well she could have just told him "the baby is alive in that car" or something and he WOULD have Stopped (And efore you type anything keep in mind that clem can actually stop him from beating arvo by telling him to stop)
Jane's willingness to use a newborn child as a tool to set Kenny off in front of Clem was awfully low. Kenny might have been a time bomb, but she was more like a knife in the back.
Jane's willingness to use a newborn child as a tool to set Kenny off in front of Clem was awfully low. Kenny might have been a time bomb, but she was more like a knife in the back.
Context is very important. Jane has admitted she prefers to go it alone for numerous reasons. But has come back to the group primarily because she couldn't abandon Clem, and has promised never to leave Clem again (The whole car crash thing doesn't count in my books as abandoning Clem, Jane had a baby in her arms).
She making a massive decision because she cares about Clem and you can see it affects her if you have Clem say she's glad Jane came back. Kenny just shoved all that back in her face essentially saying Clem didn't care about her.
Yes it was maybe not the smarted thing to reply in the way she did, but to Jane it wasn't just a minor insult Kenny had thrown at her.
Context is important.
Kenny is an argumentative person, and tends to go overboard. Remember the train? When had that outburst with Lee, t… moreelling him that he wasn't helping anyone, and that his relationship with Clem was a sham? Remember when Ben had to shout back to Kenny and explain himself rather than retort back aggressively in order for Kenny to see things from another perspective?
What about Jane? What explains her outburst to Kenny? What does she get out from getting Kenny more and more over the edge by bringing up his battered face, that nobody will ever love him, and everyone will die around him because he is a "bomb waiting to go off". What's Kenny's answer to all this? When she says that Sarita knew it, and that Clem knows it? "I told you not to talk about my family!"
Still, when they pulled over due to the car wrecks, the two seemed to calm down. Jane was even going to apologize, I think.
But still (and i'm not picking sides here) Jane knew how unstable Kenny was and how mutch he loved that baby and she STILL expects him to be sane enough no to "take it too far" ( AND YES SHE TELLS CLEM SHE DINT EXPECT THAT FROM KENNY)
Kenny started all the confrontations between them with him being a completely monster towards her. Jane even tells you, when she returns, ab… moreout Kenny and agrees that only you can reach/talk to him. She didn't set out to mess with Kenny, she made new plans when the group fell apart BECAUSE of Kenny and she wasn't going to let Clementine become a victim of Kenny's anger management issues.
It isn't, as Jane never intended for anyone to die, it was an accident, and the fact that Clementine and the Baby have a far better chance of surviving if they're with her.
Look at Clementine alone.
Wandering aimlessly, no food, no supplies, and all alone with a baby that could easily get her killed if it cries at the wrong moment.
While with Jane she pretty much owns a well stocked and walled complex that has the means of being self-sufficient if they can get it running again.
I don't hate Jane, but when I realized I had to shoot Kenny because she wanted to make a point, Good God was I pissed. The only fault I've really paid attention to, is that she gives up...really easy.
Jane just wanted what she thought was best for Clementine. She opened up to Clementine saw her as a sister figure and made a bit of a reckless decision that put her own life in jeopardy, I think she genuinely did care for Clementine. She was a loner before but she only stuck around because of Clementine she didn't have to get involved with the group really. She is a survivalist but at the time she proved that she could put her life on the line for clementine. Which is why it was very hard for me to just let her go like that.
It's not my own personal views on my "religion", it's a Biblically sound doctrine of the principles of the Christian faith. The vast majority of professing Christians aren't as they say they are, because if you adhere to the principles of God, then your life should be a reflection of your belief in Him. Penitence's definition is "the state of being penitent; regret for one's wrongdoing or sinning; contrition; repentance.". The key word is "repentance", which was and still is my central point of my previous reply, of the doctrine of salvation for Christianity. If you're a professing Christian, yet living in a state of repetitive sin, then you're not going to escape from the judgement for the lack thereof of responsibility for your actions, except through genuine repentance. Your original perception of salvation, insinuating that it's just about orally communicating feeling bad for past actions, are under false pretenses. However, if your newest perception, or at least original thoroughly explained perception, of salvation is your presumption of the Christian's ideology of salvation, then you would be correct in your hypothesis. I don't visualize Christianity as a "religion", but rather a "relationship with God", because my examination of it delves deeper than some, therefore providing to me two totally different premises, one of which I adhere to and one of which I don't. Regardless, if you would like to discuss the subject matter of Christianity to a further extent, then by all means necessary we can have a private discussion, because I don't want to deteriorate from the original post too terribly much.
I agree with you, it's too simple to clump Ken and Jane together due to flaws retaining different ramifications, but seeing as how I don't know as to what your different view on the kind and gravity of his and her flaws, I can't be in agreement with you there.
Your own personal views on "your" religion may be granted, but they don't apply to the vast majority of Christians. Promise of salvation (th… morerough means of penitance) is a central principle of Christianity and it's no coincidence that this particular religion appeals to a certain kind of hypocritical assholes that use it to poop out of every responsibility for their actions (and I'm not talking about specific priests only...). It may not be the right place to discuss this stuff thoroughly, that I agree, but to claim that these are "false pretenses" is ridiculous as it's nothing you can equally find in other religions.
You may call it an inherent design flaw by the founders of "your" religion, no problem with that, but please don't pretend it weren't real.
With the rest of your post I agree, except that I have a different view on the kind and gravity of Kenny's and Jane's flaws. It's too simple to just equal both out in that matter because all flaws don't have the same consequences.
That's because we have common sence;) just kidding, it's the internet not everyone is reasonable because they know they can do/say what they want and be protected by their computer:)
She lasted 9 days after that fight on her own, she's learned how to survive throughout her time in Season 2 and Jane even makes it clear she can make it on her own.
Even if her intentions were for it to not go that far she still made that happen and if she just told the truth it would have never have happened. In the end maybe she was right, Kenny was unstable but her way of bringing tha point to light was wrong and I can't forgive her for it.
What she did didn't deserve her being murdered and Kenny knew it, hence why he says you made the right decision to save Jane.
And if you … moredon't forgive her over an accident, as she never intended it to go that far, you're setting Clementine up for high chances of death. Clementine is a kid and now she has a baby. What if she didn't find that group after the Dog Bite? She would be alone and dead. Now replay that scenario but with a baby that will scream and cry when it's hungry or hurt.
What some pills, seems like they were more upset about the gun, because they don't even mention the medicine.
She's knows that they wanted to leave and they're scared of Kenny, she knew it was coming and chose to stay anyway.
She wanted to steal Clementine for herself because she has mental problems, she is trying to turn Clementine into Jamie 2.0
She didn't want Kenny to die and she didn't want to die either. She wanted to show Clementine that Kenny was a ticking time bomb and that be the end of it, she didn't realize how far gone Kenny was that he surpassed her expectations in regards to his anger issues and insanity. And no, Kenny would NEVER have believed her if she suddenly said the baby was okay.
Because Pissing off Kenny has always been a good idea. She lied about the baby, and tried to manipulate Clementine into killing someone. She got cut with her own knife, and she deserved it. She pulled out the knife, and she stabbed Kenny first. She wanted that fight, and she did tell Clementine to "not interfere." so i listened to Jane and let Kenny end nut job ideals of Jamie 2.0. It will never happen.
Not did, DOES. Get it right, please. She also isn't as crazy as Kenny and she put Clementine first. Where was Kenny when Clementine needed her? Beating up Arvo. Where was Jane? Saving Clementine.
Did is the correct word when talking about someone who is dead. She cared in the past, remember a few days ago when Kenny stabbed her in the chest. Or did you forget that happened?
Kenny does manipulate Clementine far more than Jane ever did as he WILL make you feel like **** and guilt trip you to heck and back if you aren't doing what he says or you even think of agreeing with Luke over him.
Yeah because i remember Kenny lying... Oh wait no i don't, because he has always been straight with us the entire game.
Clementine can steal from the Russians.
She's knows that they wanted to leave and they're scared of Kenny, she knew it was coming and cho… morese to stay anyway.
She didn't want Kenny to die and she didn't want to die either. She wanted to show Clementine that Kenny was a ticking time bomb and that be the end of it, she didn't realize how far gone Kenny was that he surpassed her expectations in regards to his anger issues and insanity. And no, Kenny would NEVER have believed her if she suddenly said the baby was okay.
Not did, DOES. Get it right, please. She also isn't as crazy as Kenny and she put Clementine first. Where was Kenny when Clementine needed her? Beating up Arvo. Where was Jane? Saving Clementine.
Kenny does manipulate Clementine far more than Jane ever did as he WILL make you feel like **** and guilt trip you to heck and back if you aren't doing what he says or you even think of agreeing with Luke over him.
Reasonable? "Lets pin Saritas death on Kenny and mock his family, then tell him I got his adopted son AJ killed, just to get him angry so i can be with Clem!" Coming in a close second "Lets sleep with Luke, when hes meant to be on guard duty!" Nevermind the fact she was veeery quick to give up on Sarah and dump the blame for it. Better to die a Kenny then live long enough to become a heartless Jane
Jane is reasonable and that doesn't ring good with irrational madmen, which seems to be the main group that's hating on Jane. It's funny the… morey don't equally hate on Lee though, as Lee and Jane would get along lovely.
Her "inconsistency" is the main reason of her relationship with Clem. She isn't manipulative either (or you never met real manipulative people), she isn't just the social type and is honest about what she thinks about you (if asked). Kenny is wy more manipulative, in a violent instead of a cunning way. Jane just doesn't give a fuck to win you over (exception of Clem, cause Clem is Clem), but will just leave if there is no reason to stay.
What would have happened if AJ had started crying when there was a walker nearby? Also wasnt their frost on the inside of the car when we got him back?
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No way Kenny would have believed her and you know it. He was in the middle of a blood rage.
And none of that deserves being murdered.
yeah sorry i was in post Jane murder Kenny mentality (aka actually ADMITS HES DANGEROUS and tries to make up for it)
...joke?
Did beating Arvo instead of saving Clementine help Clementine?
No. Kenny doesn't think rationally when he snaps and he snaps a TON. Jane wasn't going to let Clementine end up his next victim.
It was low.
We find out about it after the fight. Leaving Jane then is perfectly understandable.
She was out of options and she wasn't going to wait for Clementine to end up like Arvo when Kenny snaps again and he would.
Context is very important. Jane has admitted she prefers to go it alone for numerous reasons. But has come back to the group primarily because she couldn't abandon Clem, and has promised never to leave Clem again (The whole car crash thing doesn't count in my books as abandoning Clem, Jane had a baby in her arms).
She making a massive decision because she cares about Clem and you can see it affects her if you have Clem say she's glad Jane came back. Kenny just shoved all that back in her face essentially saying Clem didn't care about her.
Yes it was maybe not the smarted thing to reply in the way she did, but to Jane it wasn't just a minor insult Kenny had thrown at her.
But still (and i'm not picking sides here) Jane knew how unstable Kenny was and how mutch he loved that baby and she STILL expects him to be sane enough no to "take it too far" ( AND YES SHE TELLS CLEM SHE DINT EXPECT THAT FROM KENNY)
It isn't, as Jane never intended for anyone to die, it was an accident, and the fact that Clementine and the Baby have a far better chance of surviving if they're with her.
Look at Clementine alone.
Wandering aimlessly, no food, no supplies, and all alone with a baby that could easily get her killed if it cries at the wrong moment.
While with Jane she pretty much owns a well stocked and walled complex that has the means of being self-sufficient if they can get it running again.
I don't hate Jane, but when I realized I had to shoot Kenny because she wanted to make a point, Good God was I pissed. The only fault I've really paid attention to, is that she gives up...really easy.
Jane just wanted what she thought was best for Clementine. She opened up to Clementine saw her as a sister figure and made a bit of a reckless decision that put her own life in jeopardy, I think she genuinely did care for Clementine. She was a loner before but she only stuck around because of Clementine she didn't have to get involved with the group really. She is a survivalist but at the time she proved that she could put her life on the line for clementine. Which is why it was very hard for me to just let her go like that.
It's not my own personal views on my "religion", it's a Biblically sound doctrine of the principles of the Christian faith. The vast majority of professing Christians aren't as they say they are, because if you adhere to the principles of God, then your life should be a reflection of your belief in Him. Penitence's definition is "the state of being penitent; regret for one's wrongdoing or sinning; contrition; repentance.". The key word is "repentance", which was and still is my central point of my previous reply, of the doctrine of salvation for Christianity. If you're a professing Christian, yet living in a state of repetitive sin, then you're not going to escape from the judgement for the lack thereof of responsibility for your actions, except through genuine repentance. Your original perception of salvation, insinuating that it's just about orally communicating feeling bad for past actions, are under false pretenses. However, if your newest perception, or at least original thoroughly explained perception, of salvation is your presumption of the Christian's ideology of salvation, then you would be correct in your hypothesis. I don't visualize Christianity as a "religion", but rather a "relationship with God", because my examination of it delves deeper than some, therefore providing to me two totally different premises, one of which I adhere to and one of which I don't. Regardless, if you would like to discuss the subject matter of Christianity to a further extent, then by all means necessary we can have a private discussion, because I don't want to deteriorate from the original post too terribly much.
I agree with you, it's too simple to clump Ken and Jane together due to flaws retaining different ramifications, but seeing as how I don't know as to what your different view on the kind and gravity of his and her flaws, I can't be in agreement with you there.
maybe i show clem how are much of a psycho you are, right? Maybe i'll leave the baby in car as well..and tell you that your baby is dead....
That's because we have common sence;) just kidding, it's the internet not everyone is reasonable because they know they can do/say what they want and be protected by their computer:)
it's possible...we gotta give another character a chance to be that hero.
That's overly cynical.
She lasted 9 days after that fight on her own, she's learned how to survive throughout her time in Season 2 and Jane even makes it clear she can make it on her own.
Even if her intentions were for it to not go that far she still made that happen and if she just told the truth it would have never have happened. In the end maybe she was right, Kenny was unstable but her way of bringing tha point to light was wrong and I can't forgive her for it.
What some pills, seems like they were more upset about the gun, because they don't even mention the medicine.
She wanted to steal Clementine for herself because she has mental problems, she is trying to turn Clementine into Jamie 2.0
Because Pissing off Kenny has always been a good idea. She lied about the baby, and tried to manipulate Clementine into killing someone. She got cut with her own knife, and she deserved it. She pulled out the knife, and she stabbed Kenny first. She wanted that fight, and she did tell Clementine to "not interfere." so i listened to Jane and let Kenny end nut job ideals of Jamie 2.0. It will never happen.
Did is the correct word when talking about someone who is dead. She cared in the past, remember a few days ago when Kenny stabbed her in the chest. Or did you forget that happened?
Yeah because i remember Kenny lying... Oh wait no i don't, because he has always been straight with us the entire game.
Reasonable? "Lets pin Saritas death on Kenny and mock his family, then tell him I got his adopted son AJ killed, just to get him angry so i can be with Clem!" Coming in a close second "Lets sleep with Luke, when hes meant to be on guard duty!" Nevermind the fact she was veeery quick to give up on Sarah and dump the blame for it. Better to die a Kenny then live long enough to become a heartless Jane
What would have happened if AJ had started crying when there was a walker nearby? Also wasnt their frost on the inside of the car when we got him back?
Maybe not. But I don't give a shit about her.