Omid's death was not Clem's fault

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
I was thinking back to the aftermath of Omid's death and how strained Clem's relationship with Christa had become. Were we as player's meant to feel guilty for Clem leaving the gun by the sink? If anything we should be upset with Omid for not keeping watch.

Clem didn't even need or want to use the bathroom through fear of being vulnerable. Omid reassures her it is safe in there even tbough he doesn't check it first. Clementine is given to understand that he would be outside keeping watch. She goes to wash her face as she didn't need to pee and gets ambushed by what can only be described as a bandit. Where the fuck was Omid?

Clearly he left the toilet entrance other wise the girl wouldn't have got in there. Omid put a 9 year old girl who was still struggling to come to terms with losing Lee, at risk. If a anything Christa should have been angry with Omid for being negligent and careless. She should have felt guilty for not taking good enough care of Clem after the promise she made to Lee. She should be pampering Clementine since she is all she has left not keeping her at arms length. What dot others think about this?

I think my anger towards Omid for not keeping watch and putting Clem at risk kept me from feeling saddened by his death. Had Ben have left Clem in a room without keeping watch in "around every corner" people would have called for his head.
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  • Wasn't Christa the one who lured him into Vegas time in the first place, anyway?
  • Yah,it wasn't Clem's fault but Omid definitely died because of her actions.
  • I don't think we can say it *entirely* wasn't her fault.

    I think Michelle, Christa, Omid and Clem are all really to blame, Michelle the most and clem probably the second most.
  • at first i blamed omid because he just stood there...then they updated his animations to try and sneak behind her and grab the gun...to be honest Clementine should have went with them in the bathroom :'C RIP BROMID
  • Looking back at that scene now I can't help wonder why Clem didn't use the same bathroom as Christa given that they are the same gender. Omid should have used a separate bathroom from Clem and Christa and the bandit should have rolled up on him.
  • They were having some "alone time".
    loop hole posted: »

    Looking back at that scene now I can't help wonder why Clem didn't use the same bathroom as Christa given that they are the same gender. Omid should have used a separate bathroom from Clem and Christa and the bandit should have rolled up on him.

  • The question of fault regarding Omid's death, for me, is the heartbreaking moment Clementine's innocence is permanently shattered. She makes an unwittingly profound yet nonetheless understandable error in judgement and its repercussions are tragic. The look on Christa's face when she realises it was Clementine's gun that killed Omid really stays with you. I wouldn't say it's Clem's fault, simply because of her age, but it's the beginning of a theme that overturns any ideas of childhood being an excuse in the raw game of survival.
  • Yeah, and after having given Lee hell about taking Clem into the train station she should have known better.
    Pride posted: »

    Wasn't Christa the one who lured him into Vegas time in the first place, anyway?

  • edited May 2014
    Indeed, she did exactly what she scolded Lee for doing, even worse.

    At least Lee was WITH her when they went into an abandoned unknown building.

    Christa, on the other hand, just let Clem walk into such an unknown abandoned building all by herself.

    I do feel it was mostly Christa's fault that it happened, not Clem's. I still love her , though. In my eyes, she redeemed herself when she kept taking care of Clem despite losing her boyfriend and baby.
    Onmens posted: »

    Yeah, and after having given Lee hell about taking Clem into the train station she should have known better.

  • Christa and Omid were going to have sex in that bathroom so there was no way they would have let Clementine in the bathroom with them
    Cazabubu posted: »

    at first i blamed omid because he just stood there...then they updated his animations to try and sneak behind her and grab the gun...to be honest Clementine should have went with them in the bathroom :'C RIP BROMID

  • In Clem's defence, she did check the cubicles before she set down her gun. Her error is understandable... it doesn't make the price Christa pays any less painful, but it wasn't something Clem could have controlled entirely. Just goes to show that a second off being constantly alert can produce horrible consequences.
    Pride posted: »

    Indeed, she did exactly what she scolded Lee for doing, even worse. At least Lee was WITH her when they went into an abandoned unknown

  • "Keep an eye on your things, Clem."

    And what does Clem do? She leaves her things in the sink while she goes to get the bottle. Including the gun that killed Omid. It was extremely unlikely that a bandit was going to wander in in the 10 seconds she took to get the bottle, but that's what happened. If Clem had kept the gun then Omid would be alive. It's as simple as that.
  • everyone is at blame. Omid himself its to be blame for his own death lol. first of all I know that people need their alone time with their partners, but how are you going to leave an 9 year old girl by herself in a closed place like that. they should know that anyone can go in at anytime.it was clem's fault cause she should have kept that gun with her at ALL time. its was both Christas and omid's fault cause, did BrOmid had a fucking gun when he walked in the restroom?? no he walked in with nothing. why is the prego lady handling a rifle? and more fault to omid cause he could have close the door himself but quietly so he coulve sneak behind the bitch and take care of her.
  • There's a difference between being causally linked to an event and being blameworthy for an event. A person can only be blameworthy for an event if he or she can be reasonably expected to believe that his or her actions would result in that event occurring.

    I don't think Clem can be reasonably expected to believe that a person would wander into the bathroom right when she was getting her water bottle, grab her gun, and shoot Omid when he came in.
  • I wish that when people downvoted you they at least tell you why. -_-
    WhatTheDuck posted: »

    Yah,it wasn't Clem's fault but Omid definitely died because of her actions.

  • Why would Clementine leave the gun on the table. I knew that was a bad idea, i tried to pick it up but Clementine refused. You never just leave a loaded gun lying around unattended.
  • edited May 2014
    "If Clem had kept the gun then Omid would be alive. It's as simple as that."


    Or if he didn't leave the bathroom entrance unattended in the first place.

    I'm sorry but even if he told her to keep her things with her she would have expected him to be keeping watch. He sneaked a way to be with his girlfriend. That's fucked up on so many levels. Lee would have been turning in his grave.

    Clem could have died in that bathroom even if she had her gun on her if she was in the cubicle talking a piss if the girl that came in and used her own weapon. I say her own weapon because she had robbed others before meeting Clem and no one walks around in zombie apocalypse without a weapon.

    The girl could have also crept up on her whilst she was at the sink or had her weapon hidden, pretending to be friendly.

    That girl shouldn't even have been able to get in the bathroom in the first place. Clem shouldn't have had to protect herself from the bandit, her guardians should have had her back. It's as simple as that. That was, after all, what they promised Lee they would do.
    Rock114 posted: »

    "Keep an eye on your things, Clem." And what does Clem do? She leaves her things in the sink while she goes to get the bottle. Includin

  • Omid never said he was going to keep watch. If any trouble cropped up, Omid and Christa were literally two seconds away. I find it hard to believe that Clem would have died even if she had her weapon when she survived just fine without it. What weapon was Michelle even using? If she had her own, then why use Clem's? If Clem still had her gun, then Michelle wouldn't have been able to use her own. Clem's gun would have been already out, and if Michelle went for her gun or knife or whatever then Clem would blow her away. If she had tried sneaking up on Clem, Clem would have seen her reflection in the mirror, turned with her gun (if she had it, which she was specifically told to do) and called for Christa and Omid who were, as I said earlier, two seconds away. Clem wouldn't fall for Michelle pretending to be friendly. She went through that before with the Stranger. She's learned her lesson. The fact of the matter is that Omid and Christa can't watch her 24/7. Clem's got to be able to take care of herself, which includes keeping an eye on her things, which includes her gun. It's as simple as that.
    loop hole posted: »

    "If Clem had kept the gun then Omid would be alive. It's as simple as that." Or if he didn't leave the bathroom entrance unattended

  • Yep, this is all Christa's fault for turning Omid on. If she hadn't done that, he would have watched Clem and Michelle wouldn't have gotten away with what she did. Blame Christa!
  • Omid was simply obeying his obviously horny pregnant wife. Pregnant women are crazy.
  • Omid and Christa just really wanted some nookie didn't they? It just clouded their better judgement so much, Omid I can see being a bit careless, but Christa surprised me the most. She struck me as very paranoid(in a good way) about always sticking together, and keeping your gun on you at all times, never letting your guard down etc...I guess the pregnancy hormones made her really horny..? lol
  • edited May 2014
    I don't see how it was Clem's fault whatsoever
  • It's one of these situations where everyone is a bit at fault, honestly. Had Clem not left the gun unattended, this wouldn't have happened... But if they hadn't split up at the bathroom, there would've been no need to watch the gun either. I also wondered why Omid walked into the bathroom first, instead of Christa who was holding the rifle.
  • It was no ones fault, alright.
  • Bromid :( Why did y'have to remind me
  • Yeah, don't blame a nine year old child while there were two adults there. That pissed me off, I know it's the end of the world and all, but there are seriously better places to have sex. Personally, if I was Omid, we would have all gone into one bathroom.
  • I see people saying that it's because Clementine left the gun unattended, but come on now, would anyone really get the gun when it would literally take like 10 seconds to grab the water bottle?
  • I don't ever leave a gun unattended/loaded. Ever.
    brennanz76 posted: »

    I see people saying that it's because Clementine left the gun unattended, but come on now, would anyone really get the gun when it would literally take like 10 seconds to grab the water bottle?

  • Owww, change a title. You can spoil it to someone.
  • In my opinion, the problem with this situation, starts with them not checking the surrounding area/bathrooms together. After that point, someone(Omid preferably) should have stood outside of the bathrooms with a gun. There's absolutely no reason, that Omid and Christa, should have been "fooling around" at that time.
  • Then I blame Omid lol
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I don't ever leave a gun unattended/loaded. Ever.

  • Why wouldn't he close the door quietly behind him, or just shoot her. There is a lot of blame to go around.
    brennanz76 posted: »

    Then I blame Omid lol

  • edited May 2014
    Yeah what I don't understand is that he could've grabbed the gun if he didn't move so slowly towards her. I mean before the door closed and she turned around, he was close enough to her where he could quickly grab for the gun.
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Why wouldn't he close the door quietly behind him, or just shoot her. There is a lot of blame to go around.

  • Well, technically speaking, it's really TELLTALE'S fault for not letting us click on the gun. :p
  • lol
    WhatTheDuck posted: »

    I wish that when people downvoted you they at least tell you why. -_-

  • It was everybody's fault, a sequence of unforgiveble mistakes that led to Omid's death. It was one of the most forced deaths on TWD Game. At least give the character a "good" death scene, and not a cheap one.

    "Why everybody screw up, so that Omid would die?"

    "BECAUSE THE PLOT DEMANDS IT"
  • The way Christa and Omid behaved in the opening of episode 1 actually kinda pissed me off. As Lee, I said I wanted the two of them to take care of her because I thought it would be better for Clem to have both a father figure and a mother figure. As well, given my brief exposure to her, Christa seemed to be quite level-headed.

    Then, despite Christa previously scolding Lee for taking Clem with him into an abandoned building, she and Omid do something even worse and send Clem into an abandoned restroom without checking it out first. She heads in alone and without even someone standing watch outside the door. And why? Apparently so they could have sex in the bathroom next door.

    Utter stupidity. If anyone is to blame, it's Christa and Omid for being such negligent guardians. If you simply must have sex, do it at night when Clem is asleep and within view.
  • Why does everyone keep saying they were "fooling around"? Like seriously is that a joke or was it actually implied?
  • I would of just shot her and took her stuff.
    brennanz76 posted: »

    Yeah what I don't understand is that he could've grabbed the gun if he didn't move so slowly towards her. I mean before the door closed and she turned around, he was close enough to her where he could quickly grab for the gun.

  • Actually implied. Rewatch the scene and try to look out for those hints.

    Plus, Owen Thomas (Omid VA) said that he thinks so too on a Playing Dead episode!
    brennanz76 posted: »

    Why does everyone keep saying they were "fooling around"? Like seriously is that a joke or was it actually implied?

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