To All The Complainers
Now I try to stay away from the forums as best as I can after two weeks of every every episode, because thats when we start getting repetitive/ idiotic/ whiney threads that in no way shape or form add to the content of this forum. Now I know I am being slightly hypocritical because this thread has nothing to do with the content of the game, but it really irritates me (and I don't know why) when I come on here and I see the majority of you complaining so I felt I needed to chime in.
Episode 4 was, to me, the best episode of the Walking Dead game I have played. At the end of that episode, I put my xbox controller down and was thoroughly impressed, slightly depressed, and anxious for the next episode. I come on the forum and while many were content with Episode 4, they claim that Season 2 is inferior to Season 1 OR they don't like Season 2 OR they have huge problems with Season 2 blah blah blah etc etc etc. The main things I heard were about choices and character development.
News Flash: We have played NINE episodes of this game, if you don't realize by now that CHOICES DONT MATTER than I don't know what else to tell you. While Telltale certainly deceives a little when they say "your choices decide the game", you should know by now that they actually don't. And I don't have a problem with that AT ALL. I, and you, should play this game for the storyline. Choices only matter in marginal amounts. Clearly its easier for Telltale to produce the game when there aren't twenty different stories going on at once. Sure, it would be great if choices matter but my main point is : Choices don't take away from the actual experience of playing. FACT.
Finally, because I want to be short, people need to stop complaining about how characters are not being developed. SO many people complained how Nick died. To these people I need to ask, are you familiar with the Walking Dead series ? Obviously, you want Nick to stick around and develop (that shows how good the story is!) but you realize they only have a very limited amount of time. People are complaining about Sarita dying too with no character development. THATS THE POINT OF THE FREAKIN GAME! People die when least expected regardless of how developed they were.I understand fully that many would have liked to talk to Nick/ Sarita/ Sarah/ Jane more but by YOU complaining it shows Telltale is doing a good job at developing an interesting story!
Long story short, I personally feel that this season (storyline) was has been great. Yes, I would have liked longer episodes, more chances to explore, and everything nice but when you complain about a character dying too soon it just sounds so ironic. You play the game expecting there to be plot twists, death and that feeling of "Oh S***" but complain when its "not done correctly." As I have said before, I don't mind complaining - thats the reason the forum exists. However the MAJORITY of complaint is over stupid stuff like the above. There are very rarely any insightful threads on this forum anymore that spur good debate/ insight. I know this thread won't change anything but I just wanted to give everyone, which seems to be a lot of people, who have their complaints about Season 2 that you have no reason to be complaining with regards to the storyline.
Its one thing to say "Telltale should have done this" but people are saying "Telltale was wrong for doing this." Make up your minds people. As for me, you can find me complaining in the released date discussion about how terrible Telltale is at releasing episodes.
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Well, now we have just as many ''Stop complaining, here's why'' threads as we had Complain threads.
Most of us liked the episode, it's a minority of the forum that has been stating their negative opinions here.
I agree any complaining that is done is usually stuff that's shouldn't affect how good an episode is.
please put a tag but it's a game yes, it's a interactive point and click game so interacting and getting to know characters are necessary and shouldn't be skipped. Now, season 2 is more like a movie.. come on now. What choices actually matter? Do we really get to know all characters? hubs? hugs?
still like it and buying episode 5.
Okay
It is more like a movie but the "What choices actually matter" excuse isn't a good one, they never mattered to begin with.
I'm still waiting for "Stop making complaining threads, here's why (rant)"
There's no difference between a complain thread and an anti-complain thread. It's the exact same argument.
The only difference is which side started the argument.
So, ehm, congrats on creating something you hate?
Stop complaining about people complaining, until someone starts complaining about it.
I liked Episode 4, it's one of the best this season. However, I find Russians there completely distasteful, stereotypical and overall poorly done. I made a thread, but maybe I shouldn't have since the main thought of your thread is "don't complain".
well telltale needs to stop making that their motto. And 1 choice mattered from season 1.
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whatever you told her, determined if she cusses in season 2 so ya choices did kinda matter but no not anymore
I'm hoping Nickie Breckon does a good job on 205 so that everyone complaining about S2 will stop.
With a thumbnail like 204, you don't what to expect other than "This one is gonna be good" but i was upset that the thumbnails are useless.
Especially 204's. I thought 204's thumbnail was foreshadowing all the deaths Clementine has caused. And she thinks all those people's blood is on her hands.
That was off topic. But i think you made some good points here. But i think since the 2/3 weeks since Amid The Ruins has been released that all these threads should just be merged into a debate on S2 thread.
No. The reason people are upset is because of the falsity of it all. Choices not mattering does take away from the experience when the whole appeal of the game is basically based off of it being the game adapting to the choices that you make. Now don't get me wrong, I understand that it can't always go on completely divergent paths, but it's not even close to what people are wanting. There are barely any callbacks to how you act/what decisions you make. I honestly can't think of one meaningful choice at this point. Completely linear. Just because you don't have a problem with this does not mean that other people aren't going to get frustrated when what is advertised does not appear.
Being angry at a character death does not mean that Telltale is doing a good job with their characters. It would be different if people were saying, "wow I'm so upset Nick died he was such a great character", but they aren't. Rather, they are saying "wow I can't believe that they would waste Nick's potential like that". We are upset that Telltale is seemingly just throwing out characters, and not upset because we were attached. I get that people seemingly "die whenever", but this is also a story. It needs to follow some type of archetypal story format with their characters. Take Nick and Ben for example. If you let Ben drop, he dies, but if you don't, he later goes on to redeem himself and change (some) players views on him. If you let Walter be angry at Nick, Nick dies, but if you manage to keep nick alive for later in the story, then what happens? Oh wait, he just dies. It creates a an environment where characters are just completely pointless if you are expecting them to die all the time.
Also, what is the point of having a wait between episodes if they are just going to completely shut out criticisms/input from their fanbase? Remember the whole SaveNick tag between the end of episode 2 and start of episode 4? So many people were for Nick surviving, or at least getting some kind of meaningful death, but what he ends up getting is extremely less that satisfactory.
Now, this is not to say that I don't enjoy this Season at all, because sometimes I do, but I also see reasons in the complaints. We have some right to be angry.
Episode 4 Amid The Ruins was good for some people, bad for others and in between to the rest. When people complain about or back up the episode, what they say is solely based on their opinions, I do dislike the fact that episode 4 has become a battlefield where people who dislike it and people who like it, fight on, but they have the right to share their opinions about why they dislike or like it, but I just wish we could just bypass this ongoing argument before it worsens.
I think its the fact complaning on here does very little email or even pm a TTG staff if you really want to help season 2 and most complaining or critism by now are just recycled from old threads. Things like making a thread complaning Nicks bad death is getting old.
I agree with you that threads like this are annoying! Thats why I put a mini disclaimer in there. BUT to say that its a minority is flat out wrong ! Look at the thread thats formerly known as Shame on telltale or the other one floating around now. They have more likes than dislikes.
What? Clearly you don't read, I said I know I am being hypocritical flat out in the first 3 lines.
And also its literally the exact opposite argument. . . kind of the point in an argument.
Yeah, probably, but still social media is the biggest and easiest outlet to complain/critique on, so it is to be expected.
Hmm another one who clearly doesn't read.
Pretty clearly said "I don't mind complaining" - never singled out your thread either so calm down buddy.
Just because they aren't responding doesn't mean they aren't reading.
My whole point is I don't understand how anyone can dislike the general storyline of Episode 4. Like I understand you may have preferred Nick to live but the whole point of him dying (and dying in a anti climatic way) is because of the freakin Walking Dead story! The whole point of this video game is to become attached, when any character that you liked/ is good dies people SHOULD feel upset because thats the point of the game.
Not for me I told her manure and she still says swears
Except the comics only killed off one (minor) character off-screen. Otis the racist farmhand.
You're missing the point I think. I think a lot of people are not getting it either considering the responses. What I am saying is that the complaints regarding the storyline and actual content are very misguided as many are complaining about the thing that makes this game so good imo.
also forgot to add if you kept cursing in front of her.
So you are saying a choice of whether Clem curses or not is actually an important carry through choice? If so, I think we are on different pages. I am talking about choices that critically affect the storyline. Like someone dying or leaving the group. Not a mere choice of words that are insignificant.
I can understand why people wouldn't like the general storyline of episode 4, Nick living would have helped impact the episode a bit more, such as if Nick survived episode 2, then in episode 4 the choice between Sarah could have made Nick a double determinant, such as saving Sarah causes Nick to get grabbed and eaten by the Walkers. The whole point of the video game is not just to become attached to characters, and not every character is attachable or likeable, the whole point of the game is based on decision making, your choices are meant to affect the player more than the game, characters play a role in that, but just because you are attached to a character doesn't necessarily mean that you should feel upset if they die, I know some people who had favourite characters that died, but they didn't feel very upset about the deaths at all, the majority of players' main focus is the well being of the main character, the whole point of the game is survival and how you survive is based off the decisions you make.
THANK YOU,its about time someone said this
I think everyone who didn't like the episode disliked this. But well said man, i couldn't have worded it better.
You also specifically stated that it irritated you to see so many people complaining, so...
Did I say that? No. The guy said that no choices matter at all, so I gave him a choice that did matter.
and tbh i forgot what this thread was about but other than that choice,choices don't matter or anything you do really. At the end all stories are literally the same
Wooow a thread COMPLAINING about people complaining xD people are on their Inception shit on this forum.
They do matter, at least in season one. Choosing Carley or Doug decides which one will survive and makes for completely different subplots. Choosing whether to kill Larry or help save him affects how characters treat you (if you kill him, Lilly won't save you from Andy, and if you spare him, Kenny won't save you from the walkers in Episode 3). How you treat Kenny in general affects whether or not he joins you to find Clementine. Sure, the big major ones (whether or not you want to steal from The Stranger's car, for example, or whether you attempt to save Duck or Shawn Greene at the farm) don't make a difference, but that's more because they can't write several completely different games. Even so, they usually do make a difference in terms of how different characters interact with you.
That's probably because the OP made some great points. I loved the episode, but i gave a like because i agreed with him.
OP it's fine if your a fan of B-Rated Cinema, but for the love of god don't go around making these stupid "Complaining about People Making Complaints" threads.
Talk about wasting space...
Episode 4 was the best episode you've played? I don't mean to criticize an opinion but come on! I can think of better episodes in this season, let alone the entire series. I could get into why you're wrong, but I'll let the downvotes speak for themselves that you're indeed in a minority.
I think some of the people comments sound like they are "complaining" more than the threads....this is to me though.
Not really saying this to disagree, but there's a bit of a difference between the comics and the game. You're firmly rooted in Clementine's point of view, so you can only see what she sees.
Of course, the answer is to have her see everyone die if that's the issue rather than 'how' they died, but that is something I won't touch at all.
TTG do you see what is happening to us. We start complaining about complaining XD
One word: Opinion.
Seriously do people read? Like I know many on here are on a third grade reading level but like why comment if you don't read the post? Ahh gotta love the internet.
Guess what? No one urged you to comment so now YOU are complaining about someone complaining about complaining. THATS inception.
R u kidding? Waste of space? lolololol hey pal take a good look at the threads in the forum right now. Seriously go look before you comment back. Ill wait. . .
Talk about a waste of space. This thread is not, however, a waste of space. If the people complaining like 4 year olds about why their favorite character died without being developed, how is THIS a waste of space?