For the record, Lilly actually gets along with Lee pretty well if Lee sides with her in disputes. In that respect, she isn't any different from Kenny except for the ending.
I don't understand actual support for Lilly, but I personally think it would be interesting to have her back in a more villainous role, as p… moreart of Carver's group perhaps?
But yeah, people who actually like Lilly and want her to return, no I'm with you, I don't understand it.
I never said "I think we should kill people who have affairs." I never said that, I said, "I don't disagree with Lee's decision, even though that doesn't justify it." Those are WAY different statements. I also didn't say it wasn't a crime, you are putting words in my mouth now. Not cool dude.
Lilly didn't need to accuse and threaten Carley did she? She didn't need to make Carley feel threatened and unwelcome, and like absolute shit after trying to help the group.
Here we are at the end of another post, and I want to shoot her still. I think it's the right answer.
Just because you have no personal emotional investment in the person doesn't make their murder less of a crime.
'I think he got what he d… moreeserved': So you think we should kill people who have affairs? That's not cool dude...
Carley didn't need to call Lilly a 'scared little girl' did she? She didn't need to imply that Lilly had never helped anyone, even though Lilly had been doing her best to keep them all alive. She didn't need to make Lilly feel like absolute shit after trying to help the group.
I don't at all agree with Lilly, and I think she deserves punishment. But I don't think murdering her for that is the right answer.
They started driving when she was up on the railing, and were moving forward before she got in!
Kenny even says 'Leave her!'
Do we know the guy lee killed was a scumbag? Are we certain that he knew Lee's wife was married? Are we certain that they weren't actually in love, but Lee's wife was scared to break it off with Lee?
What? The group never tried to drive off without her. I'm assuming you're talking about when the group was fleeing the motor inn.. but they … moregave her enough time to get on board, Kenny even waited until basically the last possible second. And even though she was in a delicate mental state, that doesn't justify shooting a valued group member in the face just because they had said something mean to her. Carley/Doug were good people who did not deserve death. At least the guy Lee killed was a scumbag who had greatly personally wronged him.. and from what we hear in the game he didn't even mean to do it. I'm not saying his actions were justified, but its a completely different situation from what Lilly did. You're looking at this situation in black and white.
Lilly's actions were not too far out of character, where as Lee's actions were very out of character.
For the record, Lilly actually gets along with Lee pretty well if Lee sides with her in disputes. In that respect, she isn't any different from Kenny except for the ending.
I never said "I think we should kill people who have affairs." I never said that, I said, "I don't disagree with Lee's decision, even though… more that doesn't justify it." Those are WAY different statements. I also didn't say it wasn't a crime, you are putting words in my mouth now. Not cool dude.
Lilly didn't need to accuse and threaten Carley did she? She didn't need to make Carley feel threatened and unwelcome, and like absolute shit after trying to help the group.
Here we are at the end of another post, and I want to shoot her still. I think it's the right answer.
I still didn't say, "I think we should kill all people who have affairs." He was a dishonest politician, and I think that is enough to warrant it. I can see that you have no intention to let up, but let me leave you with this. We are never going to agree or come to some sort of middle ground on this subject. End it with this post.
Kenny never said that, at least not while they were in the RV. He said it right after Katjaa and Duck were attacked by a walker. I'd expect him to be a little antsy after that. And yes, they started driving. So what? That's smart. Should they have waited until she was in the vehicle before getting moving? Come on.. they waited around as long as they could. I really don't think it was issue with anyone.
I suppose the senator may not have known that Lee's wife was married. Either way, it doesn't change much. The situations are still vastly different.
They started driving when she was up on the railing, and were moving forward before she got in!
Kenny even says 'Leave her!'
Do we kno… morew the guy lee killed was a scumbag? Are we certain that he knew Lee's wife was married? Are we certain that they weren't actually in love, but Lee's wife was scared to break it off with Lee?
I still didn't say, "I think we should kill all people who have affairs." He was a dishonest politician, and I think that is enough to warra… morent it. I can see that you have no intention to let up, but let me leave you with this. We are never going to agree or come to some sort of middle ground on this subject. End it with this post.
'The bandits later attacked the Motor Inn, and the group fled in the RV. Still hostile toward Lilly, Kenny called for Lee to leave her behind, but she eventually got in the vehicle. After Lilly killed either Doug or Carley, he once against insisted that she was left behind, and Lee can either agree or disagree with him. It was then that Katjaa revealed that Duck had been bitten during the attack.'
If that isn't enough, it happens at 42:58 in this video:
Kenny: 'Screw her! Let her stay!'
And they didn't wait 'as long as they could': walkers were no where near the rv at that time. They easily had another 20 seconds.
Kenny never said that, at least not while they were in the RV. He said it right after Katjaa and Duck were attacked by a walker. I'd expect … morehim to be a little antsy after that. And yes, they started driving. So what? That's smart. Should they have waited until she was in the vehicle before getting moving? Come on.. they waited around as long as they could. I really don't think it was issue with anyone.
I suppose the senator may not have known that Lee's wife was married. Either way, it doesn't change much. The situations are still vastly different.
We don't know he was dishonest as we don't know circumstance.
And the implication of you saying 'That man deserved to be killed because he was having an affair' is that having an affair warrants killing.
Except I never said that. Once again you are putting words in my mouth. I was talking about him being a sleazy senator, and the affair is a part of that. I also said that it wasn't justified, I just didn't disagree with Lee's decision. My personal feelings don't dictate the justice system. I'm done arguing with you, you continue to circumnavigate the point of the argument to try and perceive me as a bad person. This is the last reply you are going to get out of me.
We don't know he was dishonest as we don't know circumstance.
And the implication of you saying 'That man deserved to be killed because he was having an affair' is that having an affair warrants killing.
Except I never said that. Once again you are putting words in my mouth. I was talking about him being a sleazy senator, and the affair is a … morepart of that. I also said that it wasn't justified, I just didn't disagree with Lee's decision. My personal feelings don't dictate the justice system. I'm done arguing with you, you continue to circumnavigate the point of the argument to try and perceive me as a bad person. This is the last reply you are going to get out of me.
Like I said in my post above, he said it right after Katjaa and Duck got tackled by a walker. Duck got bit in the process. Do you really think Kenny would want to stick around after that? That's why he said what he said. No one was even in the RV at that point. Carly and Lee stuck around to kill walkers awhile longer after. Even before driving off, Lee told Lilly it was her last chance to get down to the RV. They told her they were leaving and she needed to get down there. They started to get going (like smart people) and Lilly had enough time to get inside. Its not like they were just ditching her without warning. She would have zero reason to be offended. And no, they did not have another 20 seconds to get out of there. The place was getting swarmed. They would have to be stupid to stick around that long.
Sorry to let you down, but yes, he did:
Quote from the wiki:
'The bandits later attacked the Motor Inn, and the group fled in the RV. … moreStill hostile toward Lilly, Kenny called for Lee to leave her behind, but she eventually got in the vehicle. After Lilly killed either Doug or Carley, he once against insisted that she was left behind, and Lee can either agree or disagree with him. It was then that Katjaa revealed that Duck had been bitten during the attack.'
If that isn't enough, it happens at 42:58 in this video:
Kenny: 'Screw her! Let her stay!'
And they didn't wait 'as long as they could': walkers were no where near the rv at that time. They easily had another 20 seconds.
You're stretching so hard..
Like I said in my post above, he said it right after Katjaa and Duck got tackled by a walker. Duck got bit in… more the process. Do you really think Kenny would want to stick around after that? That's why he said what he said. No one was even in the RV at that point. Carly and Lee stuck around to kill walkers awhile longer after. Even before driving off, Lee told Lilly it was her last chance to get down to the RV. They told her they were leaving and she needed to get down there. They started to get going (like smart people) and Lilly had enough time to get inside. Its not like they were just ditching her without warning. She would have zero reason to be offended. And no, they did not have another 20 seconds to get out of there. The place was getting swarmed. They would have to be stupid to stick around that long.
Alright, last reply for real this time. You are taking part of the quote and using it to misconstrue what I said. Read the line after what you have highlighted. I didn't say it all in one sentence because then it would have been a run on. Stop circumnavigating the argument with falsified personal attacks, and stay on topic if you would like to continue the discussion. Dirty journalism tactics are not needed here.
Edit: You edited your post so I'll edit mine. The top still applies, but with the knowledge we have ingame he is made out to be a sleazy no good senator. I'm basing my opinion off of what I know based on the information I was given. I also said in another post, and I quote, "I also said that it wasn't justified, I just didn't disagree with Lee's decision. My personal feelings don't dictate the justice system." So once again, if you would like to continue the discussion about Lilly start staying on topic.
Yes you DID!
This is one of your posts above!
'As I said, Lee killed the senator off screen. I had no emotional investment in that sen… moreator, and as I said, I think he deserved what he got.'
You've just admitted that we don't know he was a sleazy senator, so it clearly can't logically be for that reason!
I'm talking about your theory of Lilly being offended about "them leaving her behind".
I said Kenny never said that while they were in the RV. He said it because Duck and Katjaa just got tackled by a walker. Do you honestly think he would want to stick around for anyone at that point?
'You're stretching so hard'
Dude...come on, you specifically said 'Kenny never said that'. I think you're being a bit mean.
And ben, Katjaa, Clementine and duck were in the RV.
I read that line, but you have just said that we don't know he was a sleazy senator, so that doesn't make sense.
And I'm genuinely not personally attacking you. I'm really sorry if I've come across like that, but I was just discussing this with you.
Bear in mind that disagreeing with you isn't the same as 'personally attacking you' (that would be if I said you were a bad guy, or stupid, or anything like that, none of which I believe).
Alright, last reply for real this time. You are taking part of the quote and using it to misconstrue what I said. Read the line after what y… moreou have highlighted. I didn't say it all in one sentence because then it would have been a run on. Stop circumnavigating the argument with falsified personal attacks, and stay on topic if you would like to continue the discussion. Dirty journalism tactics are not needed here.
Edit: You edited your post so I'll edit mine. The top still applies, but with the knowledge we have ingame he is made out to be a sleazy no good senator. I'm basing my opinion off of what I know based on the information I was given. I also said in another post, and I quote, "I also said that it wasn't justified, I just didn't disagree with Lee's decision. My personal feelings don't dictate the justice system." So once again, if you would like to continue the discussion about Lilly start staying on topic.
Most people forget, in the Doug playthrough him getting killed was an accident. And she was right about someone in the group giving the bandits supplies. I would just like to see her character arc finished since this Lilly is no longer related to the comics+books or show.
I didn't say we don't know, at least I can't find a post where I did, I said, "with the knowledge we have ingame he is made out to be a sleazy no good senator. I'm basing my opinion off of what I know based on the information I was given."
I read that line, but you have just said that we don't know he was a sleazy senator, so that doesn't make sense.
And I'm genuinely not pe… morersonally attacking you. I'm really sorry if I've come across like that, but I was just discussing this with you.
Bear in mind that disagreeing with you isn't the same as 'personally attacking you' (that would be if I said you were a bad guy, or stupid, or anything like that, none of which I believe).
Oh, I thought you acknowledged that we don't know whether the senator knew Lee's wife was married. That must have been someone else, so my mistake.
Anyway I'm getting tired of this. I mean, I think you're still cool and I respect your opinion, but apparently I'm just making attacks on your personality rather than talking about Lilly, which is what I intended to do.
I didn't say we don't know, at least I can't find a post where I did, I said, "with the knowledge we have ingame he is made out to be a sleazy no good senator. I'm basing my opinion off of what I know based on the information I was given."
Well the discussion turned from what Lilly did to my opinion on just punishment for adulterers and dishonest senators, so it seemed that way to me. Anyways, discussion over. We end on a positive note; have a nice.
Oh, I thought you acknowledged that we don't know whether the senator knew Lee's wife was married. That must have been someone else, so my m… moreistake.
Anyway I'm getting tired of this. I mean, I think you're still cool and I respect your opinion, but apparently I'm just making attacks on your personality rather than talking about Lilly, which is what I intended to do.
So, I apologise, and say farewell.
Well the discussion turned from what Lilly did to my opinion on just punishment for adulterers and dishonest senators, so it seemed that way to me. Anyways, discussion over. We end on a positive note; have a nice.
Trying to justify Lilly's actions on the fact she was in a delicate mental state, she had just lost her dad and booh booh in just sad and wrong
Everyone in the walking dead is constantly in a delicate mental state, everyone has seen friends and relatives die. I.e. Carley saw her friend from tv being eaten alive in front of her. Lee saw his brother turned into a zombie and had to kill him again. Clementine saw her babysitter turned into a monster and Shawn being eaten alive.
All Lilly really cared about was her father. If she had to choose between saving her father and let the whole group die or leave her father and save the others, she would've saved Larry without a doubt.
Given this point, i actually hope not to see her again. As i said in another thread, It's ok to let a charachter return, but if all surviving charachters from season 1 start coming back, things would get cheesy really fast, even by the fact that Clem is now in North Carolina and nowhere near Macon. We already have a perfect villain in Carver and possibly Nate, so adding Lilly would just be unnecessary.
Trying to justify Lilly's actions on the fact she was in a delicate mental state, she had just lost her dad and booh booh in just sad and wr… moreong
Everyone in the walking dead is constantly in a delicate mental state, everyone has seen friends and relatives die. I.e. Carley saw her friend from tv being eaten alive in front of her. Lee saw his brother turned into a zombie and had to kill him again. Clementine saw her babysitter turned into a monster and Shawn being eaten alive.
All Lilly really cared about was her father. If she had to choose between saving her father and let the whole group die or leave her father and save the others, she would've saved Larry without a doubt.
Given this point, i actually hope not to see her again. As i said in another thread, It's ok to let a charachter return, but if all surviving charachters from season 1 start coming back, things would get cheesy really fast, even by the fact that Clem is now in Nort… [view original content]
If it was at all the same, she would have shot Kenny for killing her dad. But she shot Carley, for putting her in her place and making her look stupid. I like Lilly, and I can relate, I've snapped and done things that surprise even me. But there was no justification there. What Lee did was 'revenge', and I can get behind that reasoning, even if its wrong.
To summarize, they were both wrong, but Lilly took it out on the wrong person.
If it was at all the same, she would have shot Kenny for killing her dad. But she shot Carley, for putting her in her place and making her … morelook stupid. I like Lilly, and I can relate, I've snapped and done things that surprise even me. But there was no justification there. What Lee did was 'revenge', and I can get behind that reasoning, even if its wrong.
To summarize, they were both wrong, but Lilly took it out on the wrong person.
I actually said that too basically lol, "Kenny had an outburst of anger at Ben, who was at fault. Ben was actually at fault, as was the senator Lee killed.
Lilly had a burst of anger at Carley, who was simply defending herself from the self-nominated inquisitor. If Lilly shot Kenny I would understand her better."
I actually said that too basically lol, "Kenny had an outburst of anger at Ben, who was at fault. Ben was actually at fault, as was the sena… moretor Lee killed.
Lilly had a burst of anger at Carley, who was simply defending herself from the self-nominated inquisitor. If Lilly shot Kenny I would understand her better."
Also, I agree as well, obviously.
Certainly doesn't. I would be more understanding if she had shot Ben or Kenny, since it was all Ben's fault, and it would have been revenge against Kenny. Having hit Doug was an accident. When I first saw the game it was my friend playing, and he didn't leave her behind. I didn't know for sure it was Ben at the time, but I always felt like he was the weakest link, and that it was probably him, so I agreed with the decision to keep her in the group. I was mad when she pulled away though. Then in my actual playthrough she shot Carley for defending herself, and since then I've hated her. In my friends playthrough it would make sense for Clem to be glad to see Lilly, but certainly not in mine.
Hmm...well I suppose that, even though Ben did do it, Lilly didn't actually have any evidence for it, so her killing him still wasn't really justified?
Certainly doesn't. I would be more understanding if she had shot Ben or Kenny, since it was all Ben's fault, and it would have been revenge … moreagainst Kenny. Having hit Doug was an accident. When I first saw the game it was my friend playing, and he didn't leave her behind. I didn't know for sure it was Ben at the time, but I always felt like he was the weakest link, and that it was probably him, so I agreed with the decision to keep her in the group. I was mad when she pulled away though. Then in my actual playthrough she shot Carley for defending herself, and since then I've hated her. In my friends playthrough it would make sense for Clem to be glad to see Lilly, but certainly not in mine.
It wouldn't have been, no, but in terms of survival I think the group may have been better off. Telltale definitely created a great and lasting conflict with S1 E3. There are so many what ifs that could have prevented the entire scenario. If Ben would just have been honest with the people that took him in, gave him shelter, and fed him, then they could have just left supplies one last time and taken off in the RV. Anything would have been better than how it turned out, lol.
Hmm...well I suppose that, even though Ben did do it, Lilly didn't actually have any evidence for it, so her killing him still wasn't really justified?
lol yeah maybe likeable is a bit of a long shot. I found her strangely likeable anyway. All I know is that through my first playthrough I always took her side, because I always agreed with her. But yeah, I totally agree with you.
Interesting? Yes, definitely she was an interesting character. Likeable... Well, I'm not even sure that Telltale wanted her to be likeable. … moreEven if you supported her and agreed with her, she was generally a negative and unpleasant person. Now I'm not saying they wanted people to hate her, but I'm sure that likeable was never high on the list when writing her character. I actually want her to return because like you said, she was interesting. However, if she does try to redeem herself, I will be completely unforgiving. Personally, I think a villainous role would be more interesting.
Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate?
She's hated because she's a murderous, backstabbing, whiny, hypocritical coward.
Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do.
We saw enough on screen to determine how bad she is.
As UndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger.
Lee killed a guy in a fight by accident with reason and showed remorse.
Lilly killed a woman in cold blood on purpose for no reason and showed no remorse.
I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die.
Really? That's your excuse? People die? Yeah people die but that doesn't give her or anyone a reason to shoot an unarmed woman that never did anything to her.
And for some reason when your watching Jolene's video and Clementine is playing with chalk on the sidewalk. Lilly goes up to Clementine kneels down and talks to her. That may not mean much but it means a lot to me.
It means nothing, her leaving Clem to die later on showed she never cared.
She lost it a little but seriously. How would you feel if a person you hated dropped a salt lick on one of your parents heads. That's really brutal if you ask me.
She's not the only one to lose someone in TWD world. I'm sure other people who'd lose a parent wont go on and murder someone that never did anything to them.
Kenny scared Clementine even more.
She didn't look scared when she saw him at the ski lodge
He drops a salt lick on a mans head right in front of her.
He drops a salt lick on a seemingly dead guy who tried to murder her caring guardian in which she also witnessed. Lilly killed a kind hearted woman or attempted to kill a good friend of Clem in front of her.
He swears all the time in front of her.
I know you're a Lilly fan but come on man, don't act like she doesn't swear in front of her also.
He runs away with Duck leaving Shawn to die.
As opposed to Lilly who runs away with the RV and leaves everyone else to die. At least when Kenny did it, it was to get his son clear from danger.
He becomes a hard man who's only goal is a boat.
And this is bad how? The Motel became unsafe and they were out in the middle of the road, you need a plan for things like this.
He takes the food in the car when Lilly and Clementine disagree.
Well considering that they were all hungry and Lilly does nothing while Kenny is the one that looks for food with Lee, you can't blame him for taking it. If anyone is to blame, it's The Stranger.
Kenny wants to shoot the girl while Lilly would rather end her suffering.
Do you honestly think Lilly would've shot that woman if she was in Kenny's position? She got angry at Carley & Glenn for saving Lee, Clem & Kenny's family as she would've left them outside to be eaten, the same with Ben when she went off at Lee, Mark & Kenny so why would she waste a bullet for someone who was bit, as she said previously "We are not responsible for any struggling survivor we come across", it just goes to show you how much of a hypocrite she is.
He would rather look for a boat then let Omid rest up.
You mean the scene where he continued walking instead of letting Omid rest in the middle of the streets. They found a house didn't they where he rested up.
I honestly don't see how people like Kenny more then Lilly. Its a mustache, then a beard... WHO CARES?
Because Kenny stuck by you until the end no matter what decisions you made with him while Lilly never gave a damn about you. No matter what you do for her, it will always come down with the same result. She'll leave you and Clem to die, lie to you, selfishly throw you under the bus by revealing that you killed a man, murder someone you've gotten close with, doesn't care that her dad tried to murder you and always yells at you and the whole group and she does this even if you were on her side. As I previously stated, Lilly killed someone you've gotten close with and betrays your trust while Kenny saved your life from Lilly's father and will put himself in danger to save a woman or put a teenager that got his family killed out of his misery in the risk that he might get devoured. Kenny can be a prick at times but there will be times where he's a selfless hero, Lilly will always be a selfish bitch. Why some people prefer Lilly over Kenny I'll never know even with the arguments Lilly fans give.
He makes the rashest decisions. I agree killing Larry had to be done but I would rather he eat us all then let Clementine witness that crap.
Wow, I don't know what to say about this. You'd let yourself and a little girl get eaten just so she wouldn't have to witness a possibly dead body getting put down before reanimation?
You're criticizing Kenny for doing this but Lilly did the same in murdering an innocent woman/attempted to murder a teenager right in front of Clem but you seem to ignore this action. Lilly's action is much worse because it was uncalled for and unnecessary.
Its the zombie apocalypse, Kenny's decisions are for survival but they are inhuman. If we are no longer human then what is the point of living?
OK, you're saying Kenny's decisions are rash and inhumane but Lilly murdering an innocent woman, leaving people to die and stabbing people in the back is what? Human?
Your arguments seem to be one sided, you're pointing out things Kenny has done but yet you ignore the fact Lilly has done the same things but worse. I have no idea why some people think Lilly is a darling good person when she has shown that she's a selfish bitch that didn't care about anybody but her dad and her actions demonstrate this from killing a person she was bullying who stood up to her and tried to justifying it afterwards to leaving people like Clem to die after they were generous to let her back in.
Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate? Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do. As … moreUndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger. I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die. And for some reason when your watching Jolene's video and Clementine is playing with chalk on the sidewalk. Lilly goes up to Clementine kneels down and talks to her. That may not mean much but it means a lot to me. She lost it a little but seriously. How would you feel if a person you hated dropped a salt lick on one of your parents heads. That's really brutal if you ask me.
Kenny scared Clementine even more. He drops a salt lick on a mans head right in front of her. He swears all the time in front of her. He runs away with Duck leaving Shawn to die. He becomes a hard man who's only goal is a boat. He takes the food in the car when Lilly a… [view original content]
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Oh, and the fact that they are entirely different characters with vastly different personalities beyond being nice to Lee or not. ._.
Even her voice actress said that she's a bitch!
I never said "I think we should kill people who have affairs." I never said that, I said, "I don't disagree with Lee's decision, even though that doesn't justify it." Those are WAY different statements. I also didn't say it wasn't a crime, you are putting words in my mouth now. Not cool dude.
Lilly didn't need to accuse and threaten Carley did she? She didn't need to make Carley feel threatened and unwelcome, and like absolute shit after trying to help the group.
Here we are at the end of another post, and I want to shoot her still. I think it's the right answer.
Yeah, she's not actually supposed to be that much of a likeable character...
In that respect, they're the same. If you're not friendly to them, then they both come across as completely selfish, vindictive assholes.
They started driving when she was up on the railing, and were moving forward before she got in!
Kenny even says 'Leave her!'
Do we know the guy lee killed was a scumbag? Are we certain that he knew Lee's wife was married? Are we certain that they weren't actually in love, but Lee's wife was scared to break it off with Lee?
She still treats the group as a whole like garbage. I can't bring myself to agree with that kind of person.
Dude, I quoted the bit about affairs.
You said 'I think he got what he deserved'. He was killed, ergo you think he deserved to be killed.
I still didn't say, "I think we should kill all people who have affairs." He was a dishonest politician, and I think that is enough to warrant it. I can see that you have no intention to let up, but let me leave you with this. We are never going to agree or come to some sort of middle ground on this subject. End it with this post.
Kenny never said that, at least not while they were in the RV. He said it right after Katjaa and Duck were attacked by a walker. I'd expect him to be a little antsy after that. And yes, they started driving. So what? That's smart. Should they have waited until she was in the vehicle before getting moving? Come on.. they waited around as long as they could. I really don't think it was issue with anyone.
I suppose the senator may not have known that Lee's wife was married. Either way, it doesn't change much. The situations are still vastly different.
We don't know he was dishonest as we don't know circumstance.
And the implication of you saying 'That man deserved to be killed because he was having an affair' is that having an affair warrants killing.
Sorry to let you down, but yes, he did:
Quote from the wiki:
'The bandits later attacked the Motor Inn, and the group fled in the RV. Still hostile toward Lilly, Kenny called for Lee to leave her behind, but she eventually got in the vehicle. After Lilly killed either Doug or Carley, he once against insisted that she was left behind, and Lee can either agree or disagree with him. It was then that Katjaa revealed that Duck had been bitten during the attack.'
If that isn't enough, it happens at 42:58 in this video:
Kenny: 'Screw her! Let her stay!'
And they didn't wait 'as long as they could': walkers were no where near the rv at that time. They easily had another 20 seconds.
None of this even matters. What Lee did was wrong, but its still a lot different than Lilly's situation.
Except I never said that. Once again you are putting words in my mouth. I was talking about him being a sleazy senator, and the affair is a part of that. I also said that it wasn't justified, I just didn't disagree with Lee's decision. My personal feelings don't dictate the justice system. I'm done arguing with you, you continue to circumnavigate the point of the argument to try and perceive me as a bad person. This is the last reply you are going to get out of me.
Yes you DID!
This is one of your posts above!
'As I said, Lee killed the senator off screen. I had no emotional investment in that senator, and as I said, I think he deserved what he got.'
You've just admitted that we don't know he was a sleazy senator, so it clearly can't logically be for that reason!
You're stretching so hard..
Like I said in my post above, he said it right after Katjaa and Duck got tackled by a walker. Duck got bit in the process. Do you really think Kenny would want to stick around after that? That's why he said what he said. No one was even in the RV at that point. Carly and Lee stuck around to kill walkers awhile longer after. Even before driving off, Lee told Lilly it was her last chance to get down to the RV. They told her they were leaving and she needed to get down there. They started to get going (like smart people) and Lilly had enough time to get inside. Its not like they were just ditching her without warning. She would have zero reason to be offended. And no, they did not have another 20 seconds to get out of there. The place was getting swarmed. They would have to be stupid to stick around that long.
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'You're stretching so hard'
Dude...come on, you specifically said 'Kenny never said that'. I think you're being a bit mean.
And ben, Katjaa, Clementine and duck were in the RV.
Alright, last reply for real this time. You are taking part of the quote and using it to misconstrue what I said. Read the line after what you have highlighted. I didn't say it all in one sentence because then it would have been a run on. Stop circumnavigating the argument with falsified personal attacks, and stay on topic if you would like to continue the discussion. Dirty journalism tactics are not needed here.
Edit: You edited your post so I'll edit mine. The top still applies, but with the knowledge we have ingame he is made out to be a sleazy no good senator. I'm basing my opinion off of what I know based on the information I was given. I also said in another post, and I quote, "I also said that it wasn't justified, I just didn't disagree with Lee's decision. My personal feelings don't dictate the justice system." So once again, if you would like to continue the discussion about Lilly start staying on topic.
I'm talking about your theory of Lilly being offended about "them leaving her behind".
I said Kenny never said that while they were in the RV. He said it because Duck and Katjaa just got tackled by a walker. Do you honestly think he would want to stick around for anyone at that point?
I read that line, but you have just said that we don't know he was a sleazy senator, so that doesn't make sense.
And I'm genuinely not personally attacking you. I'm really sorry if I've come across like that, but I was just discussing this with you.
Bear in mind that disagreeing with you isn't the same as 'personally attacking you' (that would be if I said you were a bad guy, or stupid, or anything like that, none of which I believe).
Regardless, she still flipped out and tried to kill someone.
Most people forget, in the Doug playthrough him getting killed was an accident. And she was right about someone in the group giving the bandits supplies. I would just like to see her character arc finished since this Lilly is no longer related to the comics+books or show.
I didn't say we don't know, at least I can't find a post where I did, I said, "with the knowledge we have ingame he is made out to be a sleazy no good senator. I'm basing my opinion off of what I know based on the information I was given."
Oh, I thought you acknowledged that we don't know whether the senator knew Lee's wife was married. That must have been someone else, so my mistake.
Anyway I'm getting tired of this. I mean, I think you're still cool and I respect your opinion, but apparently I'm just making attacks on your personality rather than talking about Lilly, which is what I intended to do.
So, I apologise, and say farewell.
Well the discussion turned from what Lilly did to my opinion on just punishment for adulterers and dishonest senators, so it seemed that way to me. Anyways, discussion over. We end on a positive note; have a nice.
'A nice'?
Don't leave me in suspense eddie
Lol, didn't realize I missed that. Have a nice day. There we go.
Hah, you too mate
Trying to justify Lilly's actions on the fact she was in a delicate mental state, she had just lost her dad and booh booh in just sad and wrong
Everyone in the walking dead is constantly in a delicate mental state, everyone has seen friends and relatives die. I.e. Carley saw her friend from tv being eaten alive in front of her. Lee saw his brother turned into a zombie and had to kill him again. Clementine saw her babysitter turned into a monster and Shawn being eaten alive.
All Lilly really cared about was her father. If she had to choose between saving her father and let the whole group die or leave her father and save the others, she would've saved Larry without a doubt.
Given this point, i actually hope not to see her again. As i said in another thread, It's ok to let a charachter return, but if all surviving charachters from season 1 start coming back, things would get cheesy really fast, even by the fact that Clem is now in North Carolina and nowhere near Macon. We already have a perfect villain in Carver and possibly Nate, so adding Lilly would just be unnecessary.
The thin is, Kenny is pretty similar to Lilly in this respect.
But people say 'Kenny just lost his wife and son' to justify his actions, don't they?
If Kenny had to choose between saving his family and let the whole group die, he would have saved them without a doubt.
If it was at all the same, she would have shot Kenny for killing her dad. But she shot Carley, for putting her in her place and making her look stupid. I like Lilly, and I can relate, I've snapped and done things that surprise even me. But there was no justification there. What Lee did was 'revenge', and I can get behind that reasoning, even if its wrong.
To summarize, they were both wrong, but Lilly took it out on the wrong person.
That's the best point against Lilly's actions I've seen here. Completely agree.
I actually said that too basically lol, "Kenny had an outburst of anger at Ben, who was at fault. Ben was actually at fault, as was the senator Lee killed.
Lilly had a burst of anger at Carley, who was simply defending herself from the self-nominated inquisitor. If Lilly shot Kenny I would understand her better."
Also, I agree as well, obviously.
Oh yeah haha
I suppose this argument doesn't hold up in Doug's situation though, as she tries to shoot Ben, who WAS at fault
Certainly doesn't. I would be more understanding if she had shot Ben or Kenny, since it was all Ben's fault, and it would have been revenge against Kenny. Having hit Doug was an accident. When I first saw the game it was my friend playing, and he didn't leave her behind. I didn't know for sure it was Ben at the time, but I always felt like he was the weakest link, and that it was probably him, so I agreed with the decision to keep her in the group. I was mad when she pulled away though. Then in my actual playthrough she shot Carley for defending herself, and since then I've hated her. In my friends playthrough it would make sense for Clem to be glad to see Lilly, but certainly not in mine.
Hmm...well I suppose that, even though Ben did do it, Lilly didn't actually have any evidence for it, so her killing him still wasn't really justified?
It wouldn't have been, no, but in terms of survival I think the group may have been better off. Telltale definitely created a great and lasting conflict with S1 E3. There are so many what ifs that could have prevented the entire scenario. If Ben would just have been honest with the people that took him in, gave him shelter, and fed him, then they could have just left supplies one last time and taken off in the RV. Anything would have been better than how it turned out, lol.
lol yeah maybe likeable is a bit of a long shot. I found her strangely likeable anyway. All I know is that through my first playthrough I always took her side, because I always agreed with her. But yeah, I totally agree with you.
She's hated because she's a murderous, backstabbing, whiny, hypocritical coward.
We saw enough on screen to determine how bad she is.
Lee killed a guy in a fight by accident with reason and showed remorse.
Lilly killed a woman in cold blood on purpose for no reason and showed no remorse.
Really? That's your excuse? People die? Yeah people die but that doesn't give her or anyone a reason to shoot an unarmed woman that never did anything to her.
It means nothing, her leaving Clem to die later on showed she never cared.
She's not the only one to lose someone in TWD world. I'm sure other people who'd lose a parent wont go on and murder someone that never did anything to them.
She didn't look scared when she saw him at the ski lodge
He drops a salt lick on a seemingly dead guy who tried to murder her caring guardian in which she also witnessed. Lilly killed a kind hearted woman or attempted to kill a good friend of Clem in front of her.
I know you're a Lilly fan but come on man, don't act like she doesn't swear in front of her also.
As opposed to Lilly who runs away with the RV and leaves everyone else to die. At least when Kenny did it, it was to get his son clear from danger.
And this is bad how? The Motel became unsafe and they were out in the middle of the road, you need a plan for things like this.
Well considering that they were all hungry and Lilly does nothing while Kenny is the one that looks for food with Lee, you can't blame him for taking it. If anyone is to blame, it's The Stranger.
Do you honestly think Lilly would've shot that woman if she was in Kenny's position? She got angry at Carley & Glenn for saving Lee, Clem & Kenny's family as she would've left them outside to be eaten, the same with Ben when she went off at Lee, Mark & Kenny so why would she waste a bullet for someone who was bit, as she said previously "We are not responsible for any struggling survivor we come across", it just goes to show you how much of a hypocrite she is.
You mean the scene where he continued walking instead of letting Omid rest in the middle of the streets. They found a house didn't they where he rested up.
Because Kenny stuck by you until the end no matter what decisions you made with him while Lilly never gave a damn about you. No matter what you do for her, it will always come down with the same result. She'll leave you and Clem to die, lie to you, selfishly throw you under the bus by revealing that you killed a man, murder someone you've gotten close with, doesn't care that her dad tried to murder you and always yells at you and the whole group and she does this even if you were on her side. As I previously stated, Lilly killed someone you've gotten close with and betrays your trust while Kenny saved your life from Lilly's father and will put himself in danger to save a woman or put a teenager that got his family killed out of his misery in the risk that he might get devoured. Kenny can be a prick at times but there will be times where he's a selfless hero, Lilly will always be a selfish bitch. Why some people prefer Lilly over Kenny I'll never know even with the arguments Lilly fans give.
Wow, I don't know what to say about this. You'd let yourself and a little girl get eaten just so she wouldn't have to witness a possibly dead body getting put down before reanimation?
You're criticizing Kenny for doing this but Lilly did the same in murdering an innocent woman/attempted to murder a teenager right in front of Clem but you seem to ignore this action. Lilly's action is much worse because it was uncalled for and unnecessary.
OK, you're saying Kenny's decisions are rash and inhumane but Lilly murdering an innocent woman, leaving people to die and stabbing people in the back is what? Human?
Your arguments seem to be one sided, you're pointing out things Kenny has done but yet you ignore the fact Lilly has done the same things but worse. I have no idea why some people think Lilly is a darling good person when she has shown that she's a selfish bitch that didn't care about anybody but her dad and her actions demonstrate this from killing a person she was bullying who stood up to her and tried to justifying it afterwards to leaving people like Clem to die after they were generous to let her back in.