A Disclosure Petition to Telltale
Now that TWAU is over (at least the first season), I think Telltale's QA should come forward and explain what happened in Episode 2 and 3. As many people know, Episode 2 was hugely delayed. Telltale blamed it on "unforseeable technical difficulties", but many things changed. The storyline was apparently rewritten, new voices were used, Brannigan was dropped. I think now that the season is over and the Episodes are past, Telltale should disclose exactly what happened. Why Episode 2 was delayed, why Episode 2/3 were rewritten, and why Brannigan was dropped from the plot. It can't hurt to tell those of us who are still wondering.
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I heard that the author of the comics (Bill Willingham) didn't like what Telltale was doing with the storyline, so he wanted to make some changes or something like that. Sorry if I'm wrong xD
Well I'd really like to know as well. She seemed so cool and stuff and they made it pretty clear that Brannigan was originally a major character so I want to know what was originally going to happen, why it was cut and why Bluebeard is on the episode 4 cover when he barely had involvement in that episode at all.
"It can't hurt to tell those of us who are still wondering."
I disagree there, and honestly, I don't think it's any of our business to know. We paid for a great season and that's what we got, even if there were bumps in production along the way, which tends to happen with any game. Maybe you (and those still wondering) should just let it go?
There should be some explanation though. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee deeeesssseerrrrveeeee ittt.
Hey, you're alive! I haven't seen you here for quite some time. By the way I agree, why is it relevant which way storyline could have go?
I am sure that typing numerous letters will help you win your case.
Thanks. Let me go in on a serious note.
After a 4 month wait for episode 2, we deserve a fucking explanation. That was fucking unacceptable.
I dont know if they would do that... If they tell the public what they were originally planning and the public like that idea more it would backfire on them.
Is it really that important? Some time has passed since then, it should be water under the bridge by now. I'd rather have them explain that ending they forced in the game.
Yes. We'll get that ending explained in a second season. TTG is pretty mysterious. They wouldn't just come clean about the ending. They would say something ambiguous or say nothing at all.
But the game was changed. Brannigan was supposed to be something in the story. But it was changed.
I know that it was changed, I remember the original trailers, but it doesn't bother me all that much really... If I have to take wild guess it would be because it was inconsistent with comics and Bill Willingham asked them to change it. Mundies found out about Fable community pretty rarely in the comics and it seems that was the way the story was originally meant to go, with police investigating Bigby and so... but as I said I don't really care what was the original plot, I also remember there being something about serial killer in one of the trailers, which I'd really like if they chose to go that way, but we got what we got and I wouldn't dwell on it any further.
And even if there is going to be season 2 I doubt they will resolve the thing about Faith and Nerissa there. And why are you sure there will be season 2? Have there been any announcement?
The question is not IF they answer, but WHY NOT.
Because it was an idea early in the project, a draft if you like... would you like to know how every script for every movie you watched looked like before they changed it? Do you really want to read draft 1, draft 2, draft 3, etc? It's just because Telltale makes games in episodes and had to make trailer based on an abandoned idea you happen to know they changed the storyline. But it happened to every book you've read and every movie you watched more than once, so why make such a big deal out of this?
You deserve it? Why? You didn't do anything to cause the change or the delay from episode one to two, or help with whatever needed to be fixed, you just waited for them to come out. Try and accept that it was handled internally, OK?
Shaddap I don't wanna know the truth. I wanna stay awake at night thinking about it, clinging at my Woodsman blankets wondering what happened here and there, who is really who and why.
This is whats good of this mistery game. If you want everything perfectly explained, what's left?
I'll quote here a little video for all of ya ( skip to 0:30 if wanna avoid the annoying obvious commentary)
Joker's speech
We got a great story (in my opinion) in the end, anyway, so that's all I expected. I think it's a little conceited to expect TTG to just divulge things because someone thinks they deserve it. The season's over, so it's time to move on and look forward to different (potentially better) things.
I agree completely about moving forward. I was personally disappointed in the game though, for other reasons which I have pointed out on few different threads so I won't repeat them anymore as it is likely to seem like whining and trolling, lets just say that I was hoping for something else and also am not big fan of that ending, but I'm really glad that you liked it.
I find that "fan-base" have become quite cynical and arrogant recently, especially among the more hermetic groups such are gamers. They demand explanation for everything, bitch about everything they don't like and always act like they know the best and could do a better job while sitting on their asses for entire day and playing games... I still remember that outburst about the ending of Mass Effect 3, it was such a genuine rage and hatred, death threats and so... I honestly don't understand those people.
I agree with you. Curious or not, I never thought that the fans should know everything that is going on behind the scenes. I guessed that it had something to do with the Branigan character breaking continuity of the comics. Thats all I need to know. The game still came out well.
I think it's an unfortunate side-effect of bad judgement some people have in response to what they think "fans want", not unlike bloggers who rant about bad chemicals in food while having no understand of chemistry, or in the case of games, thinking that a few people who have nothing better to do than rage online somehow means their opinions are popular. Of course, popular ideas aren't necessarily true, or right, and some poeple appear to make sense with italics and all caps because actually taking the time to read and think about it isn't nearly as fun (or easy) as joining in the fray and emoting nonsensically.
I think you've explained the whole plotline for season 2 of TWAU. It is where Bigby and Bill Willingham embark on a valorous journey to Telltale's HQ, in order to uncover the mysteries of what they took out from season 1 - while the both of them try to persuade the staff to spill the beans.
Otherwise? It's Huff & Puff time.
Well said.
Wow, talk about entitled. It's their prerogative to have their own development plan and we don't need know what went on behind the scenes.
Come on, people. Telltale could be a little more transparent in what they do. I even recommended awhile back an idea for a brand new thread. One that gets updated every other day on their process of the current episode their working on(Just finished recording! Animating done! etc.). It could even include pictures from their studio too or something. It would be so much better than having a "No News Yet" thread, in my opinion.
Why should they be transparent about anything if they dont want to be? Its their business. They dont have to tell the fans how every game is put together, they just have to put out a good product. What company tells all of their business to their customers? If they wanted to throw a bone every now and then for fun, then thats fine but I dont think fans should demand it.
Does it really matter?
It's not uncommon for episode banners to be inaccurate on Telltale Episodes. The Walking Dead Season One done it a few times even. Granted I always found it strange that Episode 3's was completely changed but if Brannigan was wrote off the game I see that as a good enough of a reason. Still though, found it rather strange she was just wrote off the game like that, maybe they just thought that putting in a subplot with a Mundy in the story would just make it more convoluted with the fact that you were trying to solve a murder mystery in the meantime? That's one of the possibilities I can think of anyway.
That would be a hell of a storyline Butter! I guess it's fanfic time, right?
I strongly disagree. I don't want to watch game being put together or know anything which is strictly internal for the studio.
No one's demanding or forcing anything. It's just that Telltale does have many loyal fans and it sometimes seems like they could be more responsive because of that when they actually made forums that they can get closer to the fans with. It's their passion to create wonderful games that we all enjoy too and should be able talk about with them. Being unsocial and withdrawn ain't good.
I'm just suggesting simple follow ups like people do on Twitter or Facebook. Not any licensed or private disclosures on the game itself...
You can't handle the truth!!!
DP
Maybe they would be if there weren't so many angry, swear-filled rants on the forum.
maybe they changed Episode 2 and 3 because the original story was simply not very good
Its not hard to see why some of the subplots and storylines were dropped
Brannigan the human finding out about the fables feels like a completely different story than the murder mystery noir that we were playing.
Its a distraction that has little or nothing to do with the main plot of the game and Its something that probably sounded great on paper but when they actually put it in the game the subplot ended up not working so they decided to drop it.
The red haired guy with feckless was the real puppet master of the original game but the problem is almost everybody had already guessed it was him and so that story got dropped for the character named nerissa that showed up in episode 2
Bigby confronting crane happened in episode 2 but instead they pushed it back to episode 3
this was a smart decision because it allowed telltale to slowly build up bigby vs crane in the fist two episodes and finally let you confront him at the end of episode 3
they dragged out Snow's fake death for much longer in the original story
and thank goodness that didn't happen in the game lol
Bigby werewolf transformation was pushed back from episode 2 to the end of episode 3
Beauty originally worked at the pudding and pie bar instead of at a random hotel.
I would love to have seen beast reaction to that one lol
I would love to know why I had to wait 4 months for an episode to be released. I hope Telltale reads this thread and tell us what exactly the 'technical difficulty' was.
Who is the red haired guy with freckles?
I'd be curious to know what the original ideas were but I don't really care in the long run.
We got a fun story that mostly holds together and was satisfying both from a singular game standpoint and as a prequel to a decades worth of comics.
As for Brannigan? Either she's a pure Mundy who went snooping (which would make no sense as Mundies in the comics have next to no desire to look into Fabletown or it's residents due to magic or whatever) or she was a Fable in disguise or something equally insane (a Literal?) that would have been an unnecessary plot to throw on the pile.
Or, hey, maybe there was absolutely no solid plan for Brannigan at all? Maybe they just tossed her into that episode picture because it looked cool and it was a vague placeholder while the real plot was being nailed down.
You are absolutely right, papai! Usually, it will be the good kind.
I'd add to that list: Prince Lawrence was probably meant to do more but player data showed most people unintentionally killed him because damn you Toad.
I do wonder what the deal was with red haired guy. I guess we can either pretend he's just the normal "boy who cried wolf" citizen who happens to drive a few cabs or like me, you can just believe he's a random spy for The Crooked Man who occasionally reports on the comings and goings of Bigby and Snow (Someone had to take all those photos from episode 5).
Snow coming back so fast was abrupt but thank goodness they did that in hindsight. Absolutely no one who even glanced at the comics believed she was dead and her supposed "death" being drawn out would have just muddied the waters needlessly.
Bigby's werewolf delay was probably for the best considering how insanely epic it was at the end of episode 3. On the whole, I think Telltale were very consciously saving his full transformations for critical points only.
If Beauty was going to be a dancer at the pudding and pie than thank goodness they didn't do that. It would have made that whole scene was more creepy than it already was and would opened a lot of ugly discussions about the portrayal of female characters in the game.
the guy Snow runs into by the elevator just before she was about to show you faith's head in episode 1