agree with this too because Kenny said he wanted to be left alone for awhile yet Clem still tries to talk to him. They shouldve just waited for him to cool down before trying to talk to him
I consider myself a Kenny Moderate. I disliked how he acted in Season 1, because i sided with Lilly, and got angry Kenny. I like his charact… moreer a lot, his pissyness is much more natural than nice guy Luke, even though i do like Luke's meltdown after sexing up Jane.
Whatever man, all your justifications to try making his actions reasonable relies on assumptions of a POSSIBLE event that could happen, when it MOST LIKELY wouldn´t happen.
You did the same to justify him killing Johnny at the lodge: Why the hell would Carver tie and subdue the group just to kill all of them, or at least some of them, after? Because that´s what you said it could be in Kenny´s mind. If that´s was his intention Carver already would´ve killed right away instead of taking the risk of keeping them alive and suffer their possible rebellion, wouldn´t he? You will probably say that they could be after sacrificed in some kind of ritual before each one of them are executed, right? Ridiculous.
I´m done, me and most people are not buying your bullshit at all.
I didn´t mean that those statements are condradictory, i meant that you´re trying to say that he wasn´t SO reckless when he OBVIOUSLY WAS.
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My god. I didn't say that you said that the statements were contradictory, I was simply saying that the statements can go hand in hand because they do not contradict each other. Throwing a hissy fit over using both words is ridiculous.
My concern here was the gradation: "little" became "not completely"
Lets try and make this easier for you. What is another phrase or word for "not completely". How about "incomplete"? Let's take a look at the definition. We'll keep it very basic.
Incomplete: "Not complete". "Lacking a part"
Obviously when I say Kenny was a little reckless, that means he was not completely reckless... considering "a little" in this form obviously means to a small extent or lesser degree. So while Kenny's actions were reckless to a small (or little) extent, they wer… [view original content]
Whatever man, all your justifications to try making his actions reasonable relies on assumptions of a POSSIBLE event that could happen, when it MOST LIKELY wouldn´t happen.
Who are you to say what is likely and what is not likely? Again, without hindsight there is no way of knowing the possible outcomes. And even if there was, that doesn't mean Kenny should have taken his chances.
Why the hell would Carver tie and subdue the group just to kill all of them, or at least some of them, after?
Are you talking about the truck incident or the ski lodge incident..? It is honestly impossible to tell what you're talking about here, as you're being incredibly vague. I'll assume you're talking about the ski lodge incident, as I never said anything about Carver killing anyone in my explanation of the truck incident. If you are talking about the truck incident though, please go back and re-read what I said to you as your statement here does not make any sense.
The captured members of the group were obviously being used as bait to round everyone up. That is why Carver was torturing Carlos in the first place. If Kenny gives up, the captured members of the group have served their purpose and Carver can do away with them if he does not have new needs/ideas for them.
If that´s was his intention Carver already would´ve killed right away instead of taking the risk of keeping them alive and suffer their possible rebellion, wouldn´t he? You will probably say that they could be after sacrificed in some kind of ritual before each one of them are executed, right? Ridiculous.
The only thing ridiculous here is your inability to read and deliver clear and concise arguments. I still can't tell if you're talking about the truck incident or not. If you are, I'll repeat myself and say that I never said anything about Kenny thinking Carver was going to kill all of them (in that particular situation). He simply didn't want to be locked up with a mad man (who could very well end up killing them at some point).
I´m done, me and most people are not buying your bullshit at all.
Trust me, I'm not worried about it. I know there are ridiculously obstinate people like yourself out there who will never agree with me no matter what I say, even if they have literally nothing to disprove my points.
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Whatever man, all your justifications to try making his actions reasonable relies on assumptions of a POSSIBLE event that could happ… moreen, when it MOST LIKELY wouldn´t happen.
You did the same to justify him killing Johnny at the lodge: Why the hell would Carver tie and subdue the group just to kill all of them, or at least some of them, after? Because that´s what you said it could be in Kenny´s mind. If that´s was his intention Carver already would´ve killed right away instead of taking the risk of keeping them alive and suffer their possible rebellion, wouldn´t he? You will probably say that they could be after sacrificed in some kind of ritual before each one of them are executed, right? Ridiculous.
I´m done, me and most people are not buying your bullshit at all.
Whatever man, all your justifications to try making his actions reasonable relies on assumptions of a POSSIBLE event that could happen, when… more it MOST LIKELY wouldn´t happen.
Who are you to say what is likely and what is not likely? Again, without hindsight there is no way of knowing the possible outcomes. And even if there was, that doesn't mean Kenny should have taken his chances.
Why the hell would Carver tie and subdue the group just to kill all of them, or at least some of them, after?
Are you talking about the truck incident or the ski lodge incident..? It is honestly impossible to tell what you're talking about here, as you're being incredibly vague. I'll assume you're talking about the ski lodge incident, as I never said anything about Carver killing anyone in my explanation of the truck incident. If you are talking about the truck incident though, please go back and re-read what I said to you as your statement her… [view original content]
OK, now read the start of the third paragraph of my previous post and realize how much shit you are saying. "Herp derp i can´t say what situation you are talking about", you are a retard.
Ah, somehow I missed that. Weird.
Doesn't make me a retard. Get over yourself. You are in no position to be calling anyone a retard here. Seriously, I'm a "retard" because I accidentally missed a sentence? Awesome. Good call dude. Accidentally skimming over a sentence doesn't = being a retard. It happens.
COMMOM SENSE can tell what is most likely to happen and what is not
Nope. There is no way to know what Carver was going to do with the hostages. You can't pretend otherwise. It is a completely opinionated argument based on absolutely nothing. Seriously, please try to explain to me how it is possible to use common sense in that situation to predict what was going to happen or not happen.
And even if one outcome is more likely than the other that doesn't mean you should just take your chances. Based on your logic, you should be totally fine with taking a ride on an airplane that only has a 40% chance of crashing compared to a 60% chance of not crashing. The plane is more likely not to crash than to crash, so by your logic deciding not to take a ride on the airplane is stupid. #logic
If Carver would kill everyone, why Kenny give up when Clem/Sarita is the next victim?
Kenny gave up because he couldn't bring himself to see Clem/Sarita die. If he didn't end the fight immediately, it meant their certain demise. At that point he decided to take his chances with giving up instead. He didn't really have any choice at all at that point, because if Carver killed them he wouldn't have had anything left to fight for anyway. Carver forced his hand.
He should have keep shooting until Carver and his gang was killed, regardless of who dies or how many people dies from the group then, if he kept his reckless mentality, but when a life that he cares about is in game he realizes how reckless he was being and decided to take the safer way by giving up.
This is totally wrong, for reasons I just explained above. If Clem and Sarita were killed he would have had nothing left to fight for. It wasn't about him realizing he was being reckless. There is absolutely nothing that shows Kenny was being reckless in this situation. This is irrefutable.
You are not worried about most people, not just me, buying your bullshit? Really? What was the point of this topic then?
That isn't what I meant at all. I'm simply not worried about you telling me most people don't believe what I have to say. I never said anything about not caring if most people believe me or not. 60+ people seem to have gotten something out of what I have said here. Again, I'm not worried.
And even if my opinion was/is not popular, that doesn't mean my opinion is incorrect by any means.
From what i know it was to lighten the hate towards Kenny justifying his recklessness and hipocrisy, but you actually made the opposite effect with your awful excuses...
Means absolutely nothing coming from you. Thanks though. You still haven't proven any of my points wrong.
I don't know if you realize this, but sitting here making 100% opinionated and baseless arguments does not prove any of your points at all. It would be one thing if you were skeptical, but you are actually trying to tell me my opinions are wrong and stupid without actually bringing anything to the table to prove me wrong. It is also convenient how you pick and choose what points to reply to, and often leave several unanswered when you have no counter argument that you can make.
Many people are saying that Kenny doesn't care for Clem, well just remember that Kenny pretty much sacrificed his eye for protecting Clem. I'm surprised many people haven't yet picked up on this.
option #1. As much as I'd like to blame it on bad writing, I do think it was just him lashing out in the midst of his grief. It should be no surprise to any of us that Kenny responds to loss with anger. The things he says are hurtful and uncalled for, no doubt about that. But that doesn't make him irredeemable in my eyes. I've never had my Clem take any offense to Kenny's words/actions, because I know he's not thinking clearly, nor does he mean them.
Since this is a Kenny thead, I'd like to hear you guys' reactions to Kenny flipping out on Clem even if she didn't even touch Sarita. I'm a … moreKenny fan, by the way. This is not a question promoting Ken hate or anything. Logically, we can look at this two different ways. Let's get to it.
* Option #1: Do you think it was just Kenny being Kenny? We all know Ken. Most of the time, if not always, he will attempt taking out his frustrations on someone else. He has a lot of flaws. This, however, is why some of us love him.
* Option #2: Bad writing, maybe? I've seen users suggest Telltale pulled a lazy move here. Backing their arguments up with the Arvo situation. Is there any chance Telltale didn't bother changing the outcome a bit? I'm not too sure on this. I wouldn't completely rule it out, though.
So, was this Kenny being Kenny, or lazy writing? I'd like to hear what others think of this. Maybe it'll help me make up my mind.
You choose.
Overall, great post. Discerning, I should say.
No one is asking you to "buy [Belan's] bullshit", if you don't agree that's just fine. If you want to engage in a conversation/debate as to why you think Belan's points weren't concrete, or to disprove them with reasons of your own, that is also fine. But there is absolutely no justification or need for you to insult someone personally over a fictional video game character. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you should be an asshole about it. Honestly, though you bring up some good points, the immature and bratty way in which you convey your opinion makes it near impossible to take you seriously.
Many people are saying that Kenny doesn't care for Clem, well just remember that Kenny pretty much sacrificed his eye for protecting Clem. I'm surprised many people haven't yet picked up on this.
By your logic, does that make Clementine a danger to the group if she shoots Rebecca instead? While I agree that it was a "good intention, bad consequence" decision no matter who it that pulls the trigger, you cannot blame one person entirely for different outcomes.
I'm a Kenny fan, not going to lie about that, but I also won't hesitate to call others out who focus on only his flaws when others can be or are just as much to blame.
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Kenny apologizing doesn't really justify his actions and how he treated Clementine.
I mean, when Luke fucked up, he apologized immediately and various times. But, people still don't like him for it.
And then Kenny apologizes which is actually determinate (not many people stayed silent), it doesn't justify it.
Cool down before talking to him?
Kenny will be pissed at you for the whole goddamn season. You'll be waiting forever.
"Afting sexing up Jane."
done.
YAY FOR FRIENDSHIP.
The legend King Sarita mentioned in S2 Ep2
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Whatever man, all your justifications to try making his actions reasonable relies on assumptions of a POSSIBLE event that could happen, when it MOST LIKELY wouldn´t happen.
You did the same to justify him killing Johnny at the lodge: Why the hell would Carver tie and subdue the group just to kill all of them, or at least some of them, after? Because that´s what you said it could be in Kenny´s mind. If that´s was his intention Carver already would´ve killed right away instead of taking the risk of keeping them alive and suffer their possible rebellion, wouldn´t he? You will probably say that they could be after sacrificed in some kind of ritual before each one of them are executed, right? Ridiculous.
I´m done, me and most people are not buying your bullshit at all.
Why don't they just bring him back Kenny Style.
Who are you to say what is likely and what is not likely? Again, without hindsight there is no way of knowing the possible outcomes. And even if there was, that doesn't mean Kenny should have taken his chances.
Are you talking about the truck incident or the ski lodge incident..? It is honestly impossible to tell what you're talking about here, as you're being incredibly vague. I'll assume you're talking about the ski lodge incident, as I never said anything about Carver killing anyone in my explanation of the truck incident. If you are talking about the truck incident though, please go back and re-read what I said to you as your statement here does not make any sense.
The captured members of the group were obviously being used as bait to round everyone up. That is why Carver was torturing Carlos in the first place. If Kenny gives up, the captured members of the group have served their purpose and Carver can do away with them if he does not have new needs/ideas for them.
The only thing ridiculous here is your inability to read and deliver clear and concise arguments. I still can't tell if you're talking about the truck incident or not. If you are, I'll repeat myself and say that I never said anything about Kenny thinking Carver was going to kill all of them (in that particular situation). He simply didn't want to be locked up with a mad man (who could very well end up killing them at some point).
Trust me, I'm not worried about it. I know there are ridiculously obstinate people like yourself out there who will never agree with me no matter what I say, even if they have literally nothing to disprove my points.
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Ah, somehow I missed that. Weird.
Doesn't make me a retard. Get over yourself. You are in no position to be calling anyone a retard here. Seriously, I'm a "retard" because I accidentally missed a sentence? Awesome. Good call dude. Accidentally skimming over a sentence doesn't = being a retard. It happens.
Nope. There is no way to know what Carver was going to do with the hostages. You can't pretend otherwise. It is a completely opinionated argument based on absolutely nothing. Seriously, please try to explain to me how it is possible to use common sense in that situation to predict what was going to happen or not happen.
And even if one outcome is more likely than the other that doesn't mean you should just take your chances. Based on your logic, you should be totally fine with taking a ride on an airplane that only has a 40% chance of crashing compared to a 60% chance of not crashing. The plane is more likely not to crash than to crash, so by your logic deciding not to take a ride on the airplane is stupid. #logic
Kenny gave up because he couldn't bring himself to see Clem/Sarita die. If he didn't end the fight immediately, it meant their certain demise. At that point he decided to take his chances with giving up instead. He didn't really have any choice at all at that point, because if Carver killed them he wouldn't have had anything left to fight for anyway. Carver forced his hand.
This is totally wrong, for reasons I just explained above. If Clem and Sarita were killed he would have had nothing left to fight for. It wasn't about him realizing he was being reckless. There is absolutely nothing that shows Kenny was being reckless in this situation. This is irrefutable.
That isn't what I meant at all. I'm simply not worried about you telling me most people don't believe what I have to say. I never said anything about not caring if most people believe me or not. 60+ people seem to have gotten something out of what I have said here. Again, I'm not worried.
And even if my opinion was/is not popular, that doesn't mean my opinion is incorrect by any means.
Means absolutely nothing coming from you. Thanks though. You still haven't proven any of my points wrong.
I don't know if you realize this, but sitting here making 100% opinionated and baseless arguments does not prove any of your points at all. It would be one thing if you were skeptical, but you are actually trying to tell me my opinions are wrong and stupid without actually bringing anything to the table to prove me wrong. It is also convenient how you pick and choose what points to reply to, and often leave several unanswered when you have no counter argument that you can make.
Dislike. Since there is no downvote, I just have to say it this way.
Kenny is awesome
I'll give the trolling a 5.2/10
Or you could just explain your reasoning for disagreeing. I really don't mind, but I'm curious as to why you don't agree.
Thank you... I guess.
I found this and belched out laughing.
DAT FACE.
Was that story or something that Sarita herself told Clementine?
As I don't remember it.
Haven't played in a while.
I always found Kenny so annoying in season 1, cause it seemed whatever decisions I made he'd always bitch about it.
Then when he turned up in Season 2 I couldn't hit the 'Hug Him' option harder!
He's still irascible and stubborn, but I always valued him in the group.
Many people are saying that Kenny doesn't care for Clem, well just remember that Kenny pretty much sacrificed his eye for protecting Clem. I'm surprised many people haven't yet picked up on this.
option #1. As much as I'd like to blame it on bad writing, I do think it was just him lashing out in the midst of his grief. It should be no surprise to any of us that Kenny responds to loss with anger. The things he says are hurtful and uncalled for, no doubt about that. But that doesn't make him irredeemable in my eyes. I've never had my Clem take any offense to Kenny's words/actions, because I know he's not thinking clearly, nor does he mean them.
Amazing post Belan, I agree wholeheartedly. This epitomizes everything I've been trying to explain to those who don't take too kindly to Kenny.
No one is asking you to "buy [Belan's] bullshit", if you don't agree that's just fine. If you want to engage in a conversation/debate as to why you think Belan's points weren't concrete, or to disprove them with reasons of your own, that is also fine. But there is absolutely no justification or need for you to insult someone personally over a fictional video game character. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you should be an asshole about it. Honestly, though you bring up some good points, the immature and bratty way in which you convey your opinion makes it near impossible to take you seriously.
I don't hate Kenny....I just really hate on how Telltale is writing his character and the fact that he is just there for fan service.
Kenny sucks, I hope he dies in episode five.
Sacrificed himself after forcing Clem to do every dangerous chore of the plan, I'm glad he lost his precious eye.
By your logic, does that make Clementine a danger to the group if she shoots Rebecca instead? While I agree that it was a "good intention, bad consequence" decision no matter who it that pulls the trigger, you cannot blame one person entirely for different outcomes.
I'm a Kenny fan, not going to lie about that, but I also won't hesitate to call others out who focus on only his flaws when others can be or are just as much to blame.
He made a mistake and took the punishment for it. Had he stood and watched Clem take the beating, your argument might work better.
I respectively disagree.
In my opinion, Kenny is awesome, and I hope he makes it to Season 3.
As I told you, that's the LEAST he could've done. don't try to make this heroic.
Who said I was making it heroic? I merely pointed out a flaw in your counter to JustAnotherFan98's comment.
Maybe you should read more carefully before replying.