They sure did alot of evil things before when Carver was still part of their group, but they regret their actions, that's why they threw him out of the group!
Can't say when we know almost nothing.
There have been times though where the guy trying to warn someone is actually right but a lot of people don't buy into it because the way it is made out, the guy trying to warn you appears evil or mad but personally i think they're seedy.
Yes, they're nice but we've seen in Season 1 how quickly people can change and who knows? They could be keeping a secret.
Only problem would be then telltale would have to make extra long work and then come up with 2 different storylines seeing how you'd have being with the group or Carver and i doubt they would do that but great idea though.
We don't know who these people are and its a bit to early to trust anyone at this stage.
the is the other thing I was thinking thro....Caver might try to win Clem over to his side like "Stranger" did.
I think what people are talking about "Steve Carver", I think that's going to happen, he was talking about 7 people, it seems he was kick out and forced to make another group. Why he came back thro....for the baby? oh boy not good...
I am really curious thro If it was Russell's group he isn't going to show up in this episode, will we see them in this episode? (telltale have started that you should play 400 days before this episode.) Maybe we will meet them on the mountains with the person Clem thought was dead. Who was left at the camp and who came to the new location will mostly play as a factor.
The thing is with Telltales games is that you arent changeing the destination, you are changing the journey to it, that said giving us this choice fits right in with that. The problem isnt the extra work, the problem is withen the fan's ability to wait and give them the time they need to make this work and make it awesome.
That, assuming they dont do it, is the only real thing keeping them from doing it, if the fans were willing to wait, "Which FYI i know most are." this choice between Carver or the group, would be massive, and quite a huge choice that would make this season stand out from season 1. We never got a choice like this, all the more reason to give it to us.
Choice is key in an interactive story, realisticly, from a logical stand point, this seems like a choice just waiting to happen. It also makes sense that we could choose to be in the middle, picking nobodys side.
Having these 3 choice's would give this season a great chance at toping season 1 as a story driven by player choice, where everyone makes different choices for different reasons, it would take more work, but i think if TTG can make it work, it will be worth the wait.
Only problem would be then telltale would have to make extra long work and then come up with 2 different storylines seeing how you'd have being with the group or Carver and i doubt they would do that but great idea though.
You can understand the fans disapproval given the time delays and because people are so eager and can't handle waiting, complaints will come but there are some who go overboard with the complaining.
I'm not disagreeing with you dude, i think it's a good idea but i doubt they will because of how much effort would be put into it and then they would have to delay release dates even longer and while what you said is true that fans will be ok with waiting, a lot will complain about a longer waiting period, i mean the release date of episode 2 is for early March and people are complaining about that, imagine a further delay.
It's probably going to be the same as Season 1 was. Instead of choosing which side to go with and branch different stories, it'll be who you will believe i.e You can choose to side with the group or Carver depending on your decision like it was with Lily or Kenny. To me, that is better then branching 2 different stories because you get to see what your choice does to impact the story more then just choosing a storyline.
There's always going to be complaints, no matter what it is. If they did decide to do what you want them do, then people will complain about it someway.
Before doing that, i want to see more point and click scenes like Season 1 and have Clem actually be able to sit and talk to the other characters to get to know them. That's why Season 1 was emotional. Because we could actually take time away and get to know the characters. Compare the first episodes of both seasons. We got to know so much about the characters in episode 1 and bonded with them, in Season 2 it's like there's a black secret and we don't know much about them.
The thing is with Telltales games is that you arent changeing the destination, you are changing the journey to it, that said giving us this … morechoice fits right in with that. The problem isnt the extra work, the problem is withen the fan's ability to wait and give them the time they need to make this work and make it awesome.
That, assuming they dont do it, is the only real thing keeping them from doing it, if the fans were willing to wait, "Which FYI i know most are." this choice between Carver or the group, would be massive, and quite a huge choice that would make this season stand out from season 1. We never got a choice like this, all the more reason to give it to us.
Choice is key in an interactive story, realisticly, from a logical stand point, this seems like a choice just waiting to happen. It also makes sense that we could choose to be in the middle, picking nobodys side.
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Everyone in the twd apocalypse is an antagonist to someone in someway, just like people would be in real life. It's like how Nate was an antagonist to Wyatt and Eddie while they'd killed his friend in the first place; no one is innocent. I think that both the cabin group and Carver's group have done bad things to each other in the past, but the real question is this: what would a guy travel 100s of miles just to get back- revenge or his child?
I think she is there with sarah, because in the preview sarah noticed that someone was outside the cabin so after that clementine went to downstairs and then the someone (who was carver) knocked to the Door.
Why is Clem there alone? is what I was wondering , I do kinda think Carver was watching the group for a while now and possibly saw how they treated Clem when she first arrived
No i don't think so. Russel said they were 7 and this was their magic number...with Russel beeing part of the group+Carver beeing part of the group they would have been 9people. And also Russel mentioned that the doctor's daughter was around his age and Sarah isn't around Russels age, shes only 15years old.
I still wonder why Carver hasn't killed them all yet and taken Rebecca back if its his baby if he has been watching the group. It seems like he could of done it easy enough like the dead bodies he left on the river. Maybe he killed those guys on the river in self defense since we know them to be attackers hence the guy that attacked Clem and Crista within the group of bodies.
Im not siding with Carver yet but I think Clem should hear out Carver's story he may tell us something bad about the cabin group that we dont know about if its proven true and undisputed Clem may have to pick the lesser of 2 evil's to side with.
If what he says to Clem has no proof to back it up he's obviously trying to manipulate her but if the cabin group does something horrid or questionable in front of Clem it would really make the choice interesting.
This. It's likely Carver is the 'bad guy' of the story but doesn't see himself that way, like Campman, he just sees himself as a man trying to get back what is 'rightfully his' in his mind.
Carver might honestly believe the Cabin group are the villains for taking 'his' child. Most good villains (like the TV Governor) operate off that variety of twisted logic which makes for an interestingly morally 'dark grey' villain.
Actually this comparison to Campman and Carver gets me wondering if this would make Carver more of a 'personal' villain for Clem. She's not the target, but she has been before by a person with somewhat similar mindset.
I hope we get something interesting to say to Carver about Campman from Clem's perspective, try to advise him to drop his mad quest (though of course it wouldn't work).
I think he's probably going to try and convince Clem that the Cabin Group have done something wrong, or that he's the victim(or at least not… more the villain). I get the feeling he's someone who works more on lies and manipulation than actual brute force. It'll be interesting to see how that situation plays out. I'm really excited to see Carver in this episode, especially with Michael Madsen doing the voice. Even from the lines in the trailer, it seems he'll do a great performance as the "villain" of this Season.
Funny, I couldn't help but be reminded of Lee and how he was willing to do anything to get back Clementine. Granted he didn't have to travel hundreds of miles but he damn sure would have if need be. It would certainly be a good way for players to justify their Clem sympathizing with Carver. Heck, even her desire to find her parents would work in that regard.
This. It's likely Carver is the 'bad guy' of the story but doesn't see himself that way, like Campman, he just sees himself as a man trying … moreto get back what is 'rightfully his' in his mind.
Carver might honestly believe the Cabin group are the villains for taking 'his' child. Most good villains (like the TV Governor) operate off that variety of twisted logic which makes for an interestingly morally 'dark grey' villain.
Actually this comparison to Campman and Carver gets me wondering if this would make Carver more of a 'personal' villain for Clem. She's not the target, but she has been before by a person with somewhat similar mindset.
I hope we get something interesting to say to Carver about Campman from Clem's perspective, try to advise him to drop his mad quest (though of course it wouldn't work).
Well we don't know if he participated in "massacre at the river". But if he did then its possible he likes to play a game of charm and guile before he ultimately "considers" killing you.
I still wonder why Carver hasn't killed them all yet and taken Rebecca back if its his baby if he has been watching the group. It seems like… more he could of done it easy enough like the dead bodies he left on the river. Maybe he killed those guys on the river in self defense since we know them to be attackers hence the guy that attacked Clem and Crista within the group of bodies.
Im not siding with Carver yet but I think Clem should hear out Carver's story he may tell us something bad about the cabin group that we dont know about if its proven true and undisputed Clem may have to pick the lesser of 2 evil's to side with.
If what he says to Clem has no proof to back it up he's obviously trying to manipulate her but if the cabin group does something horrid or questionable in front of Clem it would really make the choice interesting.
This would be a great villain, if he does end up being that way. Someone who just views themselves as doing whatever they need to to get what's theirs. That on it's own wouldn't make him a villain, but I get the feeling that he won't be someone afraid to kill for his "cause". Not a total "non-villain" like the Stranger(I don't think he was truly evil, just broken), but someone who is definitely the "bad guy", yet we can still sympathize with them a little.
This. It's likely Carver is the 'bad guy' of the story but doesn't see himself that way, like Campman, he just sees himself as a man trying … moreto get back what is 'rightfully his' in his mind.
Carver might honestly believe the Cabin group are the villains for taking 'his' child. Most good villains (like the TV Governor) operate off that variety of twisted logic which makes for an interestingly morally 'dark grey' villain.
Actually this comparison to Campman and Carver gets me wondering if this would make Carver more of a 'personal' villain for Clem. She's not the target, but she has been before by a person with somewhat similar mindset.
I hope we get something interesting to say to Carver about Campman from Clem's perspective, try to advise him to drop his mad quest (though of course it wouldn't work).
If Telltale doesn't try and make these comparisons to try and create sympathy from the players to Carver's "cause", then they'd have missed out on a major storytelling point. It will be great to see how this all plays out in the next episode.
Funny, I couldn't help but be reminded of Lee and how he was willing to do anything to get back Clementine. Granted he didn't have to travel… more hundreds of miles but he damn sure would have if need be. It would certainly be a good way for players to justify their Clem sympathizing with Carver. Heck, even her desire to find her parents would work in that regard.
It could be that the trailer's are from the perspective of someone who only saved Nick. Same as how the trailer's for Starved for Help and Long Road Ahead were from the perspective of someone who Doug(you never see Carley in those trailers). I'm really hoping that if you save Pete, then maybe they both live. Or at the very least, that Pete doesn't die either way.
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It would be awesome if we get the choice to side with the group, or carver.
Its a long shot, but letting us make such a huge choice would be awesome.
Steve Carver? Was Russell part of his group?
Can't say when we know almost nothing.
There have been times though where the guy trying to warn someone is actually right but a lot of people don't buy into it because the way it is made out, the guy trying to warn you appears evil or mad but personally i think they're seedy.
Yes, they're nice but we've seen in Season 1 how quickly people can change and who knows? They could be keeping a secret.
Only problem would be then telltale would have to make extra long work and then come up with 2 different storylines seeing how you'd have being with the group or Carver and i doubt they would do that but great idea though.
We don't know who these people are and its a bit to early to trust anyone at this stage.
the is the other thing I was thinking thro....Caver might try to win Clem over to his side like "Stranger" did.
I think what people are talking about "Steve Carver", I think that's going to happen, he was talking about 7 people, it seems he was kick out and forced to make another group. Why he came back thro....for the baby? oh boy not good...
I am really curious thro If it was Russell's group he isn't going to show up in this episode, will we see them in this episode? (telltale have started that you should play 400 days before this episode.) Maybe we will meet them on the mountains with the person Clem thought was dead. Who was left at the camp and who came to the new location will mostly play as a factor.
The thing is with Telltales games is that you arent changeing the destination, you are changing the journey to it, that said giving us this choice fits right in with that. The problem isnt the extra work, the problem is withen the fan's ability to wait and give them the time they need to make this work and make it awesome.
That, assuming they dont do it, is the only real thing keeping them from doing it, if the fans were willing to wait, "Which FYI i know most are." this choice between Carver or the group, would be massive, and quite a huge choice that would make this season stand out from season 1. We never got a choice like this, all the more reason to give it to us.
Choice is key in an interactive story, realisticly, from a logical stand point, this seems like a choice just waiting to happen. It also makes sense that we could choose to be in the middle, picking nobodys side.
Having these 3 choice's would give this season a great chance at toping season 1 as a story driven by player choice, where everyone makes different choices for different reasons, it would take more work, but i think if TTG can make it work, it will be worth the wait.
Well, I heard this Carver person isn't a real trustworthy bloke. So, I guess to manipulate her, maybe.
Its a possibility anything could happen
I wonder if Rebecca takes this event as some sort of evidence that Clementine works for Carver.
I smell drama, hehehe.
You can understand the fans disapproval given the time delays and because people are so eager and can't handle waiting, complaints will come but there are some who go overboard with the complaining.
I'm not disagreeing with you dude, i think it's a good idea but i doubt they will because of how much effort would be put into it and then they would have to delay release dates even longer and while what you said is true that fans will be ok with waiting, a lot will complain about a longer waiting period, i mean the release date of episode 2 is for early March and people are complaining about that, imagine a further delay.
It's probably going to be the same as Season 1 was. Instead of choosing which side to go with and branch different stories, it'll be who you will believe i.e You can choose to side with the group or Carver depending on your decision like it was with Lily or Kenny. To me, that is better then branching 2 different stories because you get to see what your choice does to impact the story more then just choosing a storyline.
There's always going to be complaints, no matter what it is. If they did decide to do what you want them do, then people will complain about it someway.
Before doing that, i want to see more point and click scenes like Season 1 and have Clem actually be able to sit and talk to the other characters to get to know them. That's why Season 1 was emotional. Because we could actually take time away and get to know the characters. Compare the first episodes of both seasons. We got to know so much about the characters in episode 1 and bonded with them, in Season 2 it's like there's a black secret and we don't know much about them.
Everyone in the twd apocalypse is an antagonist to someone in someway, just like people would be in real life. It's like how Nate was an antagonist to Wyatt and Eddie while they'd killed his friend in the first place; no one is innocent. I think that both the cabin group and Carver's group have done bad things to each other in the past, but the real question is this: what would a guy travel 100s of miles just to get back- revenge or his child?
I think she is there with sarah, because in the preview sarah noticed that someone was outside the cabin so after that clementine went to downstairs and then the someone (who was carver) knocked to the Door.
I bet he's the next Sith Lord
He probably died protecting Clem, I hope he doesn't though, he is descent.
Agreed man, Uncle Pete was a good man.
I have a feeling that Pete's words about choosing a role to play will definitely affect her decisions from A House Divided and onward.
She could probably have the option to tell this to Nick if ever Pete never makes it
I don't trust Carver at all.
Feels like he's trying to manipulate Clem.
This guy is better than empty gun
I don't think they're evil at all. More than half of them have been really nice to Clem in my playthough.
No i don't think so. Russel said they were 7 and this was their magic number...with Russel beeing part of the group+Carver beeing part of the group they would have been 9people. And also Russel mentioned that the doctor's daughter was around his age and Sarah isn't around Russels age, shes only 15years old.
I still wonder why Carver hasn't killed them all yet and taken Rebecca back if its his baby if he has been watching the group. It seems like he could of done it easy enough like the dead bodies he left on the river. Maybe he killed those guys on the river in self defense since we know them to be attackers hence the guy that attacked Clem and Crista within the group of bodies.
Im not siding with Carver yet but I think Clem should hear out Carver's story he may tell us something bad about the cabin group that we dont know about if its proven true and undisputed Clem may have to pick the lesser of 2 evil's to side with.
If what he says to Clem has no proof to back it up he's obviously trying to manipulate her but if the cabin group does something horrid or questionable in front of Clem it would really make the choice interesting.
Well that was just uncalled for. Kudos for making me laugh tough.
This is the king were talking about. The best character in the walking dead. Show some respect.
you need a whole lot of no drums or base for this post
I think that Rebecca was/were working for Carver, and Carver is the father.
This. It's likely Carver is the 'bad guy' of the story but doesn't see himself that way, like Campman, he just sees himself as a man trying to get back what is 'rightfully his' in his mind.
Carver might honestly believe the Cabin group are the villains for taking 'his' child. Most good villains (like the TV Governor) operate off that variety of twisted logic which makes for an interestingly morally 'dark grey' villain.
Actually this comparison to Campman and Carver gets me wondering if this would make Carver more of a 'personal' villain for Clem. She's not the target, but she has been before by a person with somewhat similar mindset.
I hope we get something interesting to say to Carver about Campman from Clem's perspective, try to advise him to drop his mad quest (though of course it wouldn't work).
Funny, I couldn't help but be reminded of Lee and how he was willing to do anything to get back Clementine. Granted he didn't have to travel hundreds of miles but he damn sure would have if need be. It would certainly be a good way for players to justify their Clem sympathizing with Carver. Heck, even her desire to find her parents would work in that regard.
Well we don't know if he participated in "massacre at the river". But if he did then its possible he likes to play a game of charm and guile before he ultimately "considers" killing you.
This would be a great villain, if he does end up being that way. Someone who just views themselves as doing whatever they need to to get what's theirs. That on it's own wouldn't make him a villain, but I get the feeling that he won't be someone afraid to kill for his "cause". Not a total "non-villain" like the Stranger(I don't think he was truly evil, just broken), but someone who is definitely the "bad guy", yet we can still sympathize with them a little.
If Telltale doesn't try and make these comparisons to try and create sympathy from the players to Carver's "cause", then they'd have missed out on a major storytelling point. It will be great to see how this all plays out in the next episode.
It could be that the trailer's are from the perspective of someone who only saved Nick. Same as how the trailer's for Starved for Help and Long Road Ahead were from the perspective of someone who Doug(you never see Carley in those trailers). I'm really hoping that if you save Pete, then maybe they both live. Or at the very least, that Pete doesn't die either way.