I agree that Luke was a bit of a disappointment this episode. Though I like to think that's something is up with him that we don't know about, which caused his strange behavior,
The main thing I noticed was his lack of leadership in this episode. When he was with the group, he kind of took a back seat to Kenny, and did it willingly for the most part. This really surprised me since we saw their leadership styles butt heads in E2, and it seemed to be setting up a bigger conflict in E3. I don't know if Luke was just too physically and mentally exhausted to take charge this episode, but Kenny had his damn orbital crushed and he was still taking charge.
I'll be pretty pissed if Luke's character development is hindered or inconsistent because of the focus on Kenny. I love Kenny too, but I hate to see Luke's potential go to waste. Hopefully we will see more Kenny/Luke conflict in E4. Now that Carver is out of the picture, I feel like a rift between the group will form again.
That sounds like a great idea! That or he's just too out of to stitch it up himself. If Luke was that tired and weak, somebody else would have to do it. I don't know if Clementine would though if the others were there, but maybe she'd be there to distract him from the pain like you said =D
Maybe Luke says something like "Damn, this hurts like hell" and Clem just stares him down all like =_= Jesus are you fucking kidding me? It's a little cut compared to what I had, ya damn pansy!
OH, I just had a thought!
Maybe Luke could get badly injured and needs stitches so he chickens out and gets Clem to do it, and while she's doing it, as someone said above, she asks him about his past to distract him from the pain!
That sounds like a great idea! That or he's just too out of to stitch it up himself. If Luke was that tired and weak, somebody else would ha… moreve to do it. I don't know if Clementine would though if the others were there, but maybe she'd be there to distract him from the pain like you said =D
Maybe Luke says something like "Damn, this hurts like hell" and Clem just stares him down all like =_= Jesus are you fucking kidding me? It's a little cut compared to what I had, ya damn pansy!
I don't think he destroyed Luke's character but he didn't do much in terms of building his character. I thought he needed more development in this episode. I hope he and the others will get more in Ep4
I got a silly headcanon that when Luke sleeps, he always snores, but just the real light cute sounding ones to match his pup ways XD while Kenny's a loud snoring pitbull, yep.
Maybe, although, that would be really cute in a fanart, Clem sewing up his arm with the glare of "you weak, Luke. you a weak fool!". Damn I wish I could draw.
Sleep deprived Luke= Cutie patootie= Happy Me. Win all around :D
I think he'd trust her to do it now Carlos is gone, I mean, I would! Hahaha oh, Clem's face XD she'd be like 'you weak, Luke' XD
I don't think he destroyed Luke's character but he didn't do much in terms of building his character. I thought he needed more development in this episode. I hope he and the others will get more in Ep4
I think Luke let leadership abilities slide because he ruined the plan by getting caught stealing food. I think he felt ashamed about it, and he didnt want to cause more pain to anyone else by having a failing plan...
I agree that Luke was a bit of a disappointment this episode. Though I like to think that's something is up with him that we don't know abou… moret, which caused his strange behavior,
The main thing I noticed was his lack of leadership in this episode. When he was with the group, he kind of took a back seat to Kenny, and did it willingly for the most part. This really surprised me since we saw their leadership styles butt heads in E2, and it seemed to be setting up a bigger conflict in E3. I don't know if Luke was just too physically and mentally exhausted to take charge this episode, but Kenny had his damn orbital crushed and he was still taking charge.
I'll be pretty pissed if Luke's character development is hindered or inconsistent because of the focus on Kenny. I love Kenny too, but I hate to see Luke's potential go to waste. Hopefully we will see more Kenny/Luke conflict in E4. Now that Carver is out of the picture, I feel like a rift between the group will form again.
I've got good news for you, he is doing episode five! :D
Not sure about four, though, hope you guys at Telltale are reading this! We want the old guy back!
I think Luke let leadership abilities slide because he ruined the plan by getting caught stealing food. I think he felt ashamed about it, and he didnt want to cause more pain to anyone else by having a failing plan...
I got a silly headcanon that when Luke sleeps, he always snores, but just the real light cute sounding ones to match his pup ways XD while K… moreenny's a loud snoring pitbull, yep.
Maybe, although, that would be really cute in a fanart, Clem sewing up his arm with the glare of "you weak, Luke. you a weak fool!". Damn I wish I could draw.
I think Luke let leadership abilities slide because he ruined the plan by getting caught stealing food. I think he felt ashamed about it, and he didnt want to cause more pain to anyone else by having a failing plan...
He is not really that *important*... he simply was the most developed, and that is part of why you see so much love for him around here (among other things, I'm sure). Compared to him, you don't really get to care or know much about thee others.
But Nick was already one of the most important characters of episode 2. He's my favorite character of this season but I think it's ok for the spotlight to focus on others a bit more...
He is not really that *important*... he simply was the most developed, and that is part of why you see so much love for him around here (among other things, I'm sure). Compared to him, you don't really get to care or know much about thee others.
I usually just try to ignore the little thins and enjoy the episode but this past episode was hard for me to enjoy because Kenny got more character development than Clementine did, got more of a bad-ass image, and got more than plenty screen time. It's not that I don't like Kenny, it's just that I felt that almost the whole episode revolved around Kenny.
I think at the end of Episode 5, Luke survives. Hopefully, season 3 starts off with an older Clementine and Luke. Clementine atleast around the age of 14+
I like Luke. I feel his story should last until at least Episode 5. If he has to die, let it be a hero death saving Clem, Sarah, Rebecca, Et… morec.
Honestly though, if Nick survives Episode 2, perhaps Luke in Episode 5 will get bit trying to save his friend Nick, but, Nick dies anyways. Now, the "Hero in vain" Luke is bit and will die.
Let him get bitten , and then just move on .Give Jane, Bonnie, and Mike and any of the 400 days characters a chance step up and become leaders of the group.
Luke may be unwilling to kill the living, but he is far from soft or passive. He's pretty damn active and takes leadership of the group when… more Pete kicks the bucket, and also tries to save the group in episode 3. That is to say, he is nowhere near as active or dominant as Kenny, but Luke's no pushover.
Luke got a bit shafted in a lot of ways this episode. When it comes down to it, we never really got to catch up with him. Because everything was happening so fast, we never got a chance to ask what had happened when the group got separated, mention Nick if he's dead or anything.
I see people saying that Luke not mentioning Nick if he's dead means there's something bad about him but really I think it was just an oversight. An oversight since the writers probably assume Nick is still alive in most games and because Luke didn't really get to talk about anything he was feeling.
I hope after we find him AGAIN next episode that the dust settles and we get to actually talk to him about him for once. Personally, I think his mysteriousness could be nothing more ominous than that Luke tries to push things out of his mind when he doesn't want to think about them. Maybe he did something bad in the past or got someone killed and just doesn't want to discuss it or tell anyone. Nick did praise him for his ability to 'move on', after all, but sometimes 'moving on' isn't so much moving on as it is pushing things down and hiding them.
Luke got a bit shafted in a lot of ways this episode. When it comes down to it, we never really got to catch up with him. Because everything… more was happening so fast, we never got a chance to ask what had happened when the group got separated, mention Nick if he's dead or anything.
I see people saying that Luke not mentioning Nick if he's dead means there's something bad about him but really I think it was just an oversight. An oversight since the writers probably assume Nick is still alive in most games and because Luke didn't really get to talk about anything he was feeling.
I hope after we find him AGAIN next episode that the dust settles and we get to actually talk to him about him for once. Personally, I think his mysteriousness could be nothing more ominous than that Luke tries to push things out of his mind when he doesn't want to think about them. Maybe he did something bad in the past or got someone killed and just doesn't wa… [view original content]
I like this. They make a badass team. I think with the way they're both written the next season could be potential conflict between the two. Luke likes to lead, but an older Clem would LOVE to lead. It would be so cool.
I think at the end of Episode 5, Luke survives. Hopefully, season 3 starts off with an older Clementine and Luke. Clementine atleast around the age of 14+
Yeah, I agree. Luke's the man with the plan, he executes the plan and moves on to the next one. His plan was to get Clem and co. out, and that's all he focused on.
I want another scene similar to the scene in episode one of season one, with Shawn. Maybe we go hunting together and it's a chance for us to talk. And I want to see him break down with worry or grief. Maybe accidentally shed a few tears for his family, or Nick.There is NO way nothing is bothering him.
I think you're right. I know people like Luke who hide their pain to seem strong, but like he let us talk about Lee, we should let him talk about his grief. He has to let it out.
Luke got a bit shafted in a lot of ways this episode. When it comes down to it, we never really got to catch up with him. Because everything… more was happening so fast, we never got a chance to ask what had happened when the group got separated, mention Nick if he's dead or anything.
I see people saying that Luke not mentioning Nick if he's dead means there's something bad about him but really I think it was just an oversight. An oversight since the writers probably assume Nick is still alive in most games and because Luke didn't really get to talk about anything he was feeling.
I hope after we find him AGAIN next episode that the dust settles and we get to actually talk to him about him for once. Personally, I think his mysteriousness could be nothing more ominous than that Luke tries to push things out of his mind when he doesn't want to think about them. Maybe he did something bad in the past or got someone killed and just doesn't wa… [view original content]
Luke needs to do something important and heroic. He needs to show that he is competent and useful and that he truly cares about Clementine. So far whenever he tried to do something he failed. Telltale needs to stop making Kenny look like a superhero and show us that Luke is capable and strong too.
Also, as much as I'd hate to see that, Nick's death would be the perfect opportunity to give Luke some development.
All of Luke's important heroic moments are off screen or so minimal. I'm just gonna list them off here for the benefit of everyone:
1. He's the one who convinced the cabin group to patch up Clem and let her out of the shed, if you listen to the kitchen conversation, once he hears she may die, he goes full force into LET HER OUT mode.
2. Luke was prepared to catch her if she fell off the ladder, unlike before when he carried her out of the woods.
3. He's the only one out of the cabin group to ask about her past, and care about what's happened to her. If you say that you got Lee killed, he does try to console her.
4. Luke followed a freaking truck for God Knows How Many days, without sleep/food. This did end up being his downfall, but he cared about Clem and co enough to go get them.
5. He tried to stop Clem from watching Carver's face get beat in, for her mental wellbeing.
6. I noticed he is the ONLY one to BOTHER giving her a god damn weapon in the end of 203! Having her defenseless would have been the end of her.
These are all hints that Luke is competent. As you say, once the burden of looking out for Nick is gone, he can hone on Clementine and protecting her and doing heroic things! Kenny's badass moments shadow anything good Luke does, it would be easier to see his competency if Kenny took a hike instead.
Luke needs to do something important and heroic. He needs to show that he is competent and useful and that he truly cares about Clementine. … moreSo far whenever he tried to do something he failed. Telltale needs to stop making Kenny look like a superhero and show us that Luke is capable and strong too.
Also, as much as I'd hate to see that, Nick's death would be the perfect opportunity to give Luke some development.
I like this. They make a badass team. I think with the way they're both written the next season could be potential conflict between the two. Luke likes to lead, but an older Clem would LOVE to lead. It would be so cool.
My biggest problem is that I don't know a thing about Luke.
Erm, he cares about Nick as his friend, I guess? Then why didn't he gave a shit when he died?
Errr, he's a good fighter? Which is why he needs the help of a 12 year old girl...
pffft, he feels bad about the shed and Clem? I think? He and the other cabin peoples.... I got nothing....
He's a party animal? I think, Nick said that at one point. Luke is apparently kinda sorta his role model now.
I don't even know where this guy is from!
Maybe I'm being unfair, but ask me about any TWD character from season 1 and I can come up with so much. But here...?
No, I'm sorry. Even for villains like Carver who's motivations and goals are questionable at best.
I may not agree with some of the points you mentioned, but I can understand where you are coming from.
That we don't know a thing about Luke, or at least not a lot, is making it hard for people to sympathize with him.
That is not a problem with Luke alone though, we don't know much about the new group in general.
The development of characters was better in season one, for sure.
My biggest problem is that I don't know a thing about Luke.
Erm, he cares about Nick as his friend, I guess? Then why didn't he gave a shi… moret when he died?
Errr, he's a good fighter? Which is why he needs the help of a 12 year old girl...
pffft, he feels bad about the shed and Clem? I think? He and the other cabin peoples.... I got nothing....
He's a party animal? I think, Nick said that at one point. Luke is apparently kinda sorta his role model now.
I don't even know where this guy is from!
Maybe I'm being unfair, but ask me about any TWD character from season 1 and I can come up with so much. But here...?
No, I'm sorry. Even for villains like Carver who's motivations and goals are questionable at best.
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Not sure about four, though, hope you guys at Telltale are reading this! We want the old guy back!
The main thing I noticed was his lack of leadership in this episode. When he was with the group, he kind of took a back seat to Kenny, and did it willingly for the most part. This really surprised me since we saw their leadership styles butt heads in E2, and it seemed to be setting up a bigger conflict in E3. I don't know if Luke was just too physically and mentally exhausted to take charge this episode, but Kenny had his damn orbital crushed and he was still taking charge.
I'll be pretty pissed if Luke's character development is hindered or inconsistent because of the focus on Kenny. I love Kenny too, but I hate to see Luke's potential go to waste. Hopefully we will see more Kenny/Luke conflict in E4. Now that Carver is out of the picture, I feel like a rift between the group will form again.
Maybe Luke says something like "Damn, this hurts like hell" and Clem just stares him down all like =_= Jesus are you fucking kidding me? It's a little cut compared to what I had, ya damn pansy!
I think he'd trust her to do it now Carlos is gone, I mean, I would! Hahaha oh, Clem's face XD she'd be like 'you weak, Luke' XD
Maybe, although, that would be really cute in a fanart, Clem sewing up his arm with the glare of "you weak, Luke. you a weak fool!". Damn I wish I could draw.
I hear you, Ive tried to draw Luke and I had to stop cause i just cant, that would be hilarious with Clem's new sassy glare XD
I see people saying that Luke not mentioning Nick if he's dead means there's something bad about him but really I think it was just an oversight. An oversight since the writers probably assume Nick is still alive in most games and because Luke didn't really get to talk about anything he was feeling.
I hope after we find him AGAIN next episode that the dust settles and we get to actually talk to him about him for once. Personally, I think his mysteriousness could be nothing more ominous than that Luke tries to push things out of his mind when he doesn't want to think about them. Maybe he did something bad in the past or got someone killed and just doesn't want to discuss it or tell anyone. Nick did praise him for his ability to 'move on', after all, but sometimes 'moving on' isn't so much moving on as it is pushing things down and hiding them.
I like your theory.
I want another scene similar to the scene in episode one of season one, with Shawn. Maybe we go hunting together and it's a chance for us to talk. And I want to see him break down with worry or grief. Maybe accidentally shed a few tears for his family, or Nick.There is NO way nothing is bothering him.
I think you're right. I know people like Luke who hide their pain to seem strong, but like he let us talk about Lee, we should let him talk about his grief. He has to let it out.
Also, as much as I'd hate to see that, Nick's death would be the perfect opportunity to give Luke some development.
1. He's the one who convinced the cabin group to patch up Clem and let her out of the shed, if you listen to the kitchen conversation, once he hears she may die, he goes full force into LET HER OUT mode.
2. Luke was prepared to catch her if she fell off the ladder, unlike before when he carried her out of the woods.
3. He's the only one out of the cabin group to ask about her past, and care about what's happened to her. If you say that you got Lee killed, he does try to console her.
4. Luke followed a freaking truck for God Knows How Many days, without sleep/food. This did end up being his downfall, but he cared about Clem and co enough to go get them.
5. He tried to stop Clem from watching Carver's face get beat in, for her mental wellbeing.
6. I noticed he is the ONLY one to BOTHER giving her a god damn weapon in the end of 203! Having her defenseless would have been the end of her.
These are all hints that Luke is competent. As you say, once the burden of looking out for Nick is gone, he can hone on Clementine and protecting her and doing heroic things! Kenny's badass moments shadow anything good Luke does, it would be easier to see his competency if Kenny took a hike instead.
Erm, he cares about Nick as his friend, I guess? Then why didn't he gave a shit when he died?
Errr, he's a good fighter? Which is why he needs the help of a 12 year old girl...
pffft, he feels bad about the shed and Clem? I think? He and the other cabin peoples.... I got nothing....
He's a party animal? I think, Nick said that at one point. Luke is apparently kinda sorta his role model now.
I don't even know where this guy is from!
Maybe I'm being unfair, but ask me about any TWD character from season 1 and I can come up with so much. But here...?
No, I'm sorry. Even for villains like Carver who's motivations and goals are questionable at best.
That we don't know a thing about Luke, or at least not a lot, is making it hard for people to sympathize with him.
That is not a problem with Luke alone though, we don't know much about the new group in general.
The development of characters was better in season one, for sure.
Thank you for the contribution.