Luke Does Care, He Cares About Everyone More Than Anyone Else In The Group
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So people are saying Luke is a heartless bastard who gave zero fucks about Nick being killed and didn't care that he put everyone else at risk when he was banging Jane and all that but that isn't true. I guarantee you that when Luke heard about Nick he wanted to mope in the corner and cry his eyes out, I mean the very first question Luke had when Jane and Clem showed up is "Wheres Nick?!" and he looked devastated when he found out he died but Luke knew that if he was selfish and put his feelings before others, Clem, Jane, and Sarah would die, they needed Luke desperately and without him they would have never made it, now people will say "Well this isn't true because Luke put sex before the safety of others" well can you blame him? he ALWAYS put others before him, give him a break, not to mention, he admitted that he fucked up and actually took responsibility for his actions, you want to know who never does that and gets off scott free? Kenny! yes everyones favorite character who they follow blindly, if anything hurts Kennys feelings he sits around moping and doing nothing to help, remember when Lee couldn't find Clementine in S1E4? Kenny was pissed drunk not giving a shit about where she was, but its okay because its Kenny right? oh and then he does that again in S2E4 when Sarita dies, the group is all fucked up, needs food, water, and shelter and what does Kenny do? sits around crying and not helping out except for killing a couple walkers and helping deliver a baby, then he blames an eleven year old girl for everything that went wrong yet he still remains a fan favorite.
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"I care about Survival" - Luke
I think, correct me if I'm wrong.
I'd agrue that Clem, Bonnie, and Mike care more.
Yes I can blame him and I think Jane would like to have a world with you about him "putting other's before him"
Clem caring is determinant, based on player choice, yes Mike and Bonnie do care, i never said they didn't, I suppose I could have titled this thread a bit better as it somewhat turned into a Luke vs Kenny thing
That line was taken out of context in the trailer to anticipate hype, yes he did say he just wants to survive but he said he wanted to pick the right side, as Kenny likely wont be able to protect them and is a danger to them (think about it, if Kenny didn't beat Carver and instead just shot him, they would have been out faster and it would be likely that Carlos was still alive)
Are you one of those persons who blame Sarah for her father's death, because she was freaking out? Because it sounds like it. It's no one's fault.
This is just me, but I don't blame Sarah for what happened at all. However, I do think Kenny was far more responsible for the escape going to hell than she was. I rewatched the end of episode 3, and Tavia's group does not show up to shoot at the group until seconds after Jane shoots Troy, meaning had Kenny not held everyone up and got them caught by Troy, the group would've been able to escape with no casualties.
I'm saying that those accusations are similar.
"Because Kenny took too long to kill Carver, Carlos died"
"Because Sarah freaked out, Carlos died"
I never mentioned Sarah so I have no idea where you got the whole "Are you blaming Sarah for her dads death?!" statement, but whatever. and even if I was saying that, theres no way it was Sarahs fault because she freaked out after he died....
Episode 1. Kenny saves Lee's life no matter what.
Episode 2. Kenny figures out about the cannibal ranchers and suspects them. Where the majority are kind of non-caring.
Episode 3. Kenny gets the RV working and takes over the Train once it can run.
Episode 4. He goes looking for a boat. Goes to Crawford and gets gas. Fixes up the boat they find.
Episode 5. Sacrifices his life to try and help another person.
Episode 2. Offers shelter to Clem and their group after 5 days of hiking.
Episode 3. Takes the blame for Clem and gets beaten upside the head, possibly causing brain damage.
Episode 4. Delivers a baby despite the fact he's physically and emotionally a fucking wreck.
I'm not saying he's better or equal to Luke. But Kenny tends to do some good shit alot of the time, even when he does bad things. And can you blame him for being boozed up? His CHILD and WIFE just died a day or two ago. And they just had to kill a child in the attic. And he's still moving and helping where he can. Now his GIRLFRIEND died and Kenny said stupid and bad things. You don't have to forgive his actions, but they're completely understandable given how utterly stressed he is.
I'm saying that the accusations are similar.
"Kenny took too long to kill Carver, that's why Carlos died"
"Sarah freaked out, that's why Carlos died"
By that logic, I blame Troy for showing up when we we're about to walk into the herd.
Yeah, like how he didn't want to leave Kenny at Carvers ca-oh wait.
Like how he put aside his selfish needs to look out for zombies in episode fou-oh wait.
Like how he never he always stays near the group and never randomly disappears... Oh wait.
Like how he cares so much about Nick that he reacts all torn up and-Oh wait.
Yes Kenny does do SOME good things but to be reasonable, a majority of his good actions are determinant and based off if he likes you or not, I understand he is going under emotional stress and is insanely depressed but the main point of this thread as to show that Luke is better than Kenny as when Luke is put under emotional stress and depression he can push on and still do a hell tone of work for the group and save multiple lives at once
See, the difference with blaming Sarah and Kenny is that Sarah’s endangering the group by screaming was a gut reaction, something that happened by no choice of hers as a reaction to her father’s sudden and brutal death. In Kenny’s case, he fully knew that the group had no time for his dramatics. Everyone told him that “we have to go”, “just shoot him”, “we don’t have time for this”. He knew that they were in a time sensitive situation, yet he willingly and consciously chose to delay their escape to indulge in his own unnecessary bloodlust.
"I'm makin' time" my ass, Kenneth
Who's life did Luke save, exactly?
Luke ran across an entire state just to rescue his friends. QED.
But then decided it was better to get his dick wet.
.....ANOTHER Luke vs Kenny thread? Oh joy.
CLEMENTINE'S. You remember how he and Pete were the ones who got her out of the forest in episode 1? He also does kind of help keep Sarah alive until Jane and Clem come along in episode 4.
If he really wanted revenge, just shoot him in the crotch and have free zombie bait.
Luke is a guy who can't kill dogs.
Kenny is a guy who can't kill the family dog.
Hmm, that sounded way more clever in my head.
Anyway, as long as you're Kenny's bitch you've got nothing to worry about.
Nice, I see what you did there.
i know man im done with these threads
Eh, being Kenny's dog just means you die and he gets a new one.
Luke is a guy who had sex when people are about to die
kenny is a guy who helped bring the baby while he was physically and emotionally wreck.
Hmm, that sounded way more clever in my head.
Anyway, as long as you give luke some sex you've got nothing to worry about.
get a job.
Woops! Another Luke vs Kenny Thread! I'm out.
Luke does care, I agree, but he doesn't know how to help people. He wants to be a leader and take responsibility, but he gets overwhelmed and frustrated and frantic. He doesn't intend to be malicious, but that doesn't change the fact he's done some problematic things.
Clem, a few times, Jane, Sarah, as well as the insanely courageos task of getting to and inside Carvers base, he also helped take down Carver and theres many more i cant think of now
Dot tell me you one if those who say "oh he wanted to leave kenny behind at carvers" what part of "im playing devils advocate" is hard to get? I guess you also forgot how he kept saying they should rest yet people keep insisting to leave, I don't care about the others but that one can't be used gainst him
What does he do thats problematic? I understand he put the group in danger for sex but other than that hes only helped, some people may say that he also messed up when trying to sneak food from Carver but he traveled across the state without food and hardly any water, he NEEDED that food/water
Scream at Sarah while she's having a panic attack and constantly patronize his supposed best friend of twenty years because he associates Nick's depression with being childish?
Luke doesn't know how to deal with people like them. He means well, but he does more harm than good. Trying to coddle/protect Nick by telling him to lie to Walter is what can get Nick killed in episode 2.
In all fairness he's at his wit's end and he is trying, but that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't properly understand how to handle them.
So one mistake completely invalidates his past heroics? By that logic, anything good Kenny did was negated the second he made any kind of mistake (abandoning Shawn, shooting Jonny even when Clem warned him not to, leading to Walter's death, refusing to put a suffering Sarita out of her misery, etc.)
although i did make this thread, I upvoted this picture because it made me laugh xD
Well he had been trying for hours to get Sarah to listen and they were swarmed by zombies and Sarah wouldn't keep quiet, she was endangering both of their lives so he probably resorted to yelling at her, Luke will mention that he told Sarah that Clem and the others were okay so its likely his first approach was calm and gentle and I don't really see how he patronizes Nick
In all fairness Luke didn't know a thing about Walter and for all he knows, Walter could have shot Nick right on the spot after finding out, in a typical situation it would be smarter to lie because most people are not as nice as Walter, especially over two years into the apocalypse
I understand most of what you're saying but I think Luke has been doing a pretty good job at helping the group and is worthy of taking one of the more head positions in the group
Ignore the dislikes, i forgave luke, because kenny reacted to his situation by yelling at clem, luke with sex. They're both similar situations, just different reactions to their emotional traumas, so if i can forgive one i can forgive the other. At least for this situation.
So for everyone who forgave kenny for yelling at clem, including me, we can just as easily forgive luke,
he never was my favorite he is like a school yard bully i hate people like that and my clementine doesn't like kenny she told luke that in episode 2 at the dinner table
Calling him a "kid", telling Clementine he "doesn't trust Nick to tie his own shoes", not allowing him to go on the bridge when Nick said he was fine, saying "Are you kidding me? If Clem could do it, you can too" when Nick was scared of going into the herd... Luke clearly cares about Nick but he sees him as more of a responsibility than a friend after Pete's death, and didn't really know how to handle that, so he just grew easily frustrated with him and tried to coddle him/talk down to him instead of letting him make his own decisions.