Why Telltale Laughed With Greg Miller
Listen guys I know a lot of people are upset that Telltale laughed along with Greg when he said he wanted Sarah dead and she was a liability. Well what else are you supposed to do in that situation? If they argued against it it would put them on bad terms with IGN, one of the BIGGEST source of news. Not to mention its jjst plain awkward. Telltale gets basically free advertising by the interviews because sometimes random people stumble upon it and try the game out. They have to put up with Greg's bullshit and his complete lack of humor. Its just not good business practice to be on bad terms with a news source. And if you notice at the beginning they even say "Well why?". They were going to argue but caught themselves and started laughing along. Also, if they really agreed with Greg they would've laughed a longer duration and would've been smiling more instead of a quick burst of laughter then immediate silence. You could tell for the most part they were faking their laughs. So don't blame Telltale, blame Greg #FuckGregMiller
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They weren't laughing with him. They were laughing at him.
Here's the link to the Playing Dead Interview BTW http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/08/09/whyd-they-have-to-die-the-walking-dead-season-2-episode-4
Sorry but I don't buy it.
They did not make a move to defend her. They could have talked about her character in defense to Greg's view without being awkward about it or endangering their relations or whatever. Instead they chose to laugh along and parrot back whatever he said in agreement, making jokes and laughing about it. They did not make a move to treat it as a sad moment in the story, it was just "Sarah's finally dead, LOL!" They can't even defend their own character. There's really no excuse for that.
This gif... It's...it's... beautiful
Maybe if Greg Miller had actually given them a chance to talk in this so-called "interview" we'd have a better understanding on how they actually felt. But for now, all I saw was them laughing along with him.
I saving this for later use. I'm sure it will come in handy soon ^_^
This is quite sad actually.
So is "playing dead" about interviewing greg miller?
That interview is my turning point against the company. When the writers themselves show gleeful disdain for vulnerable characters and laugh along with some man-child, I'm pushed to think bad things about their own personality. Do they honestly believe that life has no room for people who are depressed, anxious, socially awkward, or simply nice? Real life is full of those kinds of people who can go on to thrive.
It's only in grim-dark, ultra-violent misery porn that the social darwinist mindset prevails. I don't want to abuse Godwin's Law, but the "only the cold-blooded guys survive" train of thought is one that doesn't need to be encouraged.
Is it just me or is there a chance that they killed Sarah off because of this? I mean IGN gave it a 9/10 or something right? Which also probably has something to do with Sarah's death. Why do people dislike Sarah? She is one of the more realistic and interesting characters in my opinion...
Actually they gave the episode a 6/10 which is bullsh*t if you ask me.
Because young white dudes living in luxury love to fantasize about themselves being ice cold gangstas and disregarding society's restrictions. The existence of depressed man, of vulnerable girls, or of even having to empathize with a vulnerable little girl, distresses them and ruins their fantasy of being a "badass".
Tough luck. If America ever was to be destroyed, most of these guys will be in the same position Ben was in.
It wouldn't hurt Greg if he would shut the fuck up for a minute and listen to other people.It's an interview,after all.
I miss AJ Locassio
It wasn't even an interview, it was Greg Miller talking to himself and not actually, you know... interviewing. The shit with Sarah that everyone is upset about- in a real interview, opinions would be exchanged on such a topic, he would be asking the writers what the intent was behind her death, what they thought it meant for the character. Instead we get him furiously reveling in a teenage girl who was panicking and got violently killed with no narrative payoff or reasoning. If there was a narrative reasoning, we should've learned about it in this "interview" but alas, it was just the "Greg Miller Loves the Sound of His Own Voice" Show.
It makes me hope that this is all leading up to a grand prank Telltale is playing on him. But that won't happen.
The irony is that a chubby, wannabe sadist like Greg would more likely end up acting like Troy than Luke.
6/10? I find that rather outrageous, I bet if Sarah lived that would probably be lower :C, tbh I don't really care for IGN much at all, their opinions are solely theirs.
I agree with you and would hope for that desperately, but I don't see what being chubby has to do with him being scum. I'm chubby. We can all insult him in a myriad of ways without bringing those kinds of things into it hopefully.
Oh, sorry about that. But I've been chubby before. :P My point is that Greg isn't exactly the ideal survivalist himself, so it comes off as pretty hypocritical of him to judge who's worthy of survival and who isn't. Besides, he's got the same vision problems that Sarah has!
Not even Troy, he at least lived a long time. Greg would die in the first few hours.
I assumed that Troy was caught in Howe's Hardware when the apocalypse hit, and was living in relative safety until then. However, the power fantasy of being able to use a gun and boss people around appealed to a skinny geek like him.
Aaah, I see, gotcha. That's true. The people who talk the loudest about being able to survive TWD's scenario, compared to less fortunate characters they dislike, always seem to have their own specific issues that would be just as detrimental to survival, and seen as liabilities if they themselves were characters in the game. But they ignore that of course to live out their puerile power fantasies where they're the strongest and most capable and everyone else is deadweight, I guess.
Um, I think it's more of a case that they recognize they're talking about fictional people.
they laughed along because they seem like awkward guys and it would be even more awkward to stare blankly at the host while he was laughing like a doofus
And they then go on to talk about how clever it was to include the option to slap Sarah, because obviously everyone would find it awesome to hit a grieving girl but be pissed off that doing so would mean they'd have to deal with the consequences of having her around. (Never mind that Sarah doesn't actually become a burden for the rest of her short screen-time.)
Maybe it's just me, but I don't need to see more awkward excuses at why it's okay to hit kids. Or to hit women. Or hit young women.
they just said they were surprised about the amount of people who were glad they had an option to slap Sarah just for the sake of hurting her, and even more so at the people who wanted to slap and THEN leave her
they were just surprised, they never said it was a good thing
Me too. At least this guy wasn't a giant asshole. Damn, I hope Greg Miller sees what we're saying and how much he fucked up.
This whole thing is just confusing to me. I have never understood the logic of "I dislike this character so I want to see him/her die brutally", but maybe that's just me. As for Sarah, yeah, she was a troubled girl, but why would anyone want her to die just because of that? Let alone gleefully celebrate her death? I mean, it's not like she has done some god awful thing, she was just...troubled.
they faked a laugh just like me in school if someone tells me a stupid or bad joke.
I thought they laughed because Greg Miller was so blatantly honest about it. Usually people will say something like "Well, the group!" or "I thought Jane might die!", and Greg Miller actually did afterwards, but the first thing he said was "She annoyed me, so she died". They're usually aiming for emotional investment and they might've thought it was funny how much they failed in Greg's case.
to be honest as far as emotional investment is concerned, they seem to have failed epically with Sarah. The amount of hate on her is insane.
but that has more to do with the actual playerbase than them. I guess they genuinely didn't expect people to be this hateful towards a disabled girl. They wanted the choice to leave Sarah to be emotional and difficult, but most players are actually cheering for her death [which is disturbing to me]
Most people don't even seem to realize she has a mental issue and think she's acting "stupid" because she wants to.
As a psychology student this whole Sarah hatred thing is extremely cringe-worthy to me
"It's awesome how we failed our job!"
Ok, now that you mentioned you're a psychology student, do you mind explaining me what disability does Sarah have? Because I still think she just shy, sheltered and traumatized (she probably knows more than she tells you). Hell, as much as I'd like to think I'd be more badass than Darryl in a ZA, I see myself probably reacting like Sarah, denying the world and completely unable to cope with it. I want to clarify I liked Sarah. At first I was like "meh", but, after episode 3, I actually wanted to protect her.
Now, I've heard people saying she has an intellectual disability, which I just never really saw... Most of her reactions can be justified (in my highly unprofessional opinion) by weakness, fear, denial of reality and how traumatized she is. The other one I keep hearing is Asperger's and, well, that's a tricky one. I still don't exactly get when someone has Asperger's. For instance, Wikipedia says you have difficulty in social interactions and nonverbal comunication and show repetitive patterns in both behaviour and interest. This definition is vague enough for me to have fit in it when I was younger (with the exeption of the nonverbal communication), if you push its limits far enough, yet I've been to shrinks who not once considered this.
I met one guy in my life who had Asperger's, and he struck me as someone excessively shy, with a very noticeable lack of social skills, far beneath Sarah's. I know Asperger's has a big spectrum of possibilities and this certainly doesn't rule out Sarah or anyone, but that was my experience.
I sincerely apologize for the walls of text, and this isn't a rant. I'm just curious as to what people mean with "Sarah's disability", because it's never fully explained by anyone and I can't help but think that a disability of any kind should be far more limiting and noticeable (I may be wrong, of course). I know most people here know about as much as I do about psychology, which is why I'm asking you, a proud (pun intended!) psychology student. If you know nothing about this (you could have started studyig yerterday, for all I know XD), then... well, guess I apologize again
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The title of the playing dead episode was misleading as hell "why they have to die?" was never discussed properly. It could have been a chance for some Telltale employees to give their perspective on the things they did in this episode. Instead it was all about Greg Miller's choices, his shitty reasons for making them, and some out-of-date ratios with the staff just humoring him. Telltale leave IGN for the walkers they aint good for nothing.
Started my game up to check the ratios, unless my game is reading me off wrong data, their information is way out of date. Makes me wonder if they didn't even actually check it and just nicked it from one of the wikias or something.
Greg Miller is a Tool, how dare he talk about my Ben!
Forgive me in advance for my English, since I am not a native.
She seems to have spectrums of anxiety disorder, in particular panic disorder and separation anxiety disorder.
She possesses a number of symptons:
Panic disorder:
Separation disorder:
Both of these are treatable through therapy only [no need of medicines,if they're not available], while the latter could have most certainly been entirely Carlos' fault for coddling and sheltering her too much. Excessively coddled / sheltered children and teens often develop separation anxiety. Sarah could indeed have become a functioning member of the group. Her dad was the biggest idiot in this story.
I don't believe she is intellectualy challenged , given how she has enough perception to be completely aware and upset over how her dad shelters her,how she knows whether Clementine was forced to watch her in the forest, how she realizes Luke and Jane were going to leave her to die, and how she's also sharp enough to tell whether Clementine is lying to her when being comforted. She is also not as oblivous to how the world is out there as Carlos says, since she is aware that she must start learning how to protect herself if she wants to survive and asks Clementine to help her,and that she must not tell Carlos about it.
Her behaving like a 12/13 year old instead of 15 is simply the result of her father's intense sheltering ever since the apocalypse started, which would have been her age when it happened. As a result she never "grew" past that age.
Nice observations. I'd also like to add that Sarah was at least socially savvy enough to realize, if you stay silent in your first encounter, that she's making you feel uncomfortable.
I just hope that, if there is a Playing Dead for S3, THERE'S NO GREG MILLER.