Fact: the girl who voice acted sarah in last of us is the walking dead tv series Carl's actor, Chandler rigg's girlfriend.
I read this from YouTube comments, I'm NOT a chandler riggs fan if that's what you think!
I know that philosophy very well; however, it's a lot easier to say that the needs of the many outweigh the few when the person you are looking at is a stranger. In that case, of course you want the stranger to die so that your loved ones would be saved. However, if the person is a loved one (which Ellie is Joel's daughter without blood) then I don't think that philosophy applies to you (Joel).
Furthermore, what exactly would the cure have done? The cure wouldn't bring back any of the dead zombies into real people again. It wouldn't kill all of the zombies that are still out there. The only thing it would do is to stop people from turning if they were ever exposed; however, if people were organized, smart and skilled they wouldn't turn regardless of whether or not there is a cure. Even if there was a cure and people had it, there would still be zombies roaming around and you can still just die from bleeding out from a clicker bite tearing through your artery, etc. etc.
Plus, killing Ellie wasn't a guarantee that there was ever going to be a cure. All they were doing was performing surgery so they could extract her brain and study the growths on it. Considering how everything is becoming overrun and no place is safe, it could only be a matter of time before walkers break in and the scientists are forced to flee without Ellie's brain. Or what if the samples are contaminated? What if only a specific blood type, race, gender is compatible with being immune to the spores?
There's also this to think about. Sometimes when you create a vaccine to stop a virus, the virus mutates and becomes stronger and evolves into being immune of the antidote that being are taking. Hell, for all you know creating the cure could be the catalyst for some super zombie virus.
Studying a new disease sometimes takes years to find a cure if they ever find one at all. Take a look at HIV, Cancer, Rabies, Neural and Muscular diseases. You can find mummies from ancient times that died from cancer and even though it's been around for ages there is still no cure. How long have people been studying it?
At least scientists have a decent supply of cadavers to study from. However, if Ellie is the only one in existence that is immune, there wouldn't even be enough pieces of her brain for all of the possible tests that need to be run. And since it's the zombie apocalypse and no one is making medical equipment, drugs or even transporting goods. It seems like they would just hit a dead end soon enough when they'd need a certain chemical, or maybe they'd need someone to fix a medical machine but there are no engineers around familiar with the equipment.
Killing Ellie wouldn't give them an instant magic cure. The world doesn't work like that. Science doesn't work like that. All that it would probably result in would be killing Ellie and nothing else.
Needs of many outweigh the needs of few. And, besides, evading zombies is not permanent as a a solution, a cure from the virus, however, is.… more World cannot be saved by acting careful, eventually even the most careful survivors will succumb to the world's danger.
I'm not arguing I would have personally sacrificed a loved one for the sake of humanity, probably because I wouldn't have a stomach for it, but having a cure, that would save everyone, outweighs just one life that needs to be sacrificed for it.
Wrong... Hana Hayes played Sarah in TLOU not the girl from The Walking Dead Tv series. Carl's friends name is Madison Lints who played Sophia.
Don't always believe TY comments...
I know it's the apocalypse but Ellie is only fourteen. In the states, a person isn't considered to be an adult until they are eighteen as that is supposedly the time when people are deemed mentally matured enough to make informed decisions (if you study psychology you'll learn that the average people aren't mature enough to do that until they're in their mid-twenties). Until that time, a child is under the supervision of an adult and the adult will decide what's best for that child. Children make rash decisions sometimes. Just look at how they act when they begin dating. It's nothing but "I love him/her" and it's the end of the world if they can't be with that person. Sooner or later they eventually learn that it's not the end of the world and life goes on. No matter how mature Ellie might appear, it is not fair to consider her fit to decide what to do with her own life. She doesn't have enough experience yet and to allow her to do something rash would be selfish.
On a different note, I wish Maybelle could've lived too. Poor cow!
Killing Clem for the 'character development' of Luke will just make him universally hated.
I'm convinced that episode 5 will see the prop… moreer end of Kenny, dying slowly before Clementine's eyes but allowing her and Rebecca's son to survive in Wellington. Despite resembling the Governor in looks and having a few parallels with Carver, I doubt we'll see Kenny end up becoming another community leader. His fixation on Rebecca's son shows that he hasn't learned anything from Sarita's death.
My feeling is that Wellington is a stable place run by sane people, but constantly beset by weather problems, bandit attacks, and starvation. It'd be a 'safe haven', but fit only for those strong or crazy enough to survive the journey there.
I happen to agree with this point, at least, from a personal perspective, but in greater perspective, it's still the "needs of many".
The cure is not necessarily required to bring back all the sick, mostly because they are way too mutated or already dead. It is required to preserve the lives of the survivors. Of course it wouldn't kill the all zombies/mutants outright, but it would stop new monsters from appearing, isn't that good enough? About people getting organized and stuff, it can happen, but can you account for accidents and that kind of stuff? Nobody can be completely sure, nor totally safe, regardless of their level of organization or intelligence.
I wouldn't know about that, just because I never played TLOU, I was mostly arguing over this whole philosophy. Yeah, if there was no actual plan on studying and creating the vaccine, this was unreliable and dangerous, so I wouldn't argue about Joel doing what he did.
So what if disease has been around for ages? Black plague is still around, but most of the people are no longer getting ill, because countermeasures were created. The diseases like cancer couldn't be cured in ancient times for the lack of proper treatment, which is pretty recent in comparison, but, still, it exists. I understand that the cure takes sometimes years or even longer to develop, but it does appear, the countermeasures are always developed. I'm not talking about diseases that are still incurable or viruses that often mutate and thus become immune, but countermeasures always come around.
Mostly like my third point. If the scientists couldn't do it properly due to lack of equipment, safe place to experiment, etc, then they shouldn't be doing it. It's not worth the risk, without knowing if it would pay off.
Was I talking about a "magic cure"? Was I saying that the world worked like that, or science worked like that? I happen to understand that it might take some time to do that, and it could've. Since you've argued that those scientists didn't have what was needed, and weren't completely sure about the success of the experiment, it wasn't worth it.
I know that philosophy very well; however, it's a lot easier to say that the needs of the many outweigh the few when the person you are look… moreing at is a stranger. In that case, of course you want the stranger to die so that your loved ones would be saved. However, if the person is a loved one (which Ellie is Joel's daughter without blood) then I don't think that philosophy applies to you (Joel).
Furthermore, what exactly would the cure have done? The cure wouldn't bring back any of the dead zombies into real people again. It wouldn't kill all of the zombies that are still out there. The only thing it would do is to stop people from turning if they were ever exposed; however, if people were organized, smart and skilled they wouldn't turn regardless of whether or not there is a cure. Even if there was a cure and people had it, there would still be zombies roaming around and you can still just die from bleeding out from a clicker bite tearing… [view original content]
And I'm getting annoyed by you! I'm fucking sorry okay? I misunderstood your post. I thought you were saying Hana played Sofia in the walking dead series! Hate me if you want. I don't care
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Wrong... Hana Hayes played Sarah in TLOU not the girl from The Walking Dead Tv series. Carl's friends name is Madison Lints who played Sophia.
Don't always believe TY comments...
I know that philosophy very well; however, it's a lot easier to say that the needs of the many outweigh the few when the person you are looking at is a stranger. In that case, of course you want the stranger to die so that your loved ones would be saved. However, if the person is a loved one (which Ellie is Joel's daughter without blood) then I don't think that philosophy applies to you (Joel).
Furthermore, what exactly would the cure have done? The cure wouldn't bring back any of the dead zombies into real people again. It wouldn't kill all of the zombies that are still out there. The only thing it would do is to stop people from turning if they were ever exposed; however, if people were organized, smart and skilled they wouldn't turn regardless of whether or not there is a cure. Even if there was a cure and people had it, there would still be zombies roaming around and you can still just die from bleeding out from a clicker bite tearing through your artery, etc. etc.
Plus, killing Ellie wasn't a guarantee that there was ever going to be a cure. All they were doing was performing surgery so they could extract her brain and study the growths on it. Considering how everything is becoming overrun and no place is safe, it could only be a matter of time before walkers break in and the scientists are forced to flee without Ellie's brain. Or what if the samples are contaminated? What if only a specific blood type, race, gender is compatible with being immune to the spores?
There's also this to think about. Sometimes when you create a vaccine to stop a virus, the virus mutates and becomes stronger and evolves into being immune of the antidote that being are taking. Hell, for all you know creating the cure could be the catalyst for some super zombie virus.
Studying a new disease sometimes takes years to find a cure if they ever find one at all. Take a look at HIV, Cancer, Rabies, Neural and Muscular diseases. You can find mummies from ancient times that died from cancer and even though it's been around for ages there is still no cure. How long have people been studying it?
At least scientists have a decent supply of cadavers to study from. However, if Ellie is the only one in existence that is immune, there wouldn't even be enough pieces of her brain for all of the possible tests that need to be run. And since it's the zombie apocalypse and no one is making medical equipment, drugs or even transporting goods. It seems like they would just hit a dead end soon enough when they'd need a certain chemical, or maybe they'd need someone to fix a medical machine but there are no engineers around familiar with the equipment.
Killing Ellie wouldn't give them an instant magic cure. The world doesn't work like that. Science doesn't work like that. All that it would probably result in would be killing Ellie and nothing else.
Ignore, just some stupid bull crap, sorry Rose, I don't hate you
I know it's the apocalypse but Ellie is only fourteen. In the states, a person isn't considered to be an adult until they are eighteen as that is supposedly the time when people are deemed mentally matured enough to make informed decisions (if you study psychology you'll learn that the average people aren't mature enough to do that until they're in their mid-twenties). Until that time, a child is under the supervision of an adult and the adult will decide what's best for that child. Children make rash decisions sometimes. Just look at how they act when they begin dating. It's nothing but "I love him/her" and it's the end of the world if they can't be with that person. Sooner or later they eventually learn that it's not the end of the world and life goes on. No matter how mature Ellie might appear, it is not fair to consider her fit to decide what to do with her own life. She doesn't have enough experience yet and to allow her to do something rash would be selfish.
On a different note, I wish Maybelle could've lived too. Poor cow!
no telltale said they are gonna continue with clem so she won't die but it would be an awesome scene but people would riot....
What was he supposed to learn from sarita's death
I happen to agree with this point, at least, from a personal perspective, but in greater perspective, it's still the "needs of many".
The cure is not necessarily required to bring back all the sick, mostly because they are way too mutated or already dead. It is required to preserve the lives of the survivors. Of course it wouldn't kill the all zombies/mutants outright, but it would stop new monsters from appearing, isn't that good enough? About people getting organized and stuff, it can happen, but can you account for accidents and that kind of stuff? Nobody can be completely sure, nor totally safe, regardless of their level of organization or intelligence.
I wouldn't know about that, just because I never played TLOU, I was mostly arguing over this whole philosophy. Yeah, if there was no actual plan on studying and creating the vaccine, this was unreliable and dangerous, so I wouldn't argue about Joel doing what he did.
So what if disease has been around for ages? Black plague is still around, but most of the people are no longer getting ill, because countermeasures were created. The diseases like cancer couldn't be cured in ancient times for the lack of proper treatment, which is pretty recent in comparison, but, still, it exists. I understand that the cure takes sometimes years or even longer to develop, but it does appear, the countermeasures are always developed. I'm not talking about diseases that are still incurable or viruses that often mutate and thus become immune, but countermeasures always come around.
Mostly like my third point. If the scientists couldn't do it properly due to lack of equipment, safe place to experiment, etc, then they shouldn't be doing it. It's not worth the risk, without knowing if it would pay off.
Was I talking about a "magic cure"? Was I saying that the world worked like that, or science worked like that? I happen to understand that it might take some time to do that, and it could've. Since you've argued that those scientists didn't have what was needed, and weren't completely sure about the success of the experiment, it wasn't worth it.
And I'm getting annoyed by you! I'm fucking sorry okay? I misunderstood your post. I thought you were saying Hana played Sofia in the walking dead series! Hate me if you want. I don't care