I would explain but I have already like 3 times and its a lot. ima try to find that comment and put it here.
you cant stay innocent in this world anymore. because those who are, die.
" im not saying she needs to be a murdered and kill everyone she sees, but at one point she might have to kill someone that does something horribly bad but she doesn't want to kill them. but in order for her to live or save many others, she might have to.
so I want her to be ready for that.
kind of like carol in the show. lizzie was loosing it, carol didn't want to kill lizzie, but carol knew she would hurt others, so carol had the strength to do it and she did. potentially saving her, tyrees, and the baby.
what if carol didn't have the strength to do that? what if she never put her husband down or saw her daughter die, that's wear she got the strength from, that's were she got the knowledge of knowing what HAS to be done"
I stayed
I would explain but I have already like 3 times and its a lot. ima try to find that comment and put it here.
you cant stay i… morennocent in this world anymore. because those who are, die.
" im not saying she needs to be a murdered and kill everyone she sees, but at one point she might have to kill someone that does something horribly bad but she doesn't want to kill them. but in order for her to live or save many others, she might have to.
so I want her to be ready for that.
kind of like carol in the show. lizzie was loosing it, carol didn't want to kill lizzie, but carol knew she would hurt others, so carol had the strength to do it and she did. potentially saving her, tyrees, and the baby.
what if carol didn't have the strength to do that? what if she never put her husband down or saw her daughter die, that's wear she got the strength from, that's were she got the knowledge of knowing what HAS to be done"
I leaved because he wanted me to look and I said this to myself. We are not the same Carver... I will never become you! you are a psychopath, murderer a thief and torturer... So that's what I was thinking so I walked away damn that was a good thought
I left in my first save because I don't want Clem to have to witness something so brutal it is unnecessary. However in my second save I just had to see the brutal beatdown for myself.
I stayed because I was hoping to be able to convince Kenny to just kill Carver quickly and leave. I think I may have to retcon it like you, because I think Clementine should hold on to what humanity she has.
Also, during Carver's death, I just kept thinking... why hasn't any of them taken his pistol off him?
Initially I stayed, because I was curious what happens.
I retconned it, though. My Clem wouldn't have stayed and let Carver die thinking he was right about her.
I stayed because Carver had to die. Leaving means you foist the responsibility of his death on another person, much like not carrying the food back from the car in episode 2, season 1. They don't take the food but have no problems eating it, after it's brought. I 'm not a hypocrite. If I think a person needs to die I can't just tell someone else to do it and then act like I'm washing my hands of the matter.
I say this as someone that let those cannibalistic St. John Brothers live (although I would have redone things if the walkers hadn't finished them off). I say it as someone that saved Ben, even though all I wanted to do was push him off a ledge. I wanted them dead but if I had done it, then I would have been unilaterally making that decision. It's completely different here. The group had a discussion and decided he needed to die. Not killing him meant he might chase after the group again, something that cannot be allowed.
He needed to die, I watched him get beaten to a pulp and it was like watching a weed get pulled. I didn't get any particular satisfaction from it, it was just a chore that needed doing and I will NOT bury my head in the sand while that necessary thing happens. If Carver thinks that makes me like him, I don't care. I have my own reasons for doing so and they have nothing to do with how his worldview works.
I stayed because I stupidly thought I might be able to talk Kenny out of what he was going to do. Nope, I got to watch him smash someone's head in again.
i left because seeing death and living with it is one thing, reveling in it is another. if she stayed it was to watch him suffer, not to prevent anything in the future, kenny was going to kill him regardless, and i didn't need to give carver the satisfaction of an audience. she already lost everything she ever cared for, having to kill lee and see her parents already dead. she didn't need to take pleasure in seeing someone butchered (no matter how completely deserved), people need to believe that killing can be necessary to survive, but not a pleasure.
I stayed because Carver had to die. Leaving means you foist the responsibility of his death on another person, much like not carrying the f… moreood back from the car in episode 2, season 1. They don't take the food but have no problems eating it, after it's brought. I 'm not a hypocrite. If I think a person needs to die I can't just tell someone else to do it and then act like I'm washing my hands of the matter.
I say this as someone that let those cannibalistic St. John Brothers live (although I would have redone things if the walkers hadn't finished them off). I say it as someone that saved Ben, even though all I wanted to do was push him off a ledge. I wanted them dead but if I had done it, then I would have been unilaterally making that decision. It's completely different here. The group had a discussion and decided he needed to die. Not killing him meant he might chase after the group again, something that cannot be allowed.
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i left because seeing death and living with it is one thing, reveling in it is another. if she stayed it was to watch him suffer, not to pre… morevent anything in the future, kenny was going to kill him regardless, and i didn't need to give carver the satisfaction of an audience. she already lost everything she ever cared for, having to kill lee and see her parents already dead. she didn't need to take pleasure in seeing someone butchered (no matter how completely deserved), people need to believe that killing can be necessary to survive, but not a pleasure.
I left. As I said in another thread, if I stayed, I would be giving Carver the satisfaction of knowing that I was like him, and I also didn't want Clem's humanity to be scarred by it, and also because I didn't agree that Kenny needed to kill him, but should have just left him to the walkers, like I did with Lee when I left Andy and Danny in season 1 episode 2.
For Kenny, sure. He was always a vindictive person like that. If I had the choice, I would have just had him shot (unfortunately Luke was too much of a pussy) but I didn't get to decide how he dies, only whether to watch him be killed or not.
As I said, if I think someone needs to die I will not shy away from it, so I watched, and I honestly didn't feel much from it. Honestly, I got more sastifaction out of seeing that useless doctor die. Hey DOC, here's some walker bites, see how they look? Do those bites look like dog bites? DO THEY???
Initially I stayed, because I was curious what happens.
I retconned it, though. My Clem wouldn't have stayed and let Carver die thinking he was right about her.
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I retconned it, though. My Clem wouldn't have stayed and let Carver die thinking he was right about her.
I would explain but I have already like 3 times and its a lot. ima try to find that comment and put it here.
you cant stay innocent in this world anymore. because those who are, die.
" im not saying she needs to be a murdered and kill everyone she sees, but at one point she might have to kill someone that does something horribly bad but she doesn't want to kill them. but in order for her to live or save many others, she might have to.
so I want her to be ready for that.
kind of like carol in the show. lizzie was loosing it, carol didn't want to kill lizzie, but carol knew she would hurt others, so carol had the strength to do it and she did. potentially saving her, tyrees, and the baby.
what if carol didn't have the strength to do that? what if she never put her husband down or saw her daughter die, that's wear she got the strength from, that's were she got the knowledge of knowing what HAS to be done"
1). Don't want to be innocent/naive like Sarah.
2). To be able to remember what happens when you lead with fear.
Also, during Carver's death, I just kept thinking... why hasn't any of them taken his pistol off him?
I say this as someone that let those cannibalistic St. John Brothers live (although I would have redone things if the walkers hadn't finished them off). I say it as someone that saved Ben, even though all I wanted to do was push him off a ledge. I wanted them dead but if I had done it, then I would have been unilaterally making that decision. It's completely different here. The group had a discussion and decided he needed to die. Not killing him meant he might chase after the group again, something that cannot be allowed.
He needed to die, I watched him get beaten to a pulp and it was like watching a weed get pulled. I didn't get any particular satisfaction from it, it was just a chore that needed doing and I will NOT bury my head in the sand while that necessary thing happens. If Carver thinks that makes me like him, I don't care. I have my own reasons for doing so and they have nothing to do with how his worldview works.
As I said, if I think someone needs to die I will not shy away from it, so I watched, and I honestly didn't feel much from it. Honestly, I got more sastifaction out of seeing that useless doctor die. Hey DOC, here's some walker bites, see how they look? Do those bites look like dog bites? DO THEY???