__________'s Sanity faltering?
Hey guys, I've been viewing a bunch of discussions and theories for a while now, so I decided I'd join this community.
Obvious spoilers in this thread, so read at your own risk. And yes this is going to be a very long read, so bare with me.
So I have a theory for you guys, and I want your opinions on it. I'm a big fan of the soundtracks in TWD & TWAU, and I was catching up with the new season's tracks; While doing so I discovered a pattern in the episode slides. The songs will be linked to the "Episode #:" And I'll be including the youtube links to the songs listed here for reference, besides the 1st slide. (All uploaded by MikonReborn!)
Episode 1 doesn't really have much symbolism behind it, and the ambiance is simple rain, although in the update it looks like they added the non-violin version of Clementine's Theme/Last Moments (Can't remember) as a way to signify the feeling of loneliness that Clementine felt after losing Christa and Omid.
Episode 2 is also pretty simple, but this is where one of my ideas comes into play. The ambiance is a looped drum-like/tribal instrument with a low hum and an occasional soft breeze. The picture of the scouts of (what we know now to be) Carver's group adds a feeling of vulnerability and tension.
Episode 3 is where, after discovering the future of Clem's group, I started to notice. This slide shows Clem and Rebecca in what seems to be a holding cell, shown by the transparent bars; Although it could also represent the "feeling" of being "trapped", but that's anyone's guess. I think it's just a temporary holding cell. Anyways, the music is what sets the tone. There's a buzz-saw in the background with a ominous rattling and heavy and distorted wind effects. I think this particular slide is also especially important. Picture Clementine, trapped in an unknown location, forced to do labor for people she doesn't know, with a group she barely knows, and also worrying about a soon to be pregnant lady. Imagine what's going through her head, a lot of stress for an 11 year old girl. To her all this but be building up inside of her, with the "ringing" buzz-saw noise representing her numbness to this constant mental abuse.
Episode 4 is where things get slightly more hazy, considering we don't know what happens in EP3 that leads up to EP4. But one thing is clear: Clementine is not the same girl she was in Episode 2. Carver is an evil man, with the intelligence to look out after his group, but in a morally horrid way. There are theories backing up when I say that somehow Clementine lost a lot of her innocence in that camp. Also, Clem is putting blood on her face in a war-paint type manner. The music also helps bring this out, the heavy and ominous horns, that sound like a darker battle horn. The music and the war-paint gives me a feeling that Clem lost all compassion, or at least is numbed down and can only think about extracting revenge; Revenge for maybe, what Carver did to her, or to her group members.
Episode 5 has a track that doesn't appear in the Slide selection, and it's important, because this one is creepy. I'd also like to take a moment to explain something. Since Episode 2 came out, they've made it so whichever episode you JUST completed on that certain save file will appear as your main menu along with an OST. For Episode 2 this Soundtrack was different than the Slide OST. The Slide for EP5 didn't have music at all, only a snowy breeze. So, if the songs are meant to appear after you've completed an episode, then that means it's a sort of "lasting impression" of what just happened. Then it could very well be the song we hear as we're tossed back to the main menu, shocked at the ending. This song is definitely the most haunting and uncomfortable of all the episode selects. And I have an idea, this could symbolize the "ghosts" or "whispers" of death around her, including the bloodshed of Episode 4. After Clem experienced death and a possible dead baby, she might be mentally exhausted from all the loss and sadness. Her hope for the future could very well be gone from the traumatic experiences she has and will experience. (Also a quick little side note, this "ghost" idea could relate to the "Dead Lee" in the snow. Meaning the memories and sadness of Lee and everyone she knew will anchor her down).
Well guys, that's my very long theory. And I apologize in advance for any errors in spelling or formatting, this is my first post on this website, but this idea was stuck in my head with no place to vent it to. I hope you guys enjoyed it, and get some ideas from it. Music makes half the game ;P
Comments
i wonder if carver will try to rape clementine
Hey welcome aboard and thanks for sharing your insights and analysis on the music. It was a great read.
If he does try to do something like that, I feel like it'd be done to Sarah. She's 15 years old, while Clem is only 11. Also it'd fit well for the sub-story of Sarah's growth/crumble regarding her innocence to the outside world.
Thank you! Glad to be here.
Woaw great job you did here ! I like it !
The slide of the 4th chapter afraid me more than the others, cause you can recognize the shadow of some charater ! Kenny on the left, Matthew on the right ... Maybe the blood on the face of Clem' represent the blood of the Kenny's group and, since clem and his group came, they got only trouble ... Mabye this time, Kenny will be really dead ...
I'm with you for the last slide .. Maybe the corpse is Lee's one !
Yeah, i think that, if he rape someone, it will be Sarah in front of Carlos + Clem' .... argh it will be a horrible scen ..
Glad you liked it! But I don't think the body is Lee's, I think it's suppose to be his "memories" haunting her. Maybe hallucinations, if the ghost-like and whispery OST means what I think it does.
Glad you liked it! But I don't think the body is Lee's, I think it's suppose to be his "memories" haunting her. Maybe hallucinations, if the ghost-like and whispery OST means what I think it does.
Damn, that's just about the most nightmare-inducing music I've ever heard...if you can even call it music. It puts me in an a lonesome and desolate mood, as if Clementine was the last human being alive on the entire planet. I wouldn't be surprised if episode 5 only features Clem in an ALL IS LOST-type scenario, with the ghosts of season 1 and season 2 haunting her every step through a barren wintry landscape, as you suggested.
I apologize in advance for any nightmares you may have.
But yeah, it does seem that way. TellTale won't do the same ending as before and kill off Clem. They'll probably do something on the lines of making her so insane or tainted that we wish she was dead.
I get the feeling of pursuit, like Clem has to watch her back because something is coming for her from the shadows.
well she is fine unless she can run faster than sarah
"Insane?" I hope not. I like to think Telltale will allow Clem's sanity to be one of the few elements in the game we can keep intact to the very end. She is the PC, after all.
But "tainted?" Yeah, that's pretty much inevitable now.
It makes me feel like as long as she's living and breathing with her consequences, she's already down a dark road that she can't come back from. It's like the danger is herself, not so much people following her. Maybe depending on which decisions you make, they may haunt and scar her even more, to the point of maybe suicide or complete bitterness.
Too horrible. And I still think, if he is a pedo, he could rape Sarah before. And now Clem... but it's just one of many theories.
I think that Episode 3 will be the worst position Clem's ever been in. She's only 11, and any other person in her shoes would have either become extremely depressed (she is too but she can still function) or maybe a bit crazy in the head. Clem's strength is her intelligence, but she's too weak to defend herself properly against more than a couple walkers at once without a gun, and a grown man trying to do something to her? She'd be defenseless and I think that might do Clem in.
Who knows? Many instances of rape revolve around power instead of sex, and Carver does seem like a power-lover. As much as I hate to admit it, you're on to something.
Sorry but destroying her mental sanity would be a bad move. There has to be some sort of accomplishment by the end of the season. If this whole season's point is to destroy her then it'll just make you want her to find peace through death or something. I always thought of episode 4 as a positive changing point for Clementine.
These songs are creepy. This whole theory is creepy, but very well thought out. I'm not sure if I'd like to see Clem take a dark turn or not, but if she does it might be cool to have her see illusions or have flashbacks.
well i dont know about carver, but nate would def try to rape clem
Great analysis, I like it. But man those episode themes are creepy. They seem to be getting worse, perhaps like Clementine's future mental state. Telltale has probably realised by now that when characters start to lose it, they do crazier things and the fans might lose a bit of respect towards them. My thought is that they're planning to do this to Clem, so that we're playing as a character that's slowly turning into a 'monster' despite her young age.
'Amid the Ruins' seems to help prove this point, as the blood on her face is either some kind of war paint, or Clem's getting some blood on her hands. She's also missing her hat. Now, judging from what we've seen in Season 1 and part of Season 2, her hat is something that is incredibly important to her; it's pretty much the last thing that she has to remind her of her parents. If she's not wearing it, she may have just 'dismissed' her parents. This is also a sign that she is maturing a little faster than Lee might want her too. To be honest, I think it'll be like what Shel says about Becca, "She dismisses things she cares about so easily now". I hope that doesn't happen, but it seems like it may happen.
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I really hope that doesn't happen. I don't want to play as another Carl and i doubt anyone would want to either.
I just realized in the episode 4 slide Clementine's hat is missing! We know that she treasures her hat and would do anything to keep it. Maybe she is going a bit insane at that point.
That freak? Well, he doesn't seem to care about consequences or have any empathy, so it wouldn't surprise me. Although that would be the most nightmarish QTE ever.
man i love nate, he is a total psycho
I really like what you said about the themes getting worse and how Clementine might go a little crazy as the episodes continue. Who can blame her? She's been through a lot so far and it's only getting scarier for her.
If it was a real Zombie Apocalypse, would you like him? Because that's how I look at TWD characters. It's not about if they're cool or not; it's about the odds of them having my back.
I don't think that the hooded guy on the right is Matthew. It's almost definitely Eddie (From 400 Days) in my opinion, but we all have our own theories. Who knows, maybe it could be the memory of Matthew's death.
he would be my bro along wit kenny and clem, dats for sure... we are both crazy so we would get along
I think it's more like Ben's corpse. The corpse is obviously outside, because it's covered with snow, and Lee died in that covered place. And what caught me right after looking carefully, is that he is wearing a coat like Ben's.
But of course, I might be wrong since the body is on the road (unless it's just a picture of Savannah).
Well, I'm sure you're a lovely person.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to nervously back away from my computer now.......
Yeah, Carver might just do that. Man, that'd be horrible. If it does happen, it better be a QTE escape from Carver rather than a scene we have to watch.
Also, I noticed something else that might contribute to the idea of Clem's mental instability later on. This one is less likely but I think it deserves a a mention; Luke and Clem are very close in the short time they've known each other, and in one part of EP2 right before you go on the bridge, there are 2 zombies and you have the choice to kill the standing zombie or the one sitting near the rock. I'm not sure about the standing zombie, but if you play it safe and attack the sitting one, Luke will pat your back saying "good job, kid." Clem looks away fast and smirks, grabs her arm in a shy manner and say "ow." Then they proceed to have a very awkward 5 second stare, smiling at each other before walking on to the bridge. Now, I'm a big fan of Luke, but I'm getting weird feelings from him. He's extremely nice to Clem, and we've seen that he gives Nick a hard time and generally acts tough, for the group's survival. I get the feeling that some slight pedo love is going on here between Luke and Clem, and I feel like that could be a plot twist later on, which is especially a blow to Clem since she looks up to Luke as a type of role-model, a sort of alternate Lee in a way. If he does something to hurt her than that will break her even more. Just food for thought, you can find the video on YT of the area I'm talking about, but I think we all remember.
Oh my god, guys, I just tried something that is absolutely HORRIBLE. Play all of the themes at once, so that they start all around the same time. It just shouts the word 'insanity' if you ask me.
Why the hell would you want that?!
Oh man
can u link it to us?
You're a genius - they do all sound like layers of the same piece of music.
I'm sure if telltale went down that road, they would handle it better than the way the comics and tv show handles Carl. Clem's smart, Carl.. not so much. Clem is the main character, while Carl is a less important character used for the sake of having a kid that Rick cares about. I think of it as more of a hollow and unforgiving Clem than a bratty and edgy one.