is it just me or does luke suck?

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
Him along with most of the cabin crew, nice people but useless
Thank god kenny came back.

Do people love luke for his nice smile and floppy hair or something?
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  • Kenny, is that you? :D
  • He's a good dude IMO

    You can have your opinion, even though you brought up no points whatsoever...
  • I know! I love Kenny, but I feel like he's overshadowing the S2 characters and taking away from their development.
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    That's how I feel too. I feel like we've gotten to know the S2 characters and I do like all the members in the group. I DO think they play their own parts (big or small) even if they haven't had as much time in TWD as Kenny has to show their potential.

    I know! I love Kenny, but I feel like he's overshadowing the S2 characters and taking away from their development.

  • Depending on how you interpret this and Luke and Nick's relationship, this can also be a gay joke.
  • I don't think he sucks, but I don't see much to him either.

    Kenny, however, just sucks. He's bringing down season 2. His return was bullshit from the get go, he hasn't developed or changed at all, he's gotten stupider since season 1 (yeah, bring the herd and then... um... just deal with it. Great plan, you dumbshit), and his story was done and finished in the previous season. I wouldn't even mind if he wasn't being made so central to the story, AGAIN, but that's what they seem to be doing. He's no longer an interesting character. That part of him died back in episode 5 of season 1.
  • Hehehe...
    BenUseful posted: »

    Depending on how you interpret this and Luke and Nick's relationship, this can also be a gay joke.

  • He's just there to give Clementine the final experience in her mental hardening (see Ellie vs David).
  • Yes! I almost cried when I saw Kenny was alive, but Kenny have changed and on the episode 3 season 2 he made the whole season feel boring.
    damkylan posted: »

    I don't think he sucks, but I don't see much to him either. Kenny, however, just sucks. He's bringing down season 2. His return was bul

  • edited May 2014
    Nope, none of that is development or change. He was Mr. "I can do the hard things" before and he's that same guy now. Remember Larry? Regardless of the reasons, he was perfectly capable of reducing a human being to bloody paste before. Brutally murdering Carver out of pure revenge is not a change in the least in Kenny. Yeah, it's horrifying, but if we were supposed to think that he's gone to the Dark Side or something for it, then it was not presented very well.

    As for risking himself for Clem, he risked himself to save Duck before and got a bullet for it. He risked himself to save Christa/Ben and almost died for it. If it's someone in the group or someone he cares about, he'll try to help them. No difference.

    So again, nothing has changed. Actually, scratch that. He's gotten dumber and more irrational. Okay, sure, maybe he has changed, but not for the better and not in such a way that makes him interesting to me.

    His appearance is also not an issue. I'm talking about substantial character changes.
  • The only people actually helping Clementine killing walkers at the end was Jane and Sarita. Looks like Luke is running away again and their are going too kill of Nick so they don't need to pay his voice actor. Seriously Nick had what? 6 lines this episode.
  • I was too, but he really got on my nerves this past episode. Maybe, *maybe* TellTale can bring him back in episode 4 to be interesting again, but if it comes about through killing Sarita off, I'll be pissed off all over again, because it'll be yet another retread.

    To be fair, it's not Kenny's fault entirely, episode 3 had a lot of problems, not the least of which being very little character interaction and deaths that felt very rushed or done without regard for making us care.

    Yes! I almost cried when I saw Kenny was alive, but Kenny have changed and on the episode 3 season 2 he made the whole season feel boring.

  • I thought they would give Luke character development in episode 3, but they did the opposite! He hardly showed up and when he did, he just screwed things up. My god Telltale.
  • Luke is my favorite character out of the ones left. I don't understand how he isn't for more? ? He walked the entire distance to the camp, risked his life to save us and he's nice to Clem. Don't understand how anyone can dis-like him at least. . .
  • I don't think Kenny sucks BUT I agree he hasn't changed at all. I mean thats a fact that he hasn't changed. The biggest piece of evidence is the first truck scene. Despite every single person telling him to stop he continues to be too head strong and go through with it. As Carlos remarks he is very lucky the truck knocked him out or else he would have died and likely put others at danger. I know he loves Clem and overall is a good guy but he is always arguing and trying to uproot the system. I like Kenny and hope he survives but I am scared his actions are going to get the group in trouble. He is the exact opposite of a team player.
    damkylan posted: »

    I don't think he sucks, but I don't see much to him either. Kenny, however, just sucks. He's bringing down season 2. His return was bul

  • I completely disagree. Kenny would do the exact same thing in Season 1 if he had the chance to do that to someone. His relationship with Clem is stronger as I said below- he has good intentions and is a fighter but he hasn't changed much at all. You can argue he turned a LITTLE colder but overall he is the same old Kenny and that can't be argued.
  • I wasn't sure if they were special friends together but now im 100% sure they aren't.

    If Nick dies in Ep2, Luke doesn't care one bit about it... Not even single line about that.

    Thats lazy!
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    Hehehe...

  • There were a lot of plot holes in episode 3. For example, when Reggie mentions Pete, Nick doesn't flinch one bit. He actually seems like he doesn't care.

    I wasn't sure if they were special friends together but now im 100% sure they aren't. If Nick dies in Ep2, Luke doesn't care one bit about it... Not even single line about that. Thats lazy!

  • Sorry, I did my best to pay attention, but your post degenerated into the usual "KENNY'S BACK?!? WTF TELLTALE GRAAAAAAAAHFHGHTBV RJHFWEHVJEVKJSVRSHK!!11!"

    For crying out loud, man, they had Kenny LOSE AN EYE in this episode just to appease haters like you. If anything, he's suffered more than any other character in this series simply because he's remained alive. Cut him just a little slack.
    damkylan posted: »

    I don't think he sucks, but I don't see much to him either. Kenny, however, just sucks. He's bringing down season 2. His return was bul

  • he probably would have done it for only his family in season 1, but wouldn't for clem in season 1 in season 2 he definitely has changed to helping out mostly everyone other than just his family, the beating he took was mostly because of luke and wanting to steal the food, he could have let luke take that beating or even clem but he didn't

    I completely disagree. Kenny would do the exact same thing in Season 1 if he had the chance to do that to someone. His relationship with Cle

  • what did he do that was "Ben-like" ? not arguing but I don't remember anything he did that caused the downfall of the group
  • helping out mostly everyone? LOL besides Sarita and Clem he literally couldn't care less what happens to the rest. You can't blame Luke for the beating. That is like blaming getting fat because of food. Kenny took the responsibility for the walkie-talkie and I respect the heck outta him for that BUT it certainly was not Lukes fault.
    Green613 posted: »

    he probably would have done it for only his family in season 1, but wouldn't for clem in season 1 in season 2 he definitely has changed to h

  • edited May 2014
    Suck what? *pervert face*

    But sriously, he is a cool character in my opinion.

    It's pretty weird that he always runs away tho, but I think he is just living thru his 'duck times'.

    Like Kenny said; "every damn place we went, he'd just run".
  • I agree completely. It's nice to have a man with a real haircut back and someone who can get shit done without caring about what other people think.
  • He wanted to leave Kenny behind I lost all respect for him plus he got soft when killing carver
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    Not really. I understand Telltale had a lot to juggle in part 3, but at the very least they could have allowed Clem to strike up a brief conversation with each character instead of giving them the "blink or you'll miss it" treatment. Otherwise, why bother to play the DLC at all?
  • Kenny was the reason Kenny lost his eye, not Luke. Kenny just HAAAD to get the last word in on Carver with that, "Heh. Fucker," remark. If he kept his mouth shut and stayed calm, he probably could've avoided that beating.
  • The only difference between Larry's death and Carver's death is a matter of degree. Carver's was much more violent and horrific, but it's not enough to really call it a change in Kenny's character, because he's basically coming from the same place. What Kirbinator said, basically.

    Indeed, losing his eye *might* be a step towards a change in him, which is why I'm hoping he becomes interesting to me again in episode 4, but the actual act of taking one for the team isn't anything new. It's not like he knew he was going to lose an eye, necessarily, he just gave himself up and suffered horribly for it. Not that he doesn't deserve praise for that, to be fair. Kenny may annoy me, but he definitely has good qualities and a lot of drive; my problem simply comes from the fact that he's being pushed to the foreground again when I see little justification for his return in the first place. Any other character could have done the same thing and gotten closer to Clementine to give them some much needed development that Kenny already had. That's what it boils down to. Again, maybe TellTale will add something new to his character finally come episode 4, and hopefully it doesn't just come back to him feeling sorry for himself after losing Sarita.
  • Kenny and Luke were the only ones to actually try to do something

    The rest is just useless, I agree
  • So you really brought up no reasons why just like Ja1826 did?
  • And yet it still held more substance than quite a few posts I've seen from you, buddy. See, I can toss out baseless shit too.

    Oh, really? They catered to haters by making him lose an eye? So they're *that* affected by criticism that they have to "appease" us and it wasn't just part of the story they were telling? Way to make TellTale sound stupid, guy. Luckily, that's not the reality, especially since we're clearly supposed to marvel at how badass he is when he gets up from losing an eye, and *he* ends up being the one to kill Carver despite having no business doing so (in terms of his place as a character in this season, not as a character in the narrative itself).

    I've never laughed at Kenny's pain or mocked him when he gets hurt. He does annoy me in a lot of ways, but before, I was able to see what an interesting character he was and especially how much drive he has. Now, however, it's the fact that on top of everything he does that annoys me, TellTale clearly love the guy (which is fine in itself) and making him the center of their development again, and in such contrived ways on top of that. Carver beat him... why? Yes, to give Kenny a lameass reason to be the one to take him out, but why in terms of his character? Because he's "insane". *sigh* Okay, fine, I can actually roll with that.

    But to have Kenny be the reason that Carver (their "big villain of the season", though I'm used to lying from the show writers) finally died having just met the guy a little while ago, having no history with him, and just for it to be a shocking moment that mainly benefits Kenny in terms of character? Man, fuck that. It's hard to look at that as anything else than TellTale just making him so "edgy" and badass and a guy that just can't be kept down while literally every other character needs more development than Kenny.

    Sorry, I did my best to pay attention, but your post degenerated into the usual "KENNY'S BACK?!? WTF TELLTALE GRAAAAAAAAHFHGHTBV RJHFWEHVJEV

  • The fingers are typing, but all I can read is "BLARGHBDIKFJBDKFUSDJDFKFDH!1 FSDFHFSKDSUYGDFIDFUDFB!1 AAASUVAEKESVGFREKAVGR!!11!!"
    damkylan posted: »

    And yet it still held more substance than quite a few posts I've seen from you, buddy. See, I can toss out baseless shit too. Oh, reall

  • Not bad, old man.

    Kenny, is that you? :D

  • Even so, adding more fuel to the fire certainly wasn't a smart idea.
  • I personally don't like Luke, even though he is like the only one with a heart around the group, besides from Kenny (sort of.)

    You might think thats a good thing, but he is never there for them! Its like "Oh im cool oh wait im not there but i come back for 10 minutes and im gone again and I am gone again" Who needs a heart when all you do is go missing? Kenny AT LEAST can stay with a heart, sheesh.

    Besides all your comments about saying Kenny is the same, hah lol. He has changed so much, like how he is more aggressive, he now loves someone (SPOILER she dies no matter what, either turns into zombie or Telltale kills her, Telltale CLASSIC)and they die, how he cares for Clem, believes she is strong, unlike before.

    It also seems like Kenny's major depression is leaving when he thinks about Duck or Katjaa, considering in Episode 2 vs 3 how he reacted when thinking about Duck (My fav character btw), and in episode 4 sneak peak how he is then. He has gotten more aggressive, considering he did not HAVE to kill Carver and he certainly had to kill Larry.

    This is a bit off topic, but I want hem to find their old RV with Lilly in it, dead or alive (or her randomly if you didn't let her stay), that would be the best thing for me. I feel like, if bringing back another character from season 1, it isn't going to be Christa, and considering Telltale is Telltale Molly is probably going to be found dead or alive so we can find out her backstory (Like seriously, I'm happy about Kenny returning, but bring back a character that has an important backstory they left out, like Molly and that picture or Lilly and that RV/being kicked out. Those 2 guys from the farm are most likely dead (Considering most people killed them, like me).

    On the topic of the season 1 characters coming back again, in an interview- actually I'll copy paste it. - In a interview with Gavin Hammon, the voice of Kenny, it was revealed that a scene was planned in which Lilly would appear in "No Time Left" with the RV again after her original departure, but it was never made.

    Lilly survived, more likely than Molly, and she was disregarded. With that in mind, I believe she has a big chance of being revealed, just saying.
  • I think it's because people hate him due to Cluke... I know that's a shit reason considering Cluke never happened, but I honestly think most of the reasons are because Kenny and Luke don't get along extremely well, even though Kenny's sort of to blame for some of the fights they had, and don't get me wrong, I like Kenny and Luke both but this fighting shit is stupid as hell.

    Luke is my favorite character out of the ones left. I don't understand how he isn't for more? ? He walked the entire distance to the camp, risked his life to save us and he's nice to Clem. Don't understand how anyone can dis-like him at least. . .

  • Nah, it's just you. Well yeah, he did screw up a bit, but can you really blame him? He didn't do it out of stupidity like Ben. He was hungry, hadn't gotten any sleep and had to walk all the way to Carver's camp. Besides people were complaining that Luke is "too perfect". Well there you go, he's not.
  • Kenny has absolutely changed.

    His mental state has degraded but he actually cares about things other than his family now. I mean, yes, his family is dead but S1 Kenny made decisions based upon how it would impact his family only. It was family first and to hell with everything else.

    To see him be selfless as he was in this episode is a massive shift in his behaviour.

    The Carver thing was an entirely different situation than Larry. Larry was going to turn, there was no bringing him back. In the comic (which this is based on) they NEVER resuscitated anyone. Once they're dead, they destroy the brain immediately. It was only on the show that they resuscitated a person.

    Kenny was a broken man by the end of S1 who had lost everything. The fact that he's still going is a development in and of itself. He literally lost everything he was living for but he found new reasons to continue on.
    damkylan posted: »

    I don't think he sucks, but I don't see much to him either. Kenny, however, just sucks. He's bringing down season 2. His return was bul

  • edited May 2014
    I hope Telltale will give him some character development in the "Amid The Ruins" and "No Going Back" before that "Pizza or Ice Cream" choice. From the looks of it; our "Mustache Guardian" is rising and "The Master Of Matchetes" is going down. If Telltale decides to make players choose Kenny over Luke then it's over for me. I want REALLY hard choice like the one "A House Divided" had where you get to sit with Kenny or Luke. I'm not a "Cluke" fan or some pervert son of a bitch and I don't hate Kenny after what he did for me. But in Luke, I see Lee and his philosophy of hope. And as Clementine, I think that's what I need after Lee. Someone who believes the world is not over.
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