***** to die next episode no matter what? [S2ep3 spoilers]
As we know from the Comic if you cut someone with a blade covered in walker blood they become infected so Chopping Sarita's Arm off would just hasten her death or bend the very logic of the walking dead comic universe. Also her loud scream from the pain would call more walkers on to her possibly.
Odds are leaving the hand un-chopped until getting away from the walkers would be safer but without medical supplies and time being a factor she would be screwed also.
Anyone else think Sarita will die no matter what you do at the start of the next episode?
Odds are leaving the hand un-chopped until getting away from the walkers would be safer but without medical supplies and time being a factor she would be screwed also.
Anyone else think Sarita will die no matter what you do at the start of the next episode?
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Besides I think it'd be a flaw to have such a mechanic, why would a blade covered with walker blood infect you ? You're ALREADY infected from the start, why should it matter that you're "more" infected if the virus kick in only when you die ?
Well anyway, I hope she survives, I cut her arm off in the spurt of the moment but when I look back on it it indeed seemed dangerous. Carlos died so no treatment later on, fresh blood gushed out of her wound and probably attracted walker even more, her scream, the fact even if walker didn't notice they wouldn't be able to tend to the wound until they got out of the herd... *sigh*
Tough choice however you look at it.
And the virus works like AIDS and HIV. People are carriers its in everyone's blood but a bite from an infested walker mouth speeds up the process by overwhelming the person with more infection. A blade with walker blood on it carries the same principle. Its pure infection just like the walker's mouth.
Besides, you're the one who got facts about the virus completely wrong. Kirkman said ages ago that it's not the virus that kills people but the dozens of lethal sickness that are in a zombie's saliva. The virus kick in only after you die, end of the story.
Before you go ballistics on someone have the decency to check what you're saying, it might prevent you from looking like an idiot, thanks.
But ya anyone cut with a gunked walker blade in the all out war saga got sick and turned so the zombie virus must also work with blood based infection.
And the walker bite is just as I said it "a bite from an infested walker mouth just speeds up the process with more infection" Is what you failed to read in the post.
"Aaaaa duhhh" So I am right no need to get crazy about it.
So maybe there is hope for Sarita after all. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for her.
If you cut off her arm, she definitely HAS to die. No way she survives. You just cut her arm off in the middle of a horde of walkers attracting them to her even more. Not to mention that she will lose lots of blood and remain infected, considering the hatchet used to cut off her arm was full of walker blood.
If you only killed the walker. then maybe the chances for her survival may increase from 0% to about 5%. In this scenario,the only way would be to cut it off as soon as possible with something clean and then patch her up, and their doctor is dead, so yeah, I just can't see it. When she gets infected, they're surrounded by zombies, I don't even think she will manage to get out of it by herself, considering her shock. Her survival here depends on how fast they cut it, and I just can't see them doing it fast enough.
"The rule is WHATEVER it is that causes the zombies, is something everyone already has. If you stub your toe, get an infection and die, you turn into a zombie, UNLESS your brain is damaged. If someone shoots you in the head and you die, you're dead. A zombie bite kills you because of infection, or blood loss, not because of the zombie "virus"."
You say "... speeds up the process with more infection", it's totally wrong. You're saying the "zombie" virus goes faster because there is more of it, it's not the case, cf above quote, since the virus will not kill you in the first place (it killed people at the beginning but never since then). The thing is, the walker's blood, or what's left of it, also carries those deadly "normal" pathogenes that are in their saliva, and that's what kills the others, once again, not the "zombie" virus in itself. Putting walker blood on a blade is the same as putting a dozen of lethal viruses on a knife and stab someone with it, it won't make the guy you stab a "zombie", it'll kill him by those viruses and then he'll be re-animated as a Zombie, that's the point I'm trying to make you understand.
What I was arguing at the beginning is that it's stupid to say it is the "zombie" virus inside a walker's blood that kills the others, it's the PATHOGENES inside that blood that kills them. Sounds to me like you misread my post, because you're basically making me say things I didn't, might consider using the time you used to proclaim yourself victor of god-knows-what debate to re-read what I said.
edit: i wouldn't worry too much about logic at this point. worry about the giant abyss that all the plot holes are gonna combine into.
you cut the full context of the quote. I said "People are carriers its in everyone's blood but a bite from an infested walker mouth speeds up the process by overwhelming the person with more infection". I did not refer to more zombie virus I said more infection.
I also said "A blade with walker blood on it carries the same principle. Its pure infection just like the walker's mouth."
Your basically rebutting using the same thing I just said trying to make it look like a meant something else. Now your just making up stuff. I never said it was more virus that brings people back I just said it was "blood based infection". It works like Aids or HIV because its not the Aids or the HIV that kills the person its the weakening of the human immune system which makes the person very susceptible to more infection.
Also I think your missing the overall point of this argument which you started that Sarita is still screwed if you chop her arm off with a gunked walker blade.
Simmer down bro
The whole situation makes me think of Carlos' words at the start of the episode - about rash decisions - and the ramifications that come with them. In the heat of the moment, it seems like the right thing to do, but then you realise that Sarita is now surrounded by walkers, in no shape or state of mind to defend herself, and anyone who tries to drag her out of this mess is very liable to get themselves killed.
I suppose whether or not she dies as a result of Clem chopping her arm off comes down to whether or not Telltale want to take a break from punching the player in the gut.
But if we have to deal with the consequences...I'd say Sarita has a better chance of survival if you DON'T cut off her arm. We don't know the exact period of time required for an infection from a zombie bite to contaminate the human system, and Kenny could conceivably amputate Sarita's arm himself under better conditions. If you slice away a person's limb, you've got to put together a tight bandage/tourniquet FAST to prevent further blood loss. Here's a basic outline of what you need to do (sampled from Medline Plus:)
First Aid
Check the person's airway (open if necessary); check breathing and circulation. If necessary, begin rescue breathing, CPR, or bleeding control.
Try to calm and reassure the person as much as possible. Amputation is painful and extremely frightening.
Control bleeding by applying direct pressure to the wound. Raise the injured area. If the bleeding continues, recheck the source of the bleeding and reapply direct pressure, with help from someone who is not tired. If the person has life-threatening bleeding, a tight bandage or tourniquet will be easier to use than direct pressure on the wound. However, using a tight bandage for a long time may do more harm than good.
Save any severed body parts and make sure they stay with the patient. Remove any dirty material that can contaminate the wound, if possible. Gently rinse the body part if the cut end is dirty.
Wrap the severed part in a clean, damp cloth, place it in a sealed plastic bag and place the bag in ice cold water.
Do NOT directly put the body part in water without using a plastic bag.
Do NOT put the severed part directly on ice. Do NOT use dry ice as this will cause frostbite and injury to the part.
If cold water is not available, keep the part away from heat as much as possible. Save it for the medical team, or take it to the hospital. Cooling the severed part will keep it useable for about 18 hours. Without cooling, it will only remain useable for about 4 to 6 hours.
Keep the patient warm.
Take steps to prevent shock. Lay the person flat, raise the feet about 12 inches, and cover the person with a coat or blanket. Do NOT place the person in this position if a head, neck, back, or leg injury is suspected or if it makes the victim uncomfortable.
Once the bleeding is under control, check the person for other signs of injury that require emergency treatment. Treat fractures, additional cuts, and other injuries appropriately.
Stay with the person until medical help arrives.
Since Sarita was gushing blood in the middle of a zombie battlefield (not to mention screaming loud enough to attract every zombie on the continent), I don't see how Clem's group could save her under those circumstances.
You could be right, but sometimes they keep people out of the trailer if they don't want to give away what exactly happens to them. If we saw Sarita in the trailer, it would spoil everything.
I think she is screwed either way, but more so because blood loss. People have turned from cuts, not appendages being cut off. The Walker blood wouldn't get into the bloodstream because the amount of blood being pumped out is exceeding the blood being taken it. It wouldn't circulate, so she couldn't get infected.