Jane or Bonnie?
Who do you think is more suited as Clem's grown up female guardian? I personally like Bonnie better because she has that maternal vibe to her like Christa but Jane is able to protect Clem better and teaches her a lot of surviving skill.
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I like Bonnie more too. She'd care for Clem more and it'd probably be a lot more fun with her. Although Clem could probably learn more from Jane but I feel like if Clem got in trouble, Jane might leave her whereas Bonnie would probably try to help her. They both seem like big sisters. Bonnies the nice one who loves her little sister while Jane the mean one who steals all the toys.
I like Jane, she is very smart especially with her survival skills, but Bonnie is nice, but wont provide protection.
I believe Jane would be better, because while she won't act as motherly as Bonnie, her and Clementine make a great team when it comes to surviving.
Bonnie's kind and would go to greater lengths to protect Clem, but she's still a little wishy-washy and weak at times. Jane is honest and more knowledgeable about surviving, but could potentially leave Clem to save her own neck. I think I'd go with Jane though, she'd do the best job of preparing Clem to survive on her own and would function more like a sister than a mom, which I think is more suited to Clem as she is now.
I really, really like Jane (I think she's probably my favorite S2 character) but she's too damaged for me to want to keep Clem around her. While there's still quite a bit of humanity left in Jane, she's mostly chosen to reject it in favor of survival. Bonnie, on the other hand, seems to embrace her humanity despite her turbulent past.
Besides, at then end of the episode, Jane has already decided to choose the pain of loneliness over the pain of seeing someone she cares about die. That's not something you're allowed to do as a guardian.
Why not both? insert "Why not both?" gif here
Because Walking Dead. The more plausible question here is "Why not neither?"
Jane. She's a proven survivalist and her pragmatic worldview is more fitting to guiding Clementine through the apocalypse. To those who suggest she'd abandon Clementine? I don't think she would. There is too much of a bond that caused Jane's reflection on her past and she sees her as something worth protecting because she has the right mindset if you pick your dialogue choices like so. I believe Jane will be back, she's going through a redemption arc. But I've been wrong before.
Jane. You know where you stand with her and I don't think she would just abandon Clem. She only left her sister because she gave up and Jane couldn't do anymore. Bonnie is nice, but I don't see her being capable of looking after herself or others and I think she panics too easy.
Of course, if I could choose anyone I'd pick Molly.
Bike/Monnie
I agree with you that Jane wouldn't abandon Clem if she saw that Clem was in need and wanted her help. But that's precisely why she left when she did. She wants to make sure that she never ends up in position where she has to choose between her own life and the life of someone she cares about, only for them to later on die anyway. I interpreted Jane leaving at the end as her rejecting her redemptive arc.
I'll have to say Jane, even though i dont really like her (i think shes a whore.) but she dose know who to survive and keep Clem safe. But also Bonnie becasue she can help her more when she starts to grow older, I also trust her more. But i also think Bonnie would keep her safe too!
Bonnie is kind and compassionate, I would like Clem to have someone like that in her life but Bonnie seems emotionally vulnerable, she's been through a lot and seems like she can just, I don't know, give in to depression if things get much more rough later (Remember Christa?).
Jane on the other is capable, a good survivalist, can teach Clem a trick or two which might save her life later. BUT if it means turning Clem into a coldand jaded person like she is, then I'll pass. I mean, don't get me wrong, I get it, Clementine cannot be a child anymore, she doesn't have that luxury in the apocalypse but still I'm trying my best to keep her as decent as I can, a person who values friendship, trust and kindness. May not be an ideal choice for everyone, but that's how I like to picture her. So If I had to pick one, I would say Bonnie.
You know what. Screw it! Bring back Molly!
That's not how I viewed it. I viewed it as Jane running away from her emotions but it really depends if she comes back in the finale episode or not if her redemptive arc is denied or not. I don't think Jane's story is done.
I personally think Bonnie would be better. Jane is more of a "Lone Wolf" and I have a feeling that if Clementine got into a bad situation Jane would leave her behind, while Bonnie would most likely do all she could to save Clem. Don't get me wrong, I like Jane. I just trust Bonnie a lot more. Plus, Bonnie gave Clem that cool jacket.
I'd personally pick Bonnie to be honest… Bonnie has screwed things up a lot in the past but you can forgive her and I have actually liked Bonnie since 400 days; if I was to pick Jane, she wouldn't want to be with Clem due to the fact on what she said, 'you know Jaime… Sarah… I'm not going to sit here and… watch it happen to you to.' (Something like that) however that shows that Jane cares about Clementine, she just doesn't want to see anything happen to Clem and She said, 'it's better to be on your own.' So she wants to be alone but Bonnie is a similar character to Christa in my opinion (I could be wrong) if it was just Clem and Bonnie I think it would be similar to Clem and Christa, Bonnie could be responsible and protect Clem but overall I'm picking Bonnie
How is Jane a whore?
I don't like Jane.. She's telling Clementine how to feel, how to think and she even lets Clem know that it's okay/good to leave your friends behind when things get hard. I just don't think Jane is right for her, Clem can decide those things for herself. I don't want Clem to become Jane. And I trust Bonnie, she won't leave Clem when things get hard and Jane would.
I like Bonnie. She's the only character I've noticed in this season who crouches down to Clem's level when she speaks to her. I think that's really important. She treats Clem like a equal, but knows she's still a kid, so she doesn't push her beyond what Clem can physically and mentally handle. Like when she thanked Clem for talking to Kenny and acknowledged how hard it was.
I love them both, but I prefer Jane.
I dont really see why she is a hore, she has the exact same reason for doing what she did as Luke has. She wanted to feel happy just a few minutes, after all the she has been trough
Jane is better she actually knows how to survive. Not saying that Bonnie doesn't but so far she really hasn't taught Clem anything useful for surviving.
I don't like Bonnie. Sure she is nice. But she is the one that captured our group with Carver, causing quite some deaths.
The fact that she survived and tagged along, doesn't mean we are family. She has ways to go until my Clem cares for her probable death.
Jane was a prisoner like us. So she didnt ask to be there. She teaches Clem how to kill a bit better, protects her, she is badass.
Its no contest. Jane wins.
Yeah I agree with you! Sure Bonnie is sorry for her part in that situation, but I liked Jane from the get go,
I love them both but if I had to pick one it'd be Jane she taught Clem how to survive.
Bonnie easily. What's the point of survival if it equates to abandoning your empathy for others in the end?
"A key that opens any lock is a master key. But a lock that is opened by any key is a piece of junk."
Food for thought.
Lol
Precisely, whats the point of Living if theres no love/feelings in your life.
Almost every suicide is comitted by people without friends and family
Or you can have the alternative:
A pencil that is sharpened too much is useless, but a pencil sharpener that sharpens lots of pencils is excellent.
I think Bonnie would be better, she seems to care a lot about Clem's well-being. Jane was a good mentor for Clem and knows how to survive better, but she is the lone wolf type.
This is a surprisingly tough call. Both characters are pretty sane and down-to-earth, and I also feel like they're both competent survivors. The two of them also a good job at keeping an eye on Clem and, as skeletori pointed out, treating her as an equal. But both characters have done some pretty stupid shit, with Bonnie's gullibility briefly landing her as part of Carver's group, and Jane's flightiness causing her to ditch the group.
So both are intelligent, competent, and most definitely goodhearted. I guess the big deciding factor for me comes down to loyalty, then. I was furious with Bonnie at the end of A House Divided, but I was proud when she decided to stand up to Carver after what happened to Reggie. I do feel that she has learned her lesson, and will remain loyal to the group. Jane, while she may be an independent thinker and a caring person, doesn't seem to be as loyal as Bonnie.
It's kind of funny, because Jane in Episode 3 was made out to look like somewhat of a sociopath, but in Episode 4 we learn that she is actually very empathetic and emotion-driven. She is terribly upset after her confrontation with Arvo, and when she leave the group, she does it mostly on emotional grounds (because she doesn't want to see Clem get hurt).
While the sentiment is appreciated, someone who truly cared about Clementine would stick around and make sure that nothing happens to her. So that's why I really appreciate the fact that after turning on Carver, Bonnie has stuck to the group and has done everything she could to help out. So my choice, as of Episode 4, is Bonnie. Liable to change, naturally, as for all I know Bonnie could leave the group in Episode 5 and Jane could come back for Clem. So we'll just have to wait and see.
I'd go with Bonnie,Jane is a mastered at survival (at least imo) but... I don't know .. she can turn on us anytime she wants even though she said she wouldn't but..... I just trust Bonnie.
Bonnie. She is very kind and motherly to Clem
That's what I like about her. Her feminine and gentle personality. I like female characters who are like that. That's why I like Clem to be around women like Katjaa, Sarita, Bonnie and Christa who are all have gentle and maternal personality.
I've always loved this alternative. Shows how absurd the whole exercise is.
Bonnie's most likely dead, and Jane's a sociopath by necessity. Despite talking all about being out for oneself, she's still reliant on using other people and makes ill-advised decisions (angering Arvo's group, having sex while a woman is giving birth, leaving Clem amid the ruins of her group) without wanting to deal with the consequences.
While I doubt it was intended, I do find it funny that she seduced both Luke and Troy before leaving them worse off. Troy's is understandable and very pragmatic (kill off a liability who no one trusts and create a distraction for the zombies), while having sex with Luke seems to be done without concern for how it might affect his group. Because, of course, SHE'LL be fine by herself. Let everyone else die.
But won't the pencil sharpener eventually dull from overuse?
I never liked Bonny. Still don't necessarily. She seems like a pushover who is always a follower. I said necessarily before because she has grown on me. I like that she cares about Clem. I like that she is helping the group. BUT she was by far my least favorite of the 400 days characters/ stories.
Either way, Jane too me would be better in all aspects if she would be able to care about the group which she is too afraid to do.