Agreed, Ehh ya that I was pretty risky I admit that and trying to save Larry lol.
You do have a point stuff like that would get me or someone around me killed.
If I did let them live and got away without consequence it would of assured to everyone: people in the the group, and the st. johns that you can still survive with your humanity. An even bigger problem that some but not all of the characters realize in the walking dead series is that hope lies in humanity. The only thing people should worry about is grouping up and fighting walkers not each other.
I wouldn't say you wouldn't last long in the apocalypse because you don't want to kill Carver. I say that because "No matter how bad to me a… morell life matters." The St Johns are a good example. Andy could have scrapped himself up, hunted you down, and shot you in the face. Pre-self-defense-self-defense is the hard to do but necessary actions which, by negating, would get you killed.
Agreed.
Agreed.
I doubt they will make it exactly the same also, that's just the situation I thought we were going with in this hypothetical. Though leaving him for the walkers doesn't mean he would die ( just like in the St Johns scenario)
Very true. It's just hard to find the balance between pragmatism and morality that will allow survival without transforming you into a monster. It's a damn fine line. And killing Carver/the St Johns is neither here nor there when weighing survivability with morality. If they come back and kill you and everyone else who are trying to hold onto their morality then what have you accomplished? What reason was there to sustain your morals when you're dead?
Agreed, Ehh ya that I was pretty risky I admit that and trying to save Larry lol.
You do have a point stuff like that would get me or som… moreeone around me killed.
If I did let them live and got away without consequence it would of assured to everyone: people in the the group, and the st. johns that you can still survive with your humanity. An even bigger problem that some but not all of the characters realize in the walking dead series is that hope lies in humanity. The only thing people should worry about is grouping up and fighting walkers not each other.
What if it's a Governor type situation? You have the chance to mutilate him (as Michonne did to the Governor) or you leave him. And then he comes back worse than ever. I don't think Carver will be taken down in episode 3 yet, but if we get the chance to kill him, I probably will.
If they come back and kill you and everyone else who are trying to hold onto their morality then what have you accomplished? What reason was there to sustain your morals when you're dead?
But overall they didnt come after and kill everyone because the fact is they couldn't.
There's no way after the beat down the one st. John's brother received dazed and near concussion and the other brother being caught in a bear trap that the St john's would of regrouped and gathered the strength to chase after Lee and the others with walkers closing in. They were already incapacitated and set to their own fate.
Ill stand foot in mouth if they recovered but Im pretty sure they were screwed.
Why would you up and just kill the St. Johns in front of the kids and everyone when you didnt have to? He could Hardly even stand.
Very true. It's just hard to find the balance between pragmatism and morality that will allow survival without transforming you into a monst… moreer. It's a damn fine line. And killing Carver/the St Johns is neither here nor there when weighing survivability with morality. If they come back and kill you and everyone else who are trying to hold onto their morality then what have you accomplished? What reason was there to sustain your morals when you're dead?
Because what if he came to his senses, got a gun from the house, and followed you? After all he did know where you live. He shows up later, shoots Clem, Kenny, and Carley/Doug before you mow him down. You're left with a man who should have been dead, 2 close friends dead, and the center of your trials and tribulations dead. all because you couldn't end his life or thought he wouldn't be able to shuffle to a safe spot.
I don't suspect Danny would have made it, he did have a bear trap on his leg, but we've seen people recover from a lot more than a good beating, with less on the line, in a very short amount of time.
If they come back and kill you and everyone else who are trying to hold onto their morality then what have you accomplished? What reason was… more there to sustain your morals when you're dead?
But overall they didnt come after and kill everyone because the fact is they couldn't.
There's no way after the beat down the one st. John's brother received dazed and near concussion and the other brother being caught in a bear trap that the St john's would of regrouped and gathered the strength to chase after Lee and the others with walkers closing in. They were already incapacitated and set to their own fate.
Ill stand foot in mouth if they recovered but Im pretty sure they were screwed.
Why would you up and just kill the St. Johns in front of the kids and everyone when you didnt have to? He could Hardly even stand.
I still disagree he would also have to fight off all those walkers coming in.The fact is he still doesn't chase you at all if you leave him alive. He never really had any hope to try to live. He basically begs you to kill him rather then leave him when he tells you to come back and finish it meaning he had already given up, he would not have come after you.
Because what if he came to his senses, got a gun from the house, and followed you? After all he did know where you live. He shows up later, … moreshoots Clem, Kenny, and Carley/Doug before you mow him down. You're left with a man who should have been dead, 2 close friends dead, and the center of your trials and tribulations dead. all because you couldn't end his life or thought he wouldn't be able to shuffle to a safe spot.
I don't suspect Danny would have made it, he did have a bear trap on his leg, but we've seen people recover from a lot more than a good beating, with less on the line, in a very short amount of time.
Lee and the others walked off fairly easily from what we saw. Walking back down the trail they were calm and energized. I don't see why he couldn't arm himself and be fine. In this case chance supports my stance. What could have happened and the repercussions of it. He could have survived, he could have realized his new purpose in life was to destroy the people who destroyed his family, he could have taken vengeance and ended you and your loved ones. But in any case,I guess we'll just agree to disagree, been interesting
I still disagree he would also have to fight off all those walkers coming in.The fact is he still doesn't chase you at all if you leave him … morealive. He never really had any hope to try to live. He basically begs you to kill him rather then leave him when he tells you to come back and finish it meaning he had already given up, he would not have come after you.
I'd kill him. He's spent months tracking the cabin group so he has plenty of people and supplies, he tortured Carlos in front of his daughter, and doesn't bat an eye at executing helpless captives. He's a bad guy and he needs to be taken out. My Lee helped Kenny take out Larry when he was a danger to the group, so I don't see why my Clem wouldn't kill Carver when he's a much bigger, much less ambiguous threat.
Or maybe Clem will do what Lee told her. For example, in your play through, if you told Clem that “you don't kill someone unless you absolutely have to,” she would spare him. If you told Clem that “your right, killing people, it doesn't even matter now" she probably kills him, or has the option to kill or leave.
I am trying to protect Clem's humanity just like my Lee protected his humanity. I would save Carver if it looked like he was on the edge of … moredeath rather than taking advantage of the situation to try to kill him, because he seems to have a code of some sort at least maybe there's some reasoning left in him.
By that I mean Carver is very eye for an eye plus your fingers, just imagine if you tried to kill him but he survived he would most defiantly come after you crazier possibly killing even more people close to you. If you spare his life in a way he owes you one.
Also forcing a little girl to kill a crazy man seems pretty psychotic in itself and most likely if you spared him Kenny would shoot him and make sure he was dead with a saltlick since he could throw his humanity away in a blink of an eye.
That would be awesome. I hope Lee's words have some effect on Clementine. If the player does not have a season 1 save file, then the player should be given a choice.
Or maybe Clem will do what Lee told her. For example, in your play through, if you told Clem that “you don't kill someone unless you absolut… moreely have to,” she would spare him. If you told Clem that “your right, killing people, it doesn't even matter now" she probably kills him, or has the option to kill or leave.
Ehh well if you think a man having his arms pinned down taking a full on beating to the face that could push a him to near death who then gives up asking you to kill him can conjure up resolve in a split second to run into the house which most likely if he did try to run he would fall over or feel his brain pound with every step, if he could even get to the house and grab a gun while walkers zeroed in on the house then fight his way out saving the few rounds he had for Lee and the others which he would have to Catch up to them and have a shot greater greater than Annie Oakley to kill even one person without missing on the first shot, an Annie Oakley who just came out of a ring side fight with rocky who would possibly need someone to cut their eyes open from the huge welps starting to form on their eyes just to see what their shooting then sure you can agree to disagree but I still see the St. John's bro getting up and catching up to the group more ridiculous then this run on sentence.
In his condition he would not even be able to save himself.
Lee and the others walked off fairly easily from what we saw. Walking back down the trail they were calm and energized. I don't see why he c… moreouldn't arm himself and be fine. In this case chance supports my stance. What could have happened and the repercussions of it. He could have survived, he could have realized his new purpose in life was to destroy the people who destroyed his family, he could have taken vengeance and ended you and your loved ones. But in any case,I guess we'll just agree to disagree, been interesting
Your overly long and rambunctious example proves my point it is possible. Your example plays heavier to your side of the story, it's very bias, so I'll fix a few point you exaggerated. He pulled himself up, he still had strength. His head may hurt, I'm sure it would, but when the realization comes into mind he's about to be eaten alive he may find a bit of spring in his step. Revenge itself is a powerful motivator. There weren't all that many walkers around, avoiding the isn't that hard. As I said, Lee and the group seemingly met little resistance. Your entire Annie Oakley analogy is N/A when you take into account what I said in a previous post, he knew where you lived. It isn't about running himself ragged to catch up, it's about finding you later.
In his condition you don't know what he could or could not do.
Ehh well if you think a man having his arms pinned down taking a full on beating to the face that could push a him to near death who then gi… moreves up asking you to kill him can conjure up resolve in a split second to run into the house which most likely if he did try to run he would fall over or feel his brain pound with every step, if he could even get to the house and grab a gun while walkers zeroed in on the house then fight his way out saving the few rounds he had for Lee and the others which he would have to Catch up to them and have a shot greater greater than Annie Oakley to kill even one person without missing on the first shot, an Annie Oakley who just came out of a ring side fight with rocky who would possibly need someone to cut their eyes open from the huge welps starting to form on their eyes just to see what their shooting then sure you can agree to disagree but I still see the St. John's bro getting up and catching up to the grou… [view original content]
Bias? Whos really being biased? You pretty much lurk these forms always starting long arguments with people and never let up lol
I dont care who the hell you are but if someone pounds your face without you blocking your not going to have any energy left at all let alone know which end is up. You could stand like the St. John brother for a little bit but just like the St. John's brother you would just fall to your knees which he did twice and hunched over barely standing. In a real fight if someone gets to your face like that without you blocking with that many hits with out a ref standing in your dead or you would need serious treatment and help from others to recover. That's a concussion level of a beat down there's no walking that off alone even if you have anger and revenge in you heart. Trained fighters with even more adrenaline pumping that get beat on the head like that dont even move right after a fight. They always need help and support to get around for a bit.
The situation is even more dire with walkers closing in. Sorry for making a mockery about you opinion but i still think his survival would be limited and near impossible.
Your overly long and rambunctious example proves my point it is possible. Your example plays heavier to your side of the story, it's very bi… moreas, so I'll fix a few point you exaggerated. He pulled himself up, he still had strength. His head may hurt, I'm sure it would, but when the realization comes into mind he's about to be eaten alive he may find a bit of spring in his step. Revenge itself is a powerful motivator. There weren't all that many walkers around, avoiding the isn't that hard. As I said, Lee and the group seemingly met little resistance. Your entire Annie Oakley analogy is N/A when you take into account what I said in a previous post, he knew where you lived. It isn't about running himself ragged to catch up, it's about finding you later.
In his condition you don't know what he could or could not do.
You're being bias. I'm offering an objective view of the situation. Yes i often involve myself with long arguments. I love arguing, it's a great pass time. What of it?
I've been in fights like this, on both sides of it. I can say from personal experience that it is very hard to remain focused and not succumb to the bodies wants of regression and self preservation through not moving, but it's most certainly possible to fight through it, especially (I can assume) when your life is literally on the line. Professional fighters don't need help much of the time, they are offered help to prevent or treat damage.
You don't need to worry about making a mockery of my opinion, it stands strong. Limited and near impossible? Perhaps. But possible, therefore you have the possibility of losing loved ones to a crazed, revenge driven cannibal.
Bias? Whos really being biased? You pretty much lurk these forms always starting long arguments with people and never let up lol
I dont c… moreare who the hell you are but if someone pounds your face without you blocking your not going to have any energy left at all let alone know which end is up. You could stand like the St. John brother for a little bit but just like the St. John's brother you would just fall to your knees which he did twice and hunched over barely standing. In a real fight if someone gets to your face like that without you blocking with that many hits with out a ref standing in your dead or you would need serious treatment and help from others to recover. That's a concussion level of a beat down there's no walking that off alone even if you have anger and revenge in you heart. Trained fighters with even more adrenaline pumping that get beat on the head like that dont even move right after a fight. They always need help and … [view original content]
You pretty much go around doing never ending arguments. Seems like you pretty much feed off assuming your ideas are right. Sounds pretty biased. And us going back and forth calling each other biased pretty much starting to become like kids calling each other babies.
It all depends on how bad you were beat down. I mean I wouldn't know what its like to be on the losing end that badly overpowered to the point where you weren't able to block letting someone get all up in your face. I dont think I could ever let that happen to me. Im too good for that. I wish someone would try to beat me down that bad. Have to stay pretty like pretty boy Floyd. :P.
So I cant say I've been beaten like St. Johns brother as you have. I have seen some fights though around the block and I know enough that if you leave a vital open like your head and have someone lay as many hits as Lee did with out anyone stopping it your not going to function the same and your hardly going to be moving when those zombies come after you. I could be wrong though since as you say in your "personal experience" from getting your face pounded like the St. Johns bro you could still get up. In reality you would be the toughest human punching bag ever to even comprehend revenge after you let someone unload on your face like lee did to the st John's brother.
The fact stands the St. Johns brother did nothing because he could not do anything. Im not going to argue about it anymore.
You're being bias. I'm offering an objective view of the situation. Yes i often involve myself with long arguments. I love arguing, it's a… more great pass time. What of it?
I've been in fights like this, on both sides of it. I can say from personal experience that it is very hard to remain focused and not succumb to the bodies wants of regression and self preservation through not moving, but it's most certainly possible to fight through it, especially (I can assume) when your life is literally on the line. Professional fighters don't need help much of the time, they are offered help to prevent or treat damage.
You don't need to worry about making a mockery of my opinion, it stands strong. Limited and near impossible? Perhaps. But possible, therefore you have the possibility of losing loved ones to a crazed, revenge driven cannibal.
The thing about being bias is it means you are only offered one side of the story. Both sides of the story are evident from my posts. There is the hypothetical and completely possible version of what could happen and the events that actually took place. You only argue and see the latter. I feed off of food and drink. I enjoy proving myself correct, not through assumptions but through arguing, which is why we're here. So calling me out on defending my points is pretty lackluster.
Hehe, well then I guess you wouldn't know would you. Also, welcome to the Internet.
The fights you've seen don't entail the one on the ground is bout to be eaten alive does it? You don't live in a neighborhood with actual zombies right? It's completely realistic to think of revenge after getting your ass beat, let alone when the person who just beat your ass also killed your beloved family. It isn't about perfectly functioning, it's about functioning enough to escape.
The fact stands he didn't do anything. The fact doesn't stand that he couldn't have.
You pretty much go around doing never ending arguments. Seems like you pretty much feed off assuming your ideas are right. Sounds pretty bia… moresed. And us going back and forth calling each other biased pretty much starting to become like kids calling each other babies.
It all depends on how bad you were beat down. I mean I wouldn't know what its like to be on the losing end that badly overpowered to the point where you weren't able to block letting someone get all up in your face. I dont think I could ever let that happen to me. Im too good for that. I wish someone would try to beat me down that bad. Have to stay pretty like pretty boy Floyd. :P.
So I cant say I've been beaten like St. Johns brother as you have. I have seen some fights though around the block and I know enough that if you leave a vital open like your head and have someone lay as many hits as Lee did with out anyone stopping it your not going to function the same and you… [view original content]
I'm sorry but, judging from what we've seen, killing Carver would be a service to mankind. He's too brutal and too powerful to just be spared. The St. Johns were clearly done, so maybe if the same happens to Carver, I'll spare him. But not any other way.
I'd kill him. He's spent months tracking the cabin group so he has plenty of people and supplies, he tortured Carlos in front of his daughte… morer, and doesn't bat an eye at executing helpless captives. He's a bad guy and he needs to be taken out. My Lee helped Kenny take out Larry when he was a danger to the group, so I don't see why my Clem wouldn't kill Carver when he's a much bigger, much less ambiguous threat.
Yeah, but I think he knew the person who was shooting (Kenny), wouldn't want to risk the life of a child. Carver knew he was going to give up eventually and using Clem would just make him give up sooner instead of killing more people.
I'd have to agree with you. Using her as leverage is a long stride from actually shooting her. She was the pièce De résistance if you will.carver is cold, but I don't think he is child murderer cold.
Yeah, but I think he knew the person who was shooting (Kenny), wouldn't want to risk the life of a child. Carver knew he was going to give up eventually and using Clem would just make him give up sooner instead of killing more people.
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Agreed, Ehh ya that I was pretty risky I admit that and trying to save Larry lol.
You do have a point stuff like that would get me or someone around me killed.
If I did let them live and got away without consequence it would of assured to everyone: people in the the group, and the st. johns that you can still survive with your humanity. An even bigger problem that some but not all of the characters realize in the walking dead series is that hope lies in humanity. The only thing people should worry about is grouping up and fighting walkers not each other.
Very true. It's just hard to find the balance between pragmatism and morality that will allow survival without transforming you into a monster. It's a damn fine line. And killing Carver/the St Johns is neither here nor there when weighing survivability with morality. If they come back and kill you and everyone else who are trying to hold onto their morality then what have you accomplished? What reason was there to sustain your morals when you're dead?
What if it's a Governor type situation? You have the chance to mutilate him (as Michonne did to the Governor) or you leave him. And then he comes back worse than ever. I don't think Carver will be taken down in episode 3 yet, but if we get the chance to kill him, I probably will.
But overall they didnt come after and kill everyone because the fact is they couldn't.
There's no way after the beat down the one st. John's brother received dazed and near concussion and the other brother being caught in a bear trap that the St john's would of regrouped and gathered the strength to chase after Lee and the others with walkers closing in. They were already incapacitated and set to their own fate.
Ill stand foot in mouth if they recovered but Im pretty sure they were screwed.
Why would you up and just kill the St. Johns in front of the kids and everyone when you didnt have to? He could Hardly even stand.
Because what if he came to his senses, got a gun from the house, and followed you? After all he did know where you live. He shows up later, shoots Clem, Kenny, and Carley/Doug before you mow him down. You're left with a man who should have been dead, 2 close friends dead, and the center of your trials and tribulations dead. all because you couldn't end his life or thought he wouldn't be able to shuffle to a safe spot.
I don't suspect Danny would have made it, he did have a bear trap on his leg, but we've seen people recover from a lot more than a good beating, with less on the line, in a very short amount of time.
I still disagree he would also have to fight off all those walkers coming in.The fact is he still doesn't chase you at all if you leave him alive. He never really had any hope to try to live. He basically begs you to kill him rather then leave him when he tells you to come back and finish it meaning he had already given up, he would not have come after you.
Lee and the others walked off fairly easily from what we saw. Walking back down the trail they were calm and energized. I don't see why he couldn't arm himself and be fine. In this case chance supports my stance. What could have happened and the repercussions of it. He could have survived, he could have realized his new purpose in life was to destroy the people who destroyed his family, he could have taken vengeance and ended you and your loved ones. But in any case,I guess we'll just agree to disagree, been interesting
I'd kill him. He's spent months tracking the cabin group so he has plenty of people and supplies, he tortured Carlos in front of his daughter, and doesn't bat an eye at executing helpless captives. He's a bad guy and he needs to be taken out. My Lee helped Kenny take out Larry when he was a danger to the group, so I don't see why my Clem wouldn't kill Carver when he's a much bigger, much less ambiguous threat.
Or maybe Clem will do what Lee told her. For example, in your play through, if you told Clem that “you don't kill someone unless you absolutely have to,” she would spare him. If you told Clem that “your right, killing people, it doesn't even matter now" she probably kills him, or has the option to kill or leave.
Like the stranger who stole Clementine. “We make sure he never takes anybody from anyone again. World's got enough evil in it”
Would he really try to kill an eleven year old?
That would be awesome. I hope Lee's words have some effect on Clementine. If the player does not have a season 1 save file, then the player should be given a choice.
Ehh well if you think a man having his arms pinned down taking a full on beating to the face that could push a him to near death who then gives up asking you to kill him can conjure up resolve in a split second to run into the house which most likely if he did try to run he would fall over or feel his brain pound with every step, if he could even get to the house and grab a gun while walkers zeroed in on the house then fight his way out saving the few rounds he had for Lee and the others which he would have to Catch up to them and have a shot greater greater than Annie Oakley to kill even one person without missing on the first shot, an Annie Oakley who just came out of a ring side fight with rocky who would possibly need someone to cut their eyes open from the huge welps starting to form on their eyes just to see what their shooting then sure you can agree to disagree but I still see the St. John's bro getting up and catching up to the group more ridiculous then this run on sentence.
In his condition he would not even be able to save himself.
Your overly long and rambunctious example proves my point it is possible. Your example plays heavier to your side of the story, it's very bias, so I'll fix a few point you exaggerated. He pulled himself up, he still had strength. His head may hurt, I'm sure it would, but when the realization comes into mind he's about to be eaten alive he may find a bit of spring in his step. Revenge itself is a powerful motivator. There weren't all that many walkers around, avoiding the isn't that hard. As I said, Lee and the group seemingly met little resistance. Your entire Annie Oakley analogy is N/A when you take into account what I said in a previous post, he knew where you lived. It isn't about running himself ragged to catch up, it's about finding you later.
In his condition you don't know what he could or could not do.
Bias? Whos really being biased? You pretty much lurk these forms always starting long arguments with people and never let up lol
I dont care who the hell you are but if someone pounds your face without you blocking your not going to have any energy left at all let alone know which end is up. You could stand like the St. John brother for a little bit but just like the St. John's brother you would just fall to your knees which he did twice and hunched over barely standing. In a real fight if someone gets to your face like that without you blocking with that many hits with out a ref standing in your dead or you would need serious treatment and help from others to recover. That's a concussion level of a beat down there's no walking that off alone even if you have anger and revenge in you heart. Trained fighters with even more adrenaline pumping that get beat on the head like that dont even move right after a fight. They always need help and support to get around for a bit.
The situation is even more dire with walkers closing in. Sorry for making a mockery about you opinion but i still think his survival would be limited and near impossible.
You're being bias. I'm offering an objective view of the situation. Yes i often involve myself with long arguments. I love arguing, it's a great pass time. What of it?
I've been in fights like this, on both sides of it. I can say from personal experience that it is very hard to remain focused and not succumb to the bodies wants of regression and self preservation through not moving, but it's most certainly possible to fight through it, especially (I can assume) when your life is literally on the line. Professional fighters don't need help much of the time, they are offered help to prevent or treat damage.
You don't need to worry about making a mockery of my opinion, it stands strong. Limited and near impossible? Perhaps. But possible, therefore you have the possibility of losing loved ones to a crazed, revenge driven cannibal.
I would kill him but I don't think we'll have the chance in episode 3 maybe episode 4
You pretty much go around doing never ending arguments. Seems like you pretty much feed off assuming your ideas are right. Sounds pretty biased. And us going back and forth calling each other biased pretty much starting to become like kids calling each other babies.
It all depends on how bad you were beat down. I mean I wouldn't know what its like to be on the losing end that badly overpowered to the point where you weren't able to block letting someone get all up in your face. I dont think I could ever let that happen to me. Im too good for that. I wish someone would try to beat me down that bad. Have to stay pretty like pretty boy Floyd. :P.
So I cant say I've been beaten like St. Johns brother as you have. I have seen some fights though around the block and I know enough that if you leave a vital open like your head and have someone lay as many hits as Lee did with out anyone stopping it your not going to function the same and your hardly going to be moving when those zombies come after you. I could be wrong though since as you say in your "personal experience" from getting your face pounded like the St. Johns bro you could still get up. In reality you would be the toughest human punching bag ever to even comprehend revenge after you let someone unload on your face like lee did to the st John's brother.
The fact stands the St. Johns brother did nothing because he could not do anything. Im not going to argue about it anymore.
Yep. He already put a gun to Clementine's head, and was probably just as willing to kill her as the others.
The thing about being bias is it means you are only offered one side of the story. Both sides of the story are evident from my posts. There is the hypothetical and completely possible version of what could happen and the events that actually took place. You only argue and see the latter. I feed off of food and drink. I enjoy proving myself correct, not through assumptions but through arguing, which is why we're here. So calling me out on defending my points is pretty lackluster.
Hehe, well then I guess you wouldn't know would you. Also, welcome to the Internet.
The fights you've seen don't entail the one on the ground is bout to be eaten alive does it? You don't live in a neighborhood with actual zombies right? It's completely realistic to think of revenge after getting your ass beat, let alone when the person who just beat your ass also killed your beloved family. It isn't about perfectly functioning, it's about functioning enough to escape.
The fact stands he didn't do anything. The fact doesn't stand that he couldn't have.
I'm sorry but, judging from what we've seen, killing Carver would be a service to mankind. He's too brutal and too powerful to just be spared. The St. Johns were clearly done, so maybe if the same happens to Carver, I'll spare him. But not any other way.
Hear hear. He'll most likely be doing worst in the next episode, so the first chance I get, he's a dead man.
Yeah, but I think he knew the person who was shooting (Kenny), wouldn't want to risk the life of a child. Carver knew he was going to give up eventually and using Clem would just make him give up sooner instead of killing more people.
I'd have to agree with you. Using her as leverage is a long stride from actually shooting her. She was the pièce De résistance if you will.carver is cold, but I don't think he is child murderer cold.