A lot of people say they don't like Luke because they don't want to think about how sad they will be when they find out he didn't survive the shootout.
if he waited two hours, he would get incredibly weak and not able to do anything properly if the plan went smoothly, as for Clem not eating anything and managing to do everything, again not very good writing on Telltale's part.
Also.... Why do people keep saying Luke abandoned the group? Was he supposed to go all Rambo on Carver and his people? Kenny did and look what that did. Just pissed Carver off. Luke is one guy against several people with assault rifles. Give me a break. He followed them all the way back to the compound. Thats I think is the complete opposite of abandoning.
Also.... Why do people keep saying Luke abandoned the group? Was he supposed to go all Rambo on Carver and his people? Kenny did and look … morewhat that did. Just pissed Carver off. Luke is one guy against several people with assault rifles. Give me a break. He followed them all the way back to the compound. Thats I think is the complete opposite of abandoning.
1) uhhhh yeah. Or he took his time, and they werent nearly as far from Carver's compound as you're making it out to be (which it doesnt seem they are given how short the drive was).
2) No. The only person who clearly went without food or sleep that you can say for sure is CLEM. You're fanboy'ing for Luke to make up stuff about him not sleeping or eating for 60 hours. There's nothing in any episode which said that. It's all in your mind. And as for being drained, I'm pretty sure he got beaten the crap up after he got caught. That might be pretty exhausting too.
3) Clem underwent just as much physical exhaustion, if not more. Plus she has the good sense to not get caught, the fortitude to wait 2 friggin hours without needing to eat, and the responsibility to actually meet at the place he said to meet because she foolishly thought he'd be there.
4) Pray tell where he ever said he went without food for 60 hours. And I didnt say he's a bad person for trying to find some. He's a stupid person for trying to find some right at a critical point of the plan. Just like he's a stupid person for trying to GET some at another critical point. He's not bad. Just stupid. Stupid people get you killed.
I don't have to look for reasons to dislike him. He gives plenty of reasons with his mistakes. And Honestly I don't dislike him. I just think he carries the idiot ball like a trophy the more I see him in action (or rather in inaction). He started out a good character, but the more you get to know him, the dumber he gets. With Kenny, it was the opposite. Kenny's decisions, even when wrong, at least had a sense of logic to them. Luke's choices seem to always be because of his physical needs not being able to be pushed back a bit until the DANGER has passed. He doesnt think of how his stupid choices are going to affect others.
1) He found a car in the middle of the wods that happened to have petrol in it and took a nice drive to Carver's camp?
2) Well, CLEARLY h… moree went without sleep or food. What other reason is there for him appearing so mentally and physically exhausted in episode 3? He's drained.
3) As said, Clem didn't undergo nearly the physical exhaustion Luke did.
4) He hadn't had food for 60 HOURS. Thinking he's a bad person for trying to find some, after he's already physically exhausted, is just unnecessarily harsh.
We're rebutting your points because you're LOOKING for reasons to dislike him and twisting everything he does into a negative. Grow up.
HAhahahahahahahaha, well you certainly try hard. Or you're trolling, can't tell, as this thread is one of the few places (or used to be, now) where a Luke liker can express his opinion without being shouted at or yelled down.
'I don't dislike Luke', that's clearly not true. You haven't said one positive thing about him.
Just read the tumblr post I linked. It explains everything.
Not sure why I bothered arguing for so long: no-one is agreeing with what you say, and so it seems like you're really the only one with these views. I'm not going to waste my arguing on changing one person's views who is so set in his ways that he'll never change them anyway.
1) uhhhh yeah. Or he took his time, and they werent nearly as far from Carver's compound as you're making it out to be (which it doesnt seem… more they are given how short the drive was).
2) No. The only person who clearly went without food or sleep that you can say for sure is CLEM. You're fanboy'ing for Luke to make up stuff about him not sleeping or eating for 60 hours. There's nothing in any episode which said that. It's all in your mind. And as for being drained, I'm pretty sure he got beaten the crap up after he got caught. That might be pretty exhausting too.
3) Clem underwent just as much physical exhaustion, if not more. Plus she has the good sense to not get caught, the fortitude to wait 2 friggin hours without needing to eat, and the responsibility to actually meet at the place he said to meet because she foolishly thought he'd be there.
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I find it very interesting that Kenny fans who feel threatened by Luke demonize him by bringing up the exact same mistakes Kenny has made.
“Abandoning” the group: First off, no, Luke had no intention of abandoning the group. Did everyone just forget how he followed the truck for days with no food or rest so he could rescue the group?
And Kenny has “abandoned” the group plenty of times as well, in the sense that he wasn’t there for them when they needed him. Determinately refusing to help find Clem because of a petty grudge against Lee. Trying to leave Lilly behind during the bandit attack long before she tried to kill anyone. Leaving Clem in the herd after Sarita’s death. Hell, Mark mentions in Episode 2 that Kenny’s entire plan was to abandon the group as soon as the RV was fixed, and the only reason he didn’t in Episode 3 was because the bandits forced everyone to leave.
Making bad plans: Luke screwed up the plan by getting caught, yes.
Let’s not forget that Kenny came up with the infamous boat plan. He thought it would be a brilliant idea to head to a densely populated city to find a boat three months into the apocalypse, despite the fact that anyone with a boat would've taken it as soon as the walkers showed up. Kenny wanted to bring the herd to the compound before Jane even told them about using walker guts to disguise themselves. Kenny wanted to escape the truck and attack Carver’s armed guards. It might’ve worked, sure, since Tavia, Bonnie and Troy were the only ones there. But Kenny didn’t know that. For all he knew, there could’ve been dozens of guards waiting for them, but still thought charging headfirst into them would be a good idea. Which was just stupid of him.
Putting his own needs before the groups: Luke screwed up by screwing Jane, because he was supposed to keep watch for walkers.
Kenny got drunk when he should’ve looked out for Clem, the little girl he claimed to care about. Kenny was too busy feeling sorry for himself to deal with Duck and ignored Katjaa when she needed him the most. Lee put it best: “This isn’t about you. This is about a woman back there who needs her husband, and a boy who needs his dad!” Kenny spent hours moping around in a tent when Rebecca needed his help with the baby. And the thing is, that was completely understandable. Kenny just lost Sarita, so of course he would rather sit around and mourn than help.
The thing is, Luke’s “crimes” are all understandable and justifiable as well.
He didn’t help the group at the lodge most likely because he thought it was too risky. He got caught looking for food because he didn't have anything to eat for days, and barely had a night’s rest. He had sex with Jane because he’s been through tons of shit and lost people he cared about, just like Kenny.
My point is, if people are going to obstinately justify every single one of Kenny’s flaws, it’s not fair to write Luke off for making the exact same mistakes.
Honestly, yes Luke should have planned ahead slightly and foraged for food and looked for water whilst he was making his way to the camp, th… moreat would have been the smart thing to do, but as I said before, I think he felt time was the essence; he didn't know what Carver planned to do with his friends, he just knew that Carver was very angry that they had left, and he didn't know what was going to happen.
Wait a sec...
OMG, I hadn't realized that until now: Remember when Luke said "There's nothing out there guys, the area's been picked clean, believe me I've looked"?Shit, He DID try looking for food somewhere else so he wouldn't have to risk getting caught by stealing food. However, considering he was already starving and there was no food whatsoever in the surroundings, he decided to take the risk and steal food, which ultimately resulted in him being captured.
He was trying his best but gave in to starvation because he had notion of how desperate his situation was.
I find it very interesting that Kenny fans who feel threatened by Luke demonize him by bringing up the exact same mistakes Kenny has made.
… more “Abandoning” the group: First off, no, Luke had no intention of abandoning the group. Did everyone just forget how he followed the truck for days with no food or rest so he could rescue the group?
And Kenny has “abandoned” the group plenty of times as well, in the sense that he wasn’t there for them when they needed him. Determinately refusing to help find Clem because of a petty grudge against Lee. Trying to leave Lilly behind during the bandit attack long before she tried to kill anyone. Leaving Clem in the herd after Sarita’s death. Hell, Mark mentions in Episode 2 that Kenny’s entire plan was to abandon the group as soon as the RV was fixed, and the only reason he didn’t in Episode 3 was because the bandits forced everyone to leave.
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Friend, I was bracing for the hate. But since theres no longer a dislike button, I feel much better about voicing my opinion. And I haven't seen much Kenny fans on this forum. I just think people should be able to like both. We can't rip this Community apart because you have to choose one or the other. And if you like one better than the other, that's fine! But Luke is not a bad guy.
Does anyone else feel that admitting you're a Luke supporter on this forum is like coming out as gay?
It's just, we hide away until people make threads then we all express it. It's like we think we should be ashamed of it.
I find it very interesting that Kenny fans who feel threatened by Luke demonize him by bringing up the exact same mistakes Kenny has made.
… more “Abandoning” the group: First off, no, Luke had no intention of abandoning the group. Did everyone just forget how he followed the truck for days with no food or rest so he could rescue the group?
And Kenny has “abandoned” the group plenty of times as well, in the sense that he wasn’t there for them when they needed him. Determinately refusing to help find Clem because of a petty grudge against Lee. Trying to leave Lilly behind during the bandit attack long before she tried to kill anyone. Leaving Clem in the herd after Sarita’s death. Hell, Mark mentions in Episode 2 that Kenny’s entire plan was to abandon the group as soon as the RV was fixed, and the only reason he didn’t in Episode 3 was because the bandits forced everyone to leave.
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I've already decided if Luke dies, and there's a choice in the end for save the baby or save Clem, I'm saving the baby. IMO Clem will reunite with her parents, Lee, and Luke in Heaven. (And Kenny too if Kenny dies. Besides, in Heaven I don't think their will be anymore drama. They'll all just be eating Pizza and Ice Cream... ;A; )
A lot of people say they don't like Luke because they don't want to think about how sad they will be when they find out he didn't survive the shootout.
I agree with you on that. After Ep. 4 I was not happy with anyone in the group except Mike and Bonnie and Rebecca. But I still 'like' them. Just not love, like I used too...
And is your screen name from the show Rick and Morty? If not, ignore this. XD
I find it very interesting that Kenny fans who feel threatened by Luke demonize him by bringing up the exact same mistakes Kenny has made.
… more “Abandoning” the group: First off, no, Luke had no intention of abandoning the group. Did everyone just forget how he followed the truck for days with no food or rest so he could rescue the group?
And Kenny has “abandoned” the group plenty of times as well, in the sense that he wasn’t there for them when they needed him. Determinately refusing to help find Clem because of a petty grudge against Lee. Trying to leave Lilly behind during the bandit attack long before she tried to kill anyone. Leaving Clem in the herd after Sarita’s death. Hell, Mark mentions in Episode 2 that Kenny’s entire plan was to abandon the group as soon as the RV was fixed, and the only reason he didn’t in Episode 3 was because the bandits forced everyone to leave.
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You know, at first I was very much against the removal of the dislike button, but I've come to realize that people are now less apprehensive about sharing their opinions. I mean, I still have mixed feelings about it but...well, just look at this thread, it would never have reached this length if the downvote button still existed, because many people would be afraid of being bashed for argumenting against the currently popular hate against Luke.
I think this thread represents very well what good could come from removing the downvotes, we can have a healthy discussion at last.
Does anyone else feel that admitting you're a Luke supporter on this forum is like coming out as gay?
It's just, we hide away until people make threads then we all express it. It's like we think we should be ashamed of it.
Pretty much. I really wouldn't have been able to post this if the downvote still existed. The apprehensiveness of the amount of downvotes would make me think my own opinions were wrong. I hope this thread eased some peoples thoughts like it eased mine.
You know, at first I was very much against the removal of the dislike button, but I've come to realize that people are now less apprehensive… more about sharing their opinions. I mean, I still have mixed feelings about it but...well, just look at this thread, it would never have reached this length if the downvote button still existed, because many people would be afraid of being bashed for argumenting against the currently popular hate against Luke.
I think this thread represents very well what good could come from removing the downvotes, we can have a healthy discussion at last.
I love all the characters you're talking about. Ben, mostly because he was just such a pitiful character, I mean, everyone had someone throughout the game. Lilly had Larry. Kenny had Duck and Katjaa and vice versa. Lee had Clem, and Christa and Omid had each other. (until, y'know, people died.) But Ben was always just sort of the odd one out... He was just a kid really. Also, he looks exactly like my favorite actor, so I kinda have a soft spot for him.
Yeah, Nick has more love than Luke did it feels like, even though I'm sure more people actually really love Luke. But because he's pitted against Kenny, Luke has to be beaten down and downplayed as a man and character. I love Nick and Luke equally, maybe Nick more so than Luke. But they're both such good Southern Boys!
And Kenny was awesome in season 1. But season 2, he stole the spotlight. I would've been happier if it had just been Clem and the Cabin group throughout season 2. They still could've done the Carver thing! That part would've remained the same pretty much.
Kenny would've been cooler if he had been at Wellington already, where Christa and him were waiting for you. I wish it could've been this way.
It's weird. Ben of all people has a big fanbase and he's the biggest screwup of either group, Nick also, yet Luke is the one people are insu… morelting to for his one or two mistakes, Nick is my favourite character and I like Ben, but Luke sure doesn't deserve that, I've been more pissed with Kenny than any of those three and I like Kenny lots
Also.... Why do people keep saying Luke abandoned the group? Was he supposed to go all Rambo on Carver and his people? Kenny did and look … morewhat that did. Just pissed Carver off. Luke is one guy against several people with assault rifles. Give me a break. He followed them all the way back to the compound. Thats I think is the complete opposite of abandoning.
I agree 100%. Kenny has done everything people roast Luke for and worse yet people justify everything for him. You pointed out how Lee was trying to get Kenny to stop the train so that he could be there for his own wife and child. Lee did that, yet Kenny's words to him where how there were plenty of times Lee wasnt there for him. That is an excellent example of how he was, and why I went into a red rage over that speech.
I find it very interesting that Kenny fans who feel threatened by Luke demonize him by bringing up the exact same mistakes Kenny has made.
… more “Abandoning” the group: First off, no, Luke had no intention of abandoning the group. Did everyone just forget how he followed the truck for days with no food or rest so he could rescue the group?
And Kenny has “abandoned” the group plenty of times as well, in the sense that he wasn’t there for them when they needed him. Determinately refusing to help find Clem because of a petty grudge against Lee. Trying to leave Lilly behind during the bandit attack long before she tried to kill anyone. Leaving Clem in the herd after Sarita’s death. Hell, Mark mentions in Episode 2 that Kenny’s entire plan was to abandon the group as soon as the RV was fixed, and the only reason he didn’t in Episode 3 was because the bandits forced everyone to leave.
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Does anyone else feel that admitting you're a Luke supporter on this forum is like coming out as gay?
It's just, we hide away until people make threads then we all express it. It's like we think we should be ashamed of it.
There's a reason I made this more of a open question to the community. I didn't want to be preachy as if this was a Luke Defense Thread. In all honesty if I did want to make one, I'd make more of a Luke and Kenny Pros and Con's thread.
Who says that they would have had to honor the deal..? The point was just to get the bandits to walk away. Afterwards they would have just driven away in the RV (well... maybe not Lilly).
I don't know about you, but I figured Lee was only 'hashing' in order to stall them. Making a deal with them like the St. Johns would only prolong the danger that Ben had put them in.
Leaving was the right choice.
There's a reason I made this more of a open question to the community. I didn't want to be preachy as if this was a Luke Defense Thread. In all honesty if I did want to make one, I'd make more of a Luke and Kenny Pros and Con's thread.
I seriously doubt the armed bandits who had this group in the palm of their hands would actually let them go after doing so. It seemed more like a trick.
Why would they not? The leader had already lowered his weapon and was clearly interested in what Lee was saying. Lee basically told him it was pointless to kill them considering there would be no one left to round up their drugs for them.
Regardless, she couldn't hear what they were saying most likely due to her being far away and focused on the shooting
She was what... 40 yards away at most? Everyone was talking loudly, she would have heard what they were saying unless she was deaf or simply choosing not to listen.
As a result, she was at least TRYING to save them from bandits regardless, which is just as good really.
Not from an action standpoint, which does matter when looking at the deed. Anyway, Kenny had his reasons for wanting to book it out of there.
I seriously doubt the armed bandits who had this group in the palm of their hands would actually let them go after doing so. It seemed more … morelike a trick.
Regardless, she couldn't hear what they were saying most likely due to her being far away and focused on the shooting. As a result, she was at least TRYING to save them from bandits regardless, which is just as good really.
At this point I'm neutral towards Luke. My inclination to 'defend' him is more based on a perception that the majority fan opinion hates him unfairly while loving his appointed rival unconditionally than it is a personal interest in the character.
I guess the good thing about the episode coming out tomorrow is that we might finally get an end to this ultimately futile character war. Hopefully one or both of them get killed off unambiguously.
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Exactly. He's done literally one morally wrong thing in the ENTIRE course of the game, and everyone hates him.
How is he 'weird'?
Trust me, there aren't many of those on the forum. Most haters of luke here hate him because they love Kenny.
Yes. Because the plan went so smoothly when he didnt meet Clem and got caught.
EDIT: Double post.
Also.... Why do people keep saying Luke abandoned the group? Was he supposed to go all Rambo on Carver and his people? Kenny did and look what that did. Just pissed Carver off. Luke is one guy against several people with assault rifles. Give me a break. He followed them all the way back to the compound. Thats I think is the complete opposite of abandoning.
Exactly this.
ghost Lee will remember this.
Yep, he didn't abandon them. If he had he wouldn't trek across a state and become mentally and physically exhausted because he wanted to save them.
She's on the spectrum. It's undeniable.
1) uhhhh yeah. Or he took his time, and they werent nearly as far from Carver's compound as you're making it out to be (which it doesnt seem they are given how short the drive was).
2) No. The only person who clearly went without food or sleep that you can say for sure is CLEM. You're fanboy'ing for Luke to make up stuff about him not sleeping or eating for 60 hours. There's nothing in any episode which said that. It's all in your mind. And as for being drained, I'm pretty sure he got beaten the crap up after he got caught. That might be pretty exhausting too.
3) Clem underwent just as much physical exhaustion, if not more. Plus she has the good sense to not get caught, the fortitude to wait 2 friggin hours without needing to eat, and the responsibility to actually meet at the place he said to meet because she foolishly thought he'd be there.
4) Pray tell where he ever said he went without food for 60 hours. And I didnt say he's a bad person for trying to find some. He's a stupid person for trying to find some right at a critical point of the plan. Just like he's a stupid person for trying to GET some at another critical point. He's not bad. Just stupid. Stupid people get you killed.
I don't have to look for reasons to dislike him. He gives plenty of reasons with his mistakes. And Honestly I don't dislike him. I just think he carries the idiot ball like a trophy the more I see him in action (or rather in inaction). He started out a good character, but the more you get to know him, the dumber he gets. With Kenny, it was the opposite. Kenny's decisions, even when wrong, at least had a sense of logic to them. Luke's choices seem to always be because of his physical needs not being able to be pushed back a bit until the DANGER has passed. He doesnt think of how his stupid choices are going to affect others.
HAhahahahahahahaha, well you certainly try hard. Or you're trolling, can't tell, as this thread is one of the few places (or used to be, now) where a Luke liker can express his opinion without being shouted at or yelled down.
'I don't dislike Luke', that's clearly not true. You haven't said one positive thing about him.
Just read the tumblr post I linked. It explains everything.
Not sure why I bothered arguing for so long: no-one is agreeing with what you say, and so it seems like you're really the only one with these views. I'm not going to waste my arguing on changing one person's views who is so set in his ways that he'll never change them anyway.
But seriously, read the tumblr post.
I find it very interesting that Kenny fans who feel threatened by Luke demonize him by bringing up the exact same mistakes Kenny has made.
“Abandoning” the group: First off, no, Luke had no intention of abandoning the group. Did everyone just forget how he followed the truck for days with no food or rest so he could rescue the group?
And Kenny has “abandoned” the group plenty of times as well, in the sense that he wasn’t there for them when they needed him. Determinately refusing to help find Clem because of a petty grudge against Lee. Trying to leave Lilly behind during the bandit attack long before she tried to kill anyone. Leaving Clem in the herd after Sarita’s death. Hell, Mark mentions in Episode 2 that Kenny’s entire plan was to abandon the group as soon as the RV was fixed, and the only reason he didn’t in Episode 3 was because the bandits forced everyone to leave.
Making bad plans: Luke screwed up the plan by getting caught, yes.
Let’s not forget that Kenny came up with the infamous boat plan. He thought it would be a brilliant idea to head to a densely populated city to find a boat three months into the apocalypse, despite the fact that anyone with a boat would've taken it as soon as the walkers showed up. Kenny wanted to bring the herd to the compound before Jane even told them about using walker guts to disguise themselves. Kenny wanted to escape the truck and attack Carver’s armed guards. It might’ve worked, sure, since Tavia, Bonnie and Troy were the only ones there. But Kenny didn’t know that. For all he knew, there could’ve been dozens of guards waiting for them, but still thought charging headfirst into them would be a good idea. Which was just stupid of him.
Putting his own needs before the groups: Luke screwed up by screwing Jane, because he was supposed to keep watch for walkers.
Kenny got drunk when he should’ve looked out for Clem, the little girl he claimed to care about. Kenny was too busy feeling sorry for himself to deal with Duck and ignored Katjaa when she needed him the most. Lee put it best: “This isn’t about you. This is about a woman back there who needs her husband, and a boy who needs his dad!” Kenny spent hours moping around in a tent when Rebecca needed his help with the baby. And the thing is, that was completely understandable. Kenny just lost Sarita, so of course he would rather sit around and mourn than help.
The thing is, Luke’s “crimes” are all understandable and justifiable as well.
He didn’t help the group at the lodge most likely because he thought it was too risky. He got caught looking for food because he didn't have anything to eat for days, and barely had a night’s rest. He had sex with Jane because he’s been through tons of shit and lost people he cared about, just like Kenny.
My point is, if people are going to obstinately justify every single one of Kenny’s flaws, it’s not fair to write Luke off for making the exact same mistakes.
I'd completely forgotten about that line, great observation!
Are you my twin?
You've literally summed up exactly how I feel.
Does anyone else feel that admitting you're a Luke supporter on this forum is like coming out as gay?
It's just, we hide away until people make threads then we all express it. It's like we think we should be ashamed of it.
When you drink whisky with Nick in episode 2
Friend, I was bracing for the hate. But since theres no longer a dislike button, I feel much better about voicing my opinion. And I haven't seen much Kenny fans on this forum. I just think people should be able to like both. We can't rip this Community apart because you have to choose one or the other. And if you like one better than the other, that's fine! But Luke is not a bad guy.
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Yes! Absolutely this.
I've already decided if Luke dies, and there's a choice in the end for save the baby or save Clem, I'm saving the baby. IMO Clem will reunite with her parents, Lee, and Luke in Heaven. (And Kenny too if Kenny dies. Besides, in Heaven I don't think their will be anymore drama. They'll all just be eating Pizza and Ice Cream... ;A; )
I can only really think of one. What is the second?
Two, technically speaking but yeah, you're right.
I agree with you on that. After Ep. 4 I was not happy with anyone in the group except Mike and Bonnie and Rebecca. But I still 'like' them. Just not love, like I used too...
And is your screen name from the show Rick and Morty? If not, ignore this. XD
What's the other one?
This, this, this and absolutely this.
You know, at first I was very much against the removal of the dislike button, but I've come to realize that people are now less apprehensive about sharing their opinions. I mean, I still have mixed feelings about it but...well, just look at this thread, it would never have reached this length if the downvote button still existed, because many people would be afraid of being bashed for argumenting against the currently popular hate against Luke.
I think this thread represents very well what good could come from removing the downvotes, we can have a healthy discussion at last.
Pretty much. I really wouldn't have been able to post this if the downvote still existed. The apprehensiveness of the amount of downvotes would make me think my own opinions were wrong.
I hope this thread eased some peoples thoughts like it eased mine.
I love all the characters you're talking about. Ben, mostly because he was just such a pitiful character, I mean, everyone had someone throughout the game. Lilly had Larry. Kenny had Duck and Katjaa and vice versa. Lee had Clem, and Christa and Omid had each other. (until, y'know, people died.) But Ben was always just sort of the odd one out... He was just a kid really. Also, he looks exactly like my favorite actor, so I kinda have a soft spot for him.
Yeah, Nick has more love than Luke did it feels like, even though I'm sure more people actually really love Luke. But because he's pitted against Kenny, Luke has to be beaten down and downplayed as a man and character. I love Nick and Luke equally, maybe Nick more so than Luke. But they're both such good Southern Boys!
And Kenny was awesome in season 1. But season 2, he stole the spotlight. I would've been happier if it had just been Clem and the Cabin group throughout season 2. They still could've done the Carver thing! That part would've remained the same pretty much.
Kenny would've been cooler if he had been at Wellington already, where Christa and him were waiting for you. I wish it could've been this way.
I hope its not him dropping Clem when he thought she was bitten.
Yeah, the Luke abandoning the group thing is kind of BS.
I agree 100%. Kenny has done everything people roast Luke for and worse yet people justify everything for him. You pointed out how Lee was trying to get Kenny to stop the train so that he could be there for his own wife and child. Lee did that, yet Kenny's words to him where how there were plenty of times Lee wasnt there for him. That is an excellent example of how he was, and why I went into a red rage over that speech.
Im not ashamed of liking Luke in the least, I just dont feel compelled to start threads about him lol
There's a reason I made this more of a open question to the community. I didn't want to be preachy as if this was a Luke Defense Thread. In all honesty if I did want to make one, I'd make more of a Luke and Kenny Pros and Con's thread.
Who says that they would have had to honor the deal..? The point was just to get the bandits to walk away. Afterwards they would have just driven away in the RV (well... maybe not Lilly).
That wasnt a criticism against you, just a personal preference.
I totally understand! Sorry if I came off as standoffish. ;A;
Why would they not? The leader had already lowered his weapon and was clearly interested in what Lee was saying. Lee basically told him it was pointless to kill them considering there would be no one left to round up their drugs for them.
She was what... 40 yards away at most? Everyone was talking loudly, she would have heard what they were saying unless she was deaf or simply choosing not to listen.
Not from an action standpoint, which does matter when looking at the deed. Anyway, Kenny had his reasons for wanting to book it out of there.
And yet they were reasonable enough to show genuine interest in Lee's terms?
Well, one of them was at least.
At this point I'm neutral towards Luke. My inclination to 'defend' him is more based on a perception that the majority fan opinion hates him unfairly while loving his appointed rival unconditionally than it is a personal interest in the character.
I guess the good thing about the episode coming out tomorrow is that we might finally get an end to this ultimately futile character war. Hopefully one or both of them get killed off unambiguously.