faith was going to Woody in the beginning of the game, but as ThePrinceMyszkin ponted out, she was obviously already missing at that point.

    Now I actually doubt that she was missing for just one day, because Holly said that she and Lily weren't that close, so if you're not close to someone, you're not going to be in contact with that person on everyday basis, wouldn't you?
    No, Lily seemed to be missing for quite some time before her body was found.

    As for severed head... am I mistaken or was it originally intended to be the serial killer who kills these women? In preview of episode 2, I remember Crane reacting to something Bigby says about a serial killer. Did Telltale decide to change this, or was that simply an option to say which I missed when playing?

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