The truth about the 'Community'
Now this is only a theory of mine that is there to help explain or 'shed light' on what really occured at Carver's community. I've made previous theories on Carlos' and Sarah's backstory and Luke and Carvers connection to one another however for this theory those two won't really be neccesary.
Right.
So we know for a fact that by 400 Days, Carvers community had been set up quite well. Tavia already has the clothes that many of the guards wear in the community. Not only that but she has a walkie-talkie and presumemly contacts Carver with it showing that they have at least some equipment set up. However Tavia doesn't have an AK47 (whilst other guards that are outside the community are seen with one), we can presume she has a pistol or a knife. When she also contacts Carver he says that they're trying to build a "good community" so this is presumambly before Luke opposed Carver and Rebecca showed in the community. From this we can presume that Luke, (most likely travelling with Uncle Pete and Nick) were not in the community at the time. We can also gather that Rebecca (most likely travelling with Alvin) was also not in the community at the time. One of the options for Tavia to get the group to join is that there are children in the community so we can presume that Carlos and Sarah are at the community.
Tavia does mention that there are methods of transportation as she remarks that she'll be driving away soon back to the community so we can presume there is a good amount of fuel. Tavia is recruiting people suggesting they need more people to defend the community.
Later Luke and his group joins however with the demand of more people (and the assumption that a herd has attacked the community from which they barely survived) With this Carver must be feeling stressed and being harsh with rules (this can be anything such as making people go to sleep earlier, making more people do harsher work, etc.) and with the addition of new people this could only make his thirst for power increase. Luke will notice these rules and being generally kind-hearted would oppose these rules.
This is when Rebecca would show up and Carver noticing she's a "strong women surrounded by weak men" (As Rebecca is generally harsh whilst Alvin is generally nicer) would make Rebecca in a position of power to please her (Such as being the speaker for the PA system).
At some point whilst everyone is in the community (and presumambly after Omid's death, with Clementine and Christa travelling north whilst Sarita would discover Kenny and they would meet up with Matthew and Walter) Carver...perhaps r**** Rebecca. Rebecca most likely feeling uncomfortable (and most probably had *** with Alvin as she remarks they were always "trying" to have a baby). Rebecca at some point told Alvin about what Carver had done and this would most likely put Alvin in a rage and soon they had a team of people who would help them escape, this included Luke, Pete, Nick, Alvin, Rebecca, Bonnie, Reggie, Sarah and Carlos. Reggie was abandoned and Bonnie decided against it. Others could have been involved but either died before Clementine met the group or just simply sided with the community.
Now during the escape some serious stuff went down. Here's what I think happened. Carlos may have beat down some guards (not killing any) in front of Sarah and Luke which clearly shocked both of them (He may have tended to have a passive-agressive nature at best, and him beating down people could come across as shocking to the group and his daughter - This also would've angered Carver because it's implied he was their only doctor so him hurting people AND leaving would be bad for his group). Alvin was most likely persuaded by Rebecca to not go after Carver himself as he would most likely die, so Alvin instead killed one of Carvers closest guards/friends to make Carver suffer for what he did.
Luke, Nick, Pete and the others most likely just left (whilst also stealing some weapons and ammo - This could annoy Carver as previously mentione the group may not have had that much firepower to begin with so stealing some plus ammo would prove again to be another disadvantage to the group).
With them leaving (for a group recruiting) would also prove another disadvantage to the community as they would mostly need many people to help defend in case another herd attacks. The group was still recruiting since when the group is pulled back they don't really seem to know who Mike or Jane are implying that they and other survivors who weren't really seen joined later.
After they left, Carver became horrendously harsh he didn't want people to defy his leadership and believed other survivors were lesser than him. With the death of his cloest guard/friend and the loss of Rebecca who potentially has his child making him even more stressed and dominant. He ruthlessly went to search everywhere and instead of scavenging could steal supplies from people (This explains why he killed survivors at the river, and why none of them were found with weapons which would be unlikely during the apocalypse, and the fact we saw the bandit with a gun before when he aimed one at Christa).
The group must have recently left the community as Sarah tells Clementine that Carlos is trying to get them to "re-stock", implying they haven't had much time to gather supplies.
When the group is captured, Rebecca also notes how Carver is worse further emphasising the idea that he became very harsh after the group left and his hunger for power grew.
Do you think Carlos could do this at the community? Was the downfall of the community Carvers fault? What about the 400 Days Characters were they dissapointed by not finding what they were told? (Becca is told there will be children, the only child is Sarah whom she hates. Russell and Wyatt were told there could be people they missed, such as Eddie or Wyatt's grandmother however both are absent from the community.) What do you guys think?
Also how do you think the community would be if Carver somehow died (perhaps from a herd attack) and Luke took over before Rebecca and Alvin joined?
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My head...
I couldn't resist
I keep wondering why he offers you the chicken at the end.
I know you couldn't resist but I'd really appreciate it if you could read. You don't have to, but any thoughts would be nice
Maybe he Thinks all that typing made you hungry.
I'm not too sure about Alvin knowing about Carver sexually assaulting (if it wasn't consensual) Rebecca considering how scared she was to consider it not being his. I feel that if he knew about this incident, he surely would have his own suspicions about the paternity of the child and her wellbeing.
Ok. I did read lol. Pretty sound theory, except Carver wasn't the one on the radio, and I don't think Rebecca was raped. I'm fairly sure she Consented then later decided it was stupid of her to have done it with Carver.
I assumed that since Rebbeca states that she and Alvin were "trying" they both had *** before and Alvin just assumed it was his child, whilst Carver assumed that it wasn't.
I didn't miss that gif Bro...wanna know what gif i missed?
Thanks so much, it's really appreciated! However I think Tavia could have been contacting George, as it sounds like someone who isn't in the community anymore. This could also imply that perhaps both George AND Carver were leaders together.
As well as this, I only assumed Rebecca was raped with some of Carvers last words - "What the **** you lookin' at b****? Don't act like you didn't enjoy every second of it" (Something along those lines) which sounded like he had raped her. Perhaps Rebecca lied to Alvin and said that she was raped, who knows? But thank you regardless.
I feel like maybe she wouldn't have waited so long to tell him about it possibly not being his kid if he knew though? It would still be incredibly difficult, I'm sure, but she seemed really scared of losing him. Surely he would know that if it had been rape that it wouldn't be her fault in any way for getting pregnant.
Nice theory
Maybe Rebecca lied and said Carver attempted to r*** her, but she fought back which truly never happened.
Thanks it's appreciated
Relatively sound. I don't think Rebecca was raped. Carver's last words could just as easily come from someone bitter that their one night stand didn't mean as much as they wanted it to. Alvin didn't know about the possibility of the baby not being his either until Carver shouted "our baby deserves to be raised in a place of safety!" but he probably did know that Carver was after Rebecca and used that as the main motivation to escape. Also makes sense for Carlos and Sarah to have been the first ones there.
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I guess but I don't think she's that type of person. I remember her saying that Alvin would kill her if he found out about the baby not being his, so that just makes it seem like she had an affair.
But who knows! Maybe he did and that's why the group left. Hopefully we'll get these answers next episode!