I hate everyone in this game
Well, almost everyone.
The first two episodes of this season i liked... somewhat, they weren't good enough to be equal to season 1, but not bad either. Then came episode 3, which i liked the most out of all so far... and now here is episode 4, which i just absolutely hate.
I already mentioned this in a Wolf Among Us Thread, but this "half-assing" related to Telltale developing too many games at the same time could be felt in this game as well, especially this latest episode.
To me it felt like they just don't really care anymore, they just want to finish the season and be done with it, to have more time to focus on their other games. Most characters just became genuinely average or downright boring.
Let's just look at them in 3 different categories:
The Terribly Bad Characters:
Sarah - She was the innocent little girl, who i always felt conflicted about. I couldn't really decide whether i liked her or not, but i always wanted to help her. In this episode she barely did anything and was just scared. Okay, that fit her character, but i felt like it was a bit overdone, it would've been time she did anything or tried to look more sane. Yeah, losing her dad is hard, but Clem lost her parents too, yet she was able to at least TRY and get through this harsh world. Sarah just got too much for me. Then they just killed her off in totally non-realistic way, which was not even satisfying: "Oh she just dropped to her death, but wait, why should we care about her? There is this useless baby bringing more doom on our survival!"
Rebecca - Talking about the useless baby... I hated Rebecca and i'm glad she is dead. From the starting of this episode i constantly thought we should leave her behind and just go on with Jane together. I really really didn't want to experience the childbirth and all the stuff that comes with it. It just feels so boring now, every single series that has people in an "unfortunate situation" has a girl who is pregnant and will surely deliver on scene. It's just enough. Stop. I was glad to shoot her in the end.
Kenny - This guy... i hated him since season 1 and they still keep him alive, because the fanboys can't get enough of him. I ask: why? What is special about him? Try to get rid of your memories of how good of a guy he was to Lee (he actually wasn't that nice to him mostly anyway). Think without any context just about his character. He is unstable, he gets people killed all the time and keeps shutting you up like you are still a child who can't take care of herself. I just wanted Kenny to die, i was praying all this episode that he would die, but deep down i knew that he won't, thanks to you guys. Well, hoping he will finish off in the last one and not carry over to The Walking Dead Season 3: Wrath of Kenny.
The Good Ones:
Bonnie - Bonnie... Bonnie is really the only one left in this group who i like anymore. I want to leave together with her and find a new camp, without these annoying people and the baby. I just had enough of them. She seems nice and even while i know her backstory a little bit, i still like her and feel for her. She also seems to look out for Clem, which is nice.
Jane - I liked her too. I was so happy when i got the option to ask if i could leave with her, but i knew it that she would refuse, since Telltale wouldn't be able to make the game really go by choice and branch into two totally different storylines (with the group OR with Jane). Still, she really wants to survive and does everything that's needed for it. I gladly stole the medicine from Arvo with her, since i knew that he was lying and we needed it more than him. Or maybe we did not (disregard the baby now, i'm talking about the two of us), but still, that was just the best thing to do for our survival, even while counting the consequences. I'm sad to see her go.
The Neutrals:
Sarita - General redshirt. I knew she will die soon, but i still chopped her arm off, just in case she might stay alive and decide to leave the group with Kenny in some weird way, so i could get rid of him. Meh.
Luke - I kinda liked this guy, but i always felt like he just didn't do enough. This has continued in this episode as well. He is generally nice, but still really average and i can't really place him on my liked list. Really, just give him a real role. Maybe he could come to our new camp with Clem and Bonnie though.
Mike - The forced black guy, which is neccesary in every game. If you think this is racist on my part, then you are terribly wrong (it's sad this even needs bringing up). He is similar to Luke, but not even too likable. I mean, he is not a bad guy (or at least i can't tell), but he is not interesting at all. General filler character.
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Feel free to tell me your own opinions on the characters and how you feel about them, or just generally about where the game is headed. Also, feel free to downvote me for hating on your "best pal 4ever" Kenny.
Comments
You my friend, are setting your expectations too high... but I understand where you're coming from.
Well we all have our opinions that's fine, but I'm still not entirely sure why you hate Rebecca?
The fact that she was pregnant with the possibility it was either Carver or Alvin is a fun dynamic. She was a really mean character to you in the first episode, but slowly she got better and better. Come episode 4 she was really nice and I felt really protective of her from a character standpoint.
The whole point of Sarah is that she really was just as weak as everyone thought, not being mean its just the truth. Her story was honestly how most kids would turn out like Duck it just happens and its over.
I like Bonnie and Mike
I found it hard not to care about Rebecca when i saw she was dead I was pretty sad
Luke and Kenny I honestly dont really like mainly as the game seems to force clem to be nice to them
The main reason is what i already stated: too many TV series uses this same thing: pregnant woman in an unfortunate situation. Look at LOST, for example... and there are many more. Why does this need to be forced?
Another reason is that she acted all hostile towards me first, then suddenly she acted like nothing happened and like i was family. What the hell? No, Rebecca, i'm not part of your family and i don't want to be.
Ah for Kenny and Luke I could care less now. Bonnie, Jane, and Mike though. They are seriously cool characters!
As for Sarah, I honestly disliked her. Not hate, but dislike. I don't really see why everyone praised her or anything. I hated the way she was taken out in this episode though. I thought there was going to be some redeeming value to her, but nope, dead. I also didn't like her mentality and attitude as well. I just kept thinking, "You stupid kid..." But I guess we have Carlos to blame for that.
Sounds to me like Sarah doesn't belong in the "terribly bad" section if you were mostly conflicted about her, unless you mean her arc ended in a shitty way, which a lot of us will agree with. That said, the attitude of "Clem got over it, why can't she" is unfair not only because Sarah has more internal issues than Clementine, but we only saw her for just a day after Carlos died, and then TellTale killed her off before she could even start on a road to recovery. Now we'll never know how her story could have gone because we like killing off the interesting characters, I guess.
I liked Rebecca because she was understanding of her own situation (talking about hating how dependent she is on everybody) in episode 2 and was a logical character throughout episode 3, finally coming full circle in the latest one where she's become really close with Clem after everything they've been through in the short time they've been together.
Kenny... I liked him in season 1 because he had an interesting arc. I haven't liked him in season 2 for quite a while because I'd gotten tired of him obviously being favored by TellTale over everyone despite already having a completed arc, and him being an absolute dick in episode 4 just solidified my desire to just give him his damn sendoff already.
Bonnie's cool. I've defended her from day one since it was pretty clear she wasn't approving of Carver's methods, and now she's done everything she can to make up for her part in it.
Jane was pretty cool in episode 4, but the more I think about her logic, especially in the wake of leaving behind Sarah who was fucking screaming for help and clearly didn't want to die, the more I think it's not about "leaving behind those who don't want to fight", and more about the Carver/Crawford-esque bullshit of "they won't help you, so let them die". It's just a confused set of ideals to me.
Sarita had potential like most of the characters, and was just made to make Kenny feel sad all over again. Ridiculous.
Luke was always boring to me, so I'd put him on a neutral list too.
Mike is a really cool dude. He's strong, humorous, and just in general does the right thing when he can. I don't get the "forced black guy" crack, though. I mean, was Lee a forced black guy too? He didn't have to be black, after all. One thing TellTale has always done right is having lots of ethnic and racial diversity. Just seems silly to bring up Mike as being "forced" when you could say the same thing about almost everybody else who is of an ethnicity that doesn't tend to get featured all that much in games and aren't stereotypical, and then that would start to come off as pretty racist. Just something to think about.
But what differentiates her from Duck is that Duck's death had an impact and a reason to occur, even if it was just for the development of his father. Still, it was treated with the weight it deserved. Sarah? Not a goddamn thing. She died and nobody cared. That's just insulting to a character they bothered to build up at all, but I guess that's what happens when you don't have a consistent story planned out.
I didn't want to create a separate category just for Sarah, because i wouldn't put her in the neutral section either, so i just put her in there with the bad ones, mostly because of how they handled her in this last episode. You have a point, that she didn't really have time to "move on", i know that, but really, the story couldn't just skip forward in time in these circumstances and because of that she had to remain this weak little girl who can't do anything for herself or others... and now that i think about this, i think Telltale realized that there was no potential in this character anymore. Still, a more satisfying end would've been better for her.
In my playthrough Rebecca didn't get close to Clem, but she kept trying to do so. I wouldn't let it. I didn't hold the baby and generally acted neutral towards her. I just had enough of her.
About Jane... the only thing i also didn't like about her was that mentality about leaving people behind, alone, BUT at the same time it was understandable, since she tried so hard to keep her sister's spirit up, to make her want to live on, but failed. It must've been really hard for her and this is probably a big part of why she is the way she is now.
Mike is not an important character at all, yet since there is nobody in the group anymore who is clearly black (Rebecca was somewhat black, but i'd say she was mixed), they needed a new guy for that role. You can argue with it, but it happens everywhere.
I can understand the point they are trying to make in games and movies with always having a black character, but to me it feels forced when there is not a single moment where there is no black guy. Why do they need to force it? It would be totally fine to have an episode without a black character, nobody would say "wow, Telltale so racist for not putting a black person in there!!44". To me it feels like they must do it because people would rage otherwise... and that's sad.
I like episode 3 dramatically but I think something happened and they ended up completely changing the direction of the plot post EP2 and you can feel it throughout 3 and 4, unfortunately it means there will little development, Mike will probably be a redshirt. I just hate everyone in the group now, Jane is the only trust-able character this entire season. Sarah I liked until 4 where Telltale just got bored of her and forced her death with no reaction from anyone. I honestly just wish it ended at Season 1 now, unless there is a season 3 redemption (or they make BL or GOT great) I'm really just done with Telltale.
What most got on my nerves and I was SO agreeing with Jane's opinion...
WHY WOULD YOU FUCKING GET PREGGO DURING THE APOCALYPSE. FUCK THATS JUST BEYOND ME I DONT FREAKING UNDERSTAND. Ok, you're human you need to do the frickle frackle but use something idk I understand its not like you can go to the drug store and buy a condom - FINE;
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BUT DONT GET FUCKING PREGNANT WHEN THERES SHIT BREAKING LOOSE AND ITS THE FUCKING APOCALYPSE AND PEOPLE ARE JUST WONDERING IN THE STREETS CHOMPING ON OTHER PEOPLE.
Yeah, pretty much.
Matthew seems pretty much asian to me, now that you bring up the ethnicity thing. Clem, herself, is caucasian so it's good with the ethnicity. I like it.
Matthew? A really unimportant character. Here i'm only talking about the main characters of the current group.
I am talking about the ETHNICITY in the freaking game.
Just like i do, the difference is there are characters that are fillers for a short while and important characters. I don't even see why you are upset, other than not really getting the point.
Filler characters are often of different ethnicity and varied more, but in the main group it's mostly JUST ONE black guy, rarely an asian guy (season 1).
Yeah... sorry, but it sounds like the issue on the races of characters is on you, not TellTale and not on anybody who may or may not whine about there being no black characters. Hell, part of the whole idea of the Walking Dead universe is that old conventions don't matter anymore. You're supposed to see all these people as people, not representatives of their race. Nothing about Mike has indicated, "Look, look, a black guy", he's just there and he's just another character.
But you are the one who is zeroing in on the race and deciding it's forced. I'm not calling you racist, but I am saying that that is where racism begins. What do you think a racist says about black people becoming more prominent in the media after decades of them being relegated to terrible roles or in the background? "It's so forced, they're trying to push propaganda on us!"
It was a reflection about the ethnicity of all the characters not just the important one.
Because I know people always complain about these things, like always killing the black guy first in movies (I don't play games that much but never saw a black guy as a main character for a whole season. I think, just telltale does that? Like, I said, I don't know much about other games. There might be) and all that... And how there are always white people (natives, so americans mostly which most of them play in american movies/games etc) having the leading role.
And, as for the main characters, yeah, I know about that issue too. But hey, what can we do about it? There's always that issue... If you're from somewhere you're gonna try to make all your characters from your country and try to put here and there other ethnicities just for the sake of the "racist" commentaries.
No, you don't get it what i'm talking about. It's always just ONE black guy. Why can't there be more in a group? Or a group mostly made of black (or even asian) people? There is always this token black character (a term used for movies/series), which feels forced, no matter how you look at it.
Also, i wouldn't even care if you or anyone would call me racist. In my country there are not many black people and so being racist against them generally doesn't even exist here. So, i'm pretty sure i can look at this issue objectively here.
To be honest, it was one of the best episode in my opinion. The feels came to me so hard
Did you not get the implied tones that Carver is the father?
And that he's abusive and a stalker? And a massive creeper? And he's pretty fine exerting his will over other people?
I mean I'm pretty sure he raped Rebecca. :I
But then what does Jane do later? Offer for Luke to roll around with her.....
Oh, I dunno. It's not like the human race needs to be rebuilt anytime soon. But seriously, you want the human race to survive, have fucking babies. Apocalypse doesn't change a thing. End of story.
Rebecca and Alvin are black, regardless of how much white blood either of them have. Clementine is black, too. The baby is mixed. So you're wrong there.
Translation: littlezoe doesn't know what the fuck s/he's talking about. I'll assume you're from Europe or Canada or somewhere like that?
Clementine is black, first off.
I think this episode had the most character development and I was a fan of that. Sure I think all characters had flaws but I think that's what they are going for and although some of it is grating I like it much better than unrealistic and one dimensional characters that they seemed to be before. For example, Luke and Kenny arguing, or Kenny arguing with anyone, that gets on my nerves, but it's how some people are in real life and especially post apocalypse, the people that survive are probably not the most likable ones.
I think Sarah's role in this whole episode is to develop Clem's character. I feel that Sarah was never meant to be a standalone character. Sarah presents a dilemma to Clem time and time again: Should I protect Sarah or do something else more useful? But the writers made that too blatant and that made me not really care about Sarah.
Didn't wanna rain on any parades today, but Clem's isn't Caucasian
Alright, maybe you're being just a little too nitpicky.
One does not have to always agree with a character to still like him/her as a character, you know. I personally have this love-hate thing with Kenny. I don't like him because he's the "good one", the "best pal evar", whatever. I like him because he gets a reaction. There's been plenty of times when I just want to slap him but there's also times when I want to hug him. Kenny doesn't seem to leave almost anyone cold. Some hate him, some love him and then there's people like me who both hate and love him but rarely do I see a person who's totally indifferent about him. I may not always find him that appealing as a person but I sure as hell appreciate him as a character. Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does. Certainly not. I find him to be interesting to watch since his reactions are strong or, like you put it: unstable.
Seems like you are rating characters according to how good or useful they are. Fine if you do but that doesn't mean everyone else does and that they are all "just Kenny fanboys/girls who think he can do no wrong".
Just pointing that out.
I literally don't hate any role, but the arbitrary twists and endless unrealistic death just make them a little bit boring
I don't hate them. I just feel SO tired with most of them acting like they're younger than a 11 years old child...no, younger than the new born baby.
"now that you bring up the ethnicity thing. Clem, herself, is caucasian so it's good with the ethnicity. I like it."
You don't really believe Clem is Caucasian do you? She isn't even biracial. She's a light skinned African American. Even when she was originally planned to be Lee Everett's sister, both were African American. The only thing telltale changed from their original concept was their relationship, their ethnicity remained the same.
The walking dead character database shows the ethnicity of every character in all mediums. The governor was biracial, Glen is Asian, michone is African American and Rick is Caucasian, etc. Clem is categorised as African American on the database.
As much as it hurts to say this...
You are terribly right...
I recently was informed by a thread here that Clem is "supposed to be" black. I gotta tell ya it never occurred to me throughout all of season 1 and season 2 to this point that she was black. I didn't remember seeing this photo and, well, she just doesn't look "black" at all. I've been operating under the assumption that she was a white/Asian mix all along. Not that it matters to me, I could care less, I just think it's odd that the subject of Clem's ethnicity is one I've seen talked about quite a bit on here. I mean, not to get into too touchy a subject here but if the intention was to make Clem black then...well... shouldn't she look black?
I'm guessing the developers decided to make her as light skinned and "non black" looking as possible so that white people would play the game. Which is a sad commentary on our society to say the least.
Rebecca is mixed, Alvin is dead. Clementine as also mixed, the baby i don't care about. Your point is weak.
No, she is not.
First off, if you've never been around enough black people to get a damn good enough opinion of them, then you need to let those who have been talk and listen to them speak. I've been around plenty of them. The skin tone, which you're judging them upon, is pretty damn irrelevant when you're talking about people who could have had very dark skinned parents but have light skin or vice versa.
If you don't know their ancestry then don't talk about it. And quit flipping out everytime there's one black person in a game. There're much fewer black people in Virginia than in the deeper South like Georgia.
She was originally white, but she was made more ambiguous in her race so that people could think that Lee could've been Clem's father.
...sighs no use dealing with stubborn ignorance like yours.
i always hated sarah
really?kenny?a bad one?you should be stoned
Lol You must be joking? Mike is useless black guy/ Trying to be Luke? Are you frikkin serious?
Luke- Makes you do everything. climb up to shut off a turbine, save his hide when he falls in a hole on a bridge, Makes you sneak around to get walkie talkies.
Mike- The only one to say "Stop what are you doing? She's a little girl." Because surprise! Your a little girl!, The one who is attracted to Bonnie and hints at wanting a relationship but DOESN'T HINDER the objective. His flirting is casual while they search for supplies. Carries the water because clem can't and to impress Bonnie. Lifts you up to cut the balcony. He sleeps next to her because he cares but to keep each other WARM. He's the most considerate character.
Luke: fails at everything. Doesn't react when Nick dies (his best friend for 20 years), And while rebecca is about to give birth he sleeps with jane instead of doing his JOB, and then cares more about Jane's nonexistant relationship with him when SARAH DIED because of him.
Are you Racist, OP? who knows. but i'm wondering what kool-aid you been drinking or which game you played. Because Rebecca's character development as a nicer person and a friend to Clementine was immense. And both Rebecca and Sarah were characters with great potential that Telltale flushed down the toilet but shouldn't be hated for.