Anyone else find it odd that ***** was alone when holding ______ at gun point [episode 3 spoilers]

Lee4ever

Anyone else find it odd that Carver was alone at the end of the episode with none of his goons around when holding Clem's group at gun point? You would think Carver would at least have 1 or 2 of his men around with him or better yet just take Clem's group up to the roof with everyone else and throw them off to save ammo. Its no big deal but anyone else find this too convenient for the plot?

Also wouldn't Carver just kill everyone trying to escape on the spot?

KatiexGreen

They were on the rooftops shooting the walkers. If they were with Carver, their camp would have been overrun instantly.
Though I have to admit, I agree that at least 1 person on the entire camp could have been with him, even if it was a generic soldier with a gun.

Everyone'sClemInTime

Funny story about that actually. When I got that part where you can shoot Carver, I didn't do it for the first like 7 seconds. Because I though I would blow my "cover." I was certain he'd have at least another guard with him.

Lee4ever

Same here lol

Lee4ever

Maybe Troy was busy taking a shit while everything was gong to hell.

Firewallcano

It was a bit stupid that no one else was there, it felt like there should have been a brief shoot out with some of the others from the camp (maybe a few 400 days guys if we dont see them again) an Carver ending up with a leg wound. Then the scene happens

ShaneWalsh

These guys weren't military trained I don't think, so I guess they were always gonna make mistakes.

Clem_is_awesome

It's called plot convenience. One of the big signs of poor writing.

Kladeos

Yeah, lol. I only had the option to jump on him and still I didn't, was afraid to get shot.

Guess what, he turned around and I got shot anyway. Ops

TheCygi

ya, it seems strange that somebody breaks into his office and starts blaring noise all over and the first thing he thinks is "oh my god, i need to go hold the prisoners at gunpoint." and not try to organize people.

heck, clem comin in with the gun could have easily taken down a second guy and then carver gets jumped by everybody. kinda bugged me that she didn't aim for the head. it's not like he was moving. the dude gets shot in the friggen shoulder twice and it barely phases him... it is a shame, but this season seems quite plagued with bad writing and plot holes for the sake of forcing the story, not to mention all the changes and subterfuge they seem to be doin to keep people guessing or giving nothing that'll last.

eRock92

He sent a guard after Clem in the office. He probably assumed that anyone can take down an 11 year old girl. They just didn't know that this 11 year old is stealth ninja. Considering he had a high powered weapon compared to everyone else, and he did have everyone leave their weapons on the floor, he thought he had the upper hand. Also, who says that he didn't have a guard with him at first, but after disarming the group, he then told his guards to go protect the camp. Yeah, it may be some plot convenience, but it's totally believable. I don't think anyone was expecting Clem to be climbing through sun roofs.

Lee4ever

Ya that's funny let me add to that. Carver was like:

"oh my god, I need to go hold all the prisoners at gun point by MYSELF rather than just kill them all on the spot to save time then regroup with everyone upstairs because giving people the chance to overpower and kill me is suddenly in my character. Also let me forget about the woman and the baby thats possibly mine who I tracked thousands of miles to get back and not send her up to the roof which would be the safest place at the time."

OmidShouldHaveLived

It WAS weird. I guess he could've just run into them when he was on his way to meeting someone, after separating from Hank, and he did seem like some sort of a loner throughout the episode. Still, even if he had no men to spare, he could've had some bodyguards. He WAS the camp's leader.

Lee4ever

But realistically after Reggie's small foul he was killed by Carver on the spot. Wouldn't Carver after disarming the group mow them all down on the spot just to save time?

A hostage situation wouldn't seem necessary for a little girl and time would of been an issue with man power needed to fight off incoming walkers.

DirtySlimyHairy

Clem_is_awesome already provided the best answer: plot convenience.

Also, Kenny needed to have another moment, hence the meat locker tweet.

cameroncr95

Its not odd. He had Tavia and the others go to the roof to stop the walkers, and Carver personally went to stop the group from escaping. Clearly after Carver never arrives at the roof, someone sends Troy to check on him, and the rest is history once Jane shoots his dick.

Kirbinator93PC

No, because it was a hectic situation with walkers invading the camp. I think the camp is smaller than we think. I think there were maybe around 20 other people there tops. Carver had the situation under control before Clem hit him.

cameroncr95

*KERPLUNK* "Ah that felt good!" *pop!* "What the hell was that?"
I could totally see a toilet scene here.

DoubleJump

The fact is that Carver had the situation under control when he had his automatic rifle pointing at the group when they were surrendering. He talked as though he was going to kill them all anyways and I'm sure he would not risk bringing another person(henchman) to mess things up for him. Then Clementine attacked and brought justice for all.

Tobi-Is-A-Good-Boy

A bigger twist of the meat locker tweet would be Luke killing Carver himself in a brutal way, I'm pretty sure everyone would not see that coming. But alas...

cameroncr95

I did the math.
Carver, plus six henchmen, plus Shel, Becca, Wyatt, Tavia, Bonnie, Reggie, Russell, Vince, with the addition of the cabin survivors and later Luke.
In total, 24 unless I missed someone.

Then, at the end, after Alvin, Carver, the henchman and troy die, as well as the cabin group depart, the total is down to 10, which is because the four surviving henchman, as well as the remaining 400 days characters, it brings the total to 10 survivors at the store.

TheCygi

no1 had any idea who was in the office, and i don't think he was with the group that was overheard when clem turned things on. heck, for all anyone could have known, if alvin was alive in the play through, he could have been the one to do it.