no I'm not saying that at all! I replyed to @Night_Owl 's remark about Luke and Rebecca are only people who know Carver is the father to Rebecca's baby. I am not making a rumors that Luke is the father, geez next please read my comment better.
Really?!?! no I am not saying that at all man. if you read my comment at all you would know that. I am done, think whatever you want man. I am not saying Rebecca and Luke are an item, I am saying that I think Alvin would have overheard Rebecca and Clememtine talking about Carver, and start wonder why. That's all, okay? I am not comment back to your reply. Next time you want a fight read the comment before you start yelling at someone.
Really?!?! no I am not saying that at all man. if you read my comment at all you would know that. I am done, think whatever you want man. I… more am not saying Rebecca and Luke are an item, I am saying that I think Alvin would have overheard Rebecca and Clememtine talking about Carver, and start wonder why. That's all, okay? I am not comment back to your reply. Next time you want a fight read the comment before you start yelling at someone.
For all we know Luke was just hiding in the forest and waiting for the right moment to strike, I know if I was in that situation I wouldn't be turning my self in to Carver - I'd follow the group until there was an opening for an attack. I don't think Luke has abandoned his friends. I think he's making plans...
But as AusZombie said, Kenny said that Luke was complaining, so he told him to take a hike. But why would he leave his entire group that he … moresaved from Carver just because Kenny told him to take a hike. Wouldn't he have just left Kenny and returned to the lodge? Why would he leave his everyone?
Luke fought for Clementine against the group, but was unfortunately outnumbered. He didn't want to put her in the shed. Luke didn't leave Clementine to deal with 2 walkers on the bridge. Luke wanted Clem to follow him because he was planning for them to turn back since killing one walker is easier than killing two. That was made official by bubbledncr who is the lead animator for the game. I think we can take her word for it since she works for Telltale (the creator of the game) and she was in charge of the animating of that scene.
I don't think Luke is as good as a guy as people think he is, here's why. He acts all nice after the shits been handled (shed) but not once … morehas he protected Clementine. You could argue about the bridge scene but he left Clem with 2 walkers just to handle one and than he fell. But if Clem had fallen would he have helped her? What if there's a part in the next episode where Clementine is surrounded by a horde of Zombies and Luke is there but does nothing (out of fear like Ben in episode 4, maybe Christa will appear and save Clementine ) but I doubt he is a bad guy but if it came to the point of risking his life to save Clem I think he wouldn't save her since it seems he values his own life more.
Luke seems like an ok guy.
Can definitely handle himself!
I think he has a lot of potential, and will end up being a solid member of the group.
It wouldn't surprised if Luke and Kenny become co-op leaders of the group.
Kenny's tenacious, driven and resilient.
Luke is also driven and resilient, though unlike Kenny, is level-headed and calm.
Together, I think they'd make a good team!
Luke seems like an ok guy.
Can definitely handle himself!
I think he has a lot of potential, and will end up being a solid member of the g… moreroup.
It wouldn't surprised if Luke and Kenny become co-op leaders of the group.
Kenny's tenacious, driven and resilient.
Luke is also driven and resilient, though unlike Kenny, is level-headed and calm.
Together, I think they'd make a good team!
I have a feeling Carver's interest in Rebecca isn't unknown to Alvin. There's always this underlying anger anytime the subject of Carver comes up. During the ep. 1 kitchen discussion, he's all "let him come, I really don't give a damn!" Or his "you know damn well who it was" retort when Rebecca asked for a name after Carver's visit (and the look of silent anger when he leaves the kitchen once it's decided they have to leave).
The only thing he doesn't seem to know is that Rebecca may have reciprocated the interest at one point.
are you talking to me? no.... I mean with that talk to Rebecca, on the road, Clementine can ask why Carver is after Rebecca. Rebecca's answe… morer is "After me? Oh...you must mean us. It's a long story....He has a hard time letting go." I thought Alvin would over hear that and think it was a bit strange. Its not like Rebecca whisper that.
I have a feeling Carver's interest in Rebecca isn't unknown to Alvin. There's always this underlying anger anytime the subject of Carver com… morees up. During the ep. 1 kitchen discussion, he's all "let him come, I really don't give a damn!" Or his "you know damn well who it was" retort when Rebecca asked for a name after Carver's visit (and the look of silent anger when he leaves the kitchen once it's decided they have to leave).
The only thing he doesn't seem to know is that Rebecca may have reciprocated the interest at one point.
Amen.
My Lee and Kenny were pals, so if it ever does come down to where I have to choose Kenny or Luke, in a life or death scenario, I'm going with Kenny.
I would like to think the extent of it would be him cursing and clenching his fists before storming away from Rebecca. But for some reason she seemed really scared of him finding out so perhaps things could get more physical. I hope it's just a misconception on her part. Maybe she came to have this mindset after Alvin supposedly killed his friend.
I see maybe Alvin get angry and leave Rebecca, and because those two aren't in a relationship things might happen. Carver might get his hands on Alvin. If that happens things will get violent. If Alvin dose act violently, he would go after Rebecca or Carver, If its Carver I don't think he will be able to take him.
Rebecca must really wanted a baby, she was in a relationship with a loving husband, they tried for a long time and it didn't work. She gave up her safety, future and her wishes to be with Carver, a man who has no problem with violence and might be a sociopath. Then again if Alvin is a violent person, maybe she chose a man with less problems and run away from a monster of a person Carver. If she is surrounded by violence maybe she believes she can raise her child to not be like that.
I would like to think the extent of it would be him cursing and clenching his fists before storming away from Rebecca. But for some reason s… morehe seemed really scared of him finding out so perhaps things could get more physical. I hope it's just a misconception on her part. Maybe she came to have this mindset after Alvin supposedly killed his friend.
Carver already has both of them in his custody so violence is coming one way or the other.
I think Alvin and Rebecca's marriage may have been strained by the inability to have kids. It's not uncommon for some people to start experiencing feelings of inadequacy after a time and this might've caused a rift between them. And depending on whether they thought the issue was with Alvin or both, Rebecca might have thought herself infertile so she didn't bother worrying about getting knocked up. Which would make the pregnancy just as much a surprise for her as anyone else.
I see maybe Alvin get angry and leave Rebecca, and because those two aren't in a relationship things might happen. Carver might get his hand… mores on Alvin. If that happens things will get violent. If Alvin dose act violently, he would go after Rebecca or Carver, If its Carver I don't think he will be able to take him.
Rebecca must really wanted a baby, she was in a relationship with a loving husband, they tried for a long time and it didn't work. She gave up her safety, future and her wishes to be with Carver, a man who has no problem with violence and might be a sociopath. Then again if Alvin is a violent person, maybe she chose a man with less problems and run away from a monster of a person Carver. If she is surrounded by violence maybe she believes she can raise her child to not be like that.
that's a good point. your right Carver has both of them, there is going to be violence no matter what. Would Alvin stand up to Carver after he has learn the truth, or if he learned that she did reciprocated love for the guy at one point? I just hope that if Alvin acts violently he doesn't come after Rebecca at the same time Carver comes after her. then again maybe Alvin will attack and Carver will defend her
Carver already has both of them in his custody so violence is coming one way or the other.
I think Alvin and Rebecca's marriage may have … morebeen strained by the inability to have kids. It's not uncommon for some people to start experiencing feelings of inadequacy after a time and this might've caused a rift between them. And depending on whether they thought the issue was with Alvin or both, Rebecca might have thought herself infertile so she didn't bother worrying about getting knocked up. Which would make the pregnancy just as much a surprise for her as anyone else.
That could be a possibility, I'll give you that.
But remember this, while playing as Lee, if didn't always agree with Kenny, but looked after his family, in the end Kenny puts any past differences aside and tries to make amends, showing that he's not the type of man to hold onto a grudge forever.
But if Carver would only be after Rebecca's baby, why did he capture the whole group then? There must be something else behind all of this. He can't really see a family in the rest of the group, if it's no big deal for him to torture (Carlos) and kill (Alvin) them. I'm sure they have or know something of importance for him. There will be some plot twists for sure!
Luke didn't change the subject, he just gave you a subtle hint.
Clem: Why would Carver be after us?
Luke: What's the most important th… moreing in this world?
Clem: Family?
Luke: Yes, family. nudge nudge
It was a hint that Carver is after Rebecca's baby. -_-
But if Carver would only be after Rebecca's baby, why did he capture the whole group then? There must be something else behind all of this. … moreHe can't really see a family in the rest of the group, if it's no big deal for him to torture (Carlos) and kill (Alvin) them. I'm sure they have or know something of importance for him. There will be some plot twists for sure!
Yeah you have a point but how long can someone hold a grudge because their friend refused to help them bash someones head in with a salt lick. Unfortunately Kenny is even more mentally unhinged now than he was before but in the end i think he will do what is best for Clem.
That could be a possibility, I'll give you that.
But remember this, while playing as Lee, if didn't always agree with Kenny, but looked aft… moreer his family, in the end Kenny puts any past differences aside and tries to make amends, showing that he's not the type of man to hold onto a grudge forever.
I think Luke means well and is a good person, but he definitely has some vices that we have yet to fully uncover.
As someone else mentioned, he seems like he doesn't like to take "no" for an answer. An example of this we see is Nick's conversation about Luke basically forcing him to go into business together. Another example, when he tells Carlos that he'll take Clem with him on the bridge, if you choose the "I don't think that's a good idea" option (I forget the exact wording), he says something like "Mmm, naw. Naw. You're coming."
Some other side comments can support this as well if you think about it. I know it's silly, but Luke's comment about how he knows how to talk to girls who don't want to talk to him kinda hints at this as well. Rebecca's "Damnit, Luke" implied to me that she was upset that Luke made Alvin go with him. While I don't think Luke would do anything nasty if he doesn't get his way, I think he has definitely tried persuading/guilting people to his favor. I think this will play an important role in finding out how/why their group left Carver's camp.
I also think Luke has a habit of making spur-of-the-moment decisions and being a little indecisive. His and Nick's business venture could be a good example of this as well, although we don't know too much about it. I also saw this during the parts on the bridge. First, when Luke and Clem were going to take down the two walkers before the bridge. If you let the choice timer run and listen to the entire conversation, Luke is pretty much like "Yeah! Let's get 'em! How do we get them? Should we use guns? Wait, maybe this isn't a good idea. (Again, paraphrasing.) A similar string of comments happens when he thinks Clementine should be the one to talk to Matthew on the bridge.
I'm one of those people who thinks that Luke will attempt to help his group escape Carver's camp. But because of his questionable decision making and indecisiveness, I have a feeling his plan won't be very well thought out and he won't be very successful.
So overall, I definitely think Luke has got some character flaws and secrets that have yet to be revealed. I still think he's a great character who has good intentions and I look forward to both his character development and the brother/sister relationship he is building with Clem.
He can't really see a family in the rest of the group, if it's no big deal for him to torture (Carlos) and kill (Alvin) them.
Yet he's talking to everyone when he says they can all go home as a family. It stands to reason his idea of family is obviously pretty twisted (and clearly some are more near and dear to his heart than others). But I agree there's more at play here. Carlos says, "What's done is done" when they're discussing Carver coming after them in the kitchen in ep 1. So there was definitely some action taken on their part that would seemingly anger Carver enough to pursue them.
But if Carver would only be after Rebecca's baby, why did he capture the whole group then? There must be something else behind all of this. … moreHe can't really see a family in the rest of the group, if it's no big deal for him to torture (Carlos) and kill (Alvin) them. I'm sure they have or know something of importance for him. There will be some plot twists for sure!
I agree completely and I think your description on Luke is exactly on point from what we've seen so far.
This is also actually one of the reasons he's one of my favorite characters. Before realizing those "flaws" I thought he seemed too perfect and therefore started to distrust him a bit until the whole bridge conversation when it started to show his stubborness (?) and his whole "can't decide what to do" attitude.
I friggin' love his character though and really hope he'll show up in episode 3!
I think Luke means well and is a good person, but he definitely has some vices that we have yet to fully uncover.
As someone else mention… moreed, he seems like he doesn't like to take "no" for an answer. An example of this we see is Nick's conversation about Luke basically forcing him to go into business together. Another example, when he tells Carlos that he'll take Clem with him on the bridge, if you choose the "I don't think that's a good idea" option (I forget the exact wording), he says something like "Mmm, naw. Naw. You're coming."
Some other side comments can support this as well if you think about it. I know it's silly, but Luke's comment about how he knows how to talk to girls who don't want to talk to him kinda hints at this as well. Rebecca's "Damnit, Luke" implied to me that she was upset that Luke made Alvin go with him. While I don't think Luke would do anything nasty if he doesn't get his way, I think he has definitely tried p… [view original content]
That was a tough situation--my Clementine also advised against saying anything. The situation was just too precarious. I was kind of thinking, "Let's just get through tonight without pissing off our host." I didn't really know how I planned to break that news to Walter, but it just seemed like playing dumb about it was the smartest move for the moment. I didn't like it, but honestly, I didn't want to get tossed out in the middle of the night with Carver and his goons still looking for me.
Plus, on top of that, I promised Pete I would look out for Nick. And I didn't want him putting himself in a position that might just get him killed by a guy who--yeah, seems nice, but you don't really know for sure.
I agree completely and I think your description on Luke is exactly on point from what we've seen so far.
This is also actually one of the r… moreeasons he's one of my favorite characters. Before realizing those "flaws" I thought he seemed too perfect and therefore started to distrust him a bit until the whole bridge conversation when it started to show his stubborness (?) and his whole "can't decide what to do" attitude.
I friggin' love his character though and really hope he'll show up in episode 3!
Yeah, I think this is it, basically. Luke is a charismatic guy--he convinced this group to follow him out of Carver's settlement, or whatever--but Luke probably didn't have a great plan for what they were going to do once they got away. Maybe he knew about the cabin, but didn't think it through far enough to have a Plan B in case Carver decided to come after them.
I like Luke--I think he's a good guy, and definitely not a secret villain. If he disappeared, it's probably because he saw Carver's group closing in and realized he could do more good from a position of stealth--possibly, he even suspected that Carver would just kill him (as Luke was the ringleader) if he allowed himself to be taken.
I think Luke is a good guy but he may have a thing for getting in over his head. There is definitely something shady going on with him thoug… moreh. During the kitchen conversation in episode 1, he questions if the others really think Carver would come after them. Yet in episode 2, he gives Clem a clear hint on why Carver is so insistent on chasing them. So why feign innocent skepticism in front of the group? It seems only he and Rebecca know the real reason for Carver's dogged pursuit and I have a feeling Rebecca and the baby are only a part of it.
I just imagined Kenny actually saying the full line "Take a hike! But just tell me where you're going first!" and it made me laugh so hard. It just sounded so damn weird. (I'm pretty easy to amuse though)
You assume he would even know. If the "take a hike" conversation happened before Carver arrived he'd assume Luke went back to the others. In… more which case Clem's question would just confirm for him that he ran off or got lost. And generally when you tell someone to take a hike you're not concerned where they go to begin with.
"Take a hike! But just tell me where you're going first!" Who does that?
Luke fought for Clementine against the group, but was unfortunately outnumbered. He didn't want to put her in the shed. Luke didn't leave Cl… moreementine to deal with 2 walkers on the bridge. Luke wanted Clem to follow him because he was planning for them to turn back since killing one walker is easier than killing two. That was made official by bubbledncr who is the lead animator for the game. I think we can take her word for it since she works for Telltale (the creator of the game) and she was in charge of the animating of that scene.
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So you're saying Luke and Rebecca are an item? I'm pretty sure she was with Alvin and he was with Nick.
Really?!?! no I am not saying that at all man. if you read my comment at all you would know that. I am done, think whatever you want man. I am not saying Rebecca and Luke are an item, I am saying that I think Alvin would have overheard Rebecca and Clememtine talking about Carver, and start wonder why. That's all, okay? I am not comment back to your reply. Next time you want a fight read the comment before you start yelling at someone.
I dont like him. Whines to much.
When has he ever whined? Are you referring to when Kenny said that Luke was "whining?"
I don't think Alvin and Luke would agree to be in a polygamous relationship with Rebecca.
For all we know Luke was just hiding in the forest and waiting for the right moment to strike, I know if I was in that situation I wouldn't be turning my self in to Carver - I'd follow the group until there was an opening for an attack. I don't think Luke has abandoned his friends. I think he's making plans...
Luke fought for Clementine against the group, but was unfortunately outnumbered. He didn't want to put her in the shed. Luke didn't leave Clementine to deal with 2 walkers on the bridge. Luke wanted Clem to follow him because he was planning for them to turn back since killing one walker is easier than killing two. That was made official by bubbledncr who is the lead animator for the game. I think we can take her word for it since she works for Telltale (the creator of the game) and she was in charge of the animating of that scene.
Luke seems like an ok guy.
Can definitely handle himself!
I think he has a lot of potential, and will end up being a solid member of the group.
It wouldn't surprised if Luke and Kenny become co-op leaders of the group.
Kenny's tenacious, driven and resilient.
Luke is also driven and resilient, though unlike Kenny, is level-headed and calm.
Together, I think they'd make a good team!
I don't know if they will be able to get past their rivalry it seems almost like their going to fight for Clem's friendship.
I have a feeling Carver's interest in Rebecca isn't unknown to Alvin. There's always this underlying anger anytime the subject of Carver comes up. During the ep. 1 kitchen discussion, he's all "let him come, I really don't give a damn!" Or his "you know damn well who it was" retort when Rebecca asked for a name after Carver's visit (and the look of silent anger when he leaves the kitchen once it's decided they have to leave).
The only thing he doesn't seem to know is that Rebecca may have reciprocated the interest at one point.
I didn't think of things that way, yes maybe. Let me ask you this what do you think Alvin will do once he found out he isn't the father?
Amen.
My Lee and Kenny were pals, so if it ever does come down to where I have to choose Kenny or Luke, in a life or death scenario, I'm going with Kenny.
well look at his name he is obviously the real Kenny that's why he said that :P lol
Rebecca says to Clem that Alvin will kill her and she knows him better than Clem does. And apparently he already killed George.
I would like to think the extent of it would be him cursing and clenching his fists before storming away from Rebecca. But for some reason she seemed really scared of him finding out so perhaps things could get more physical. I hope it's just a misconception on her part. Maybe she came to have this mindset after Alvin supposedly killed his friend.
Ohh....yeah she did say that... if that is the case Alvin is a very dramatic character.
I see maybe Alvin get angry and leave Rebecca, and because those two aren't in a relationship things might happen. Carver might get his hands on Alvin. If that happens things will get violent. If Alvin dose act violently, he would go after Rebecca or Carver, If its Carver I don't think he will be able to take him.
Rebecca must really wanted a baby, she was in a relationship with a loving husband, they tried for a long time and it didn't work. She gave up her safety, future and her wishes to be with Carver, a man who has no problem with violence and might be a sociopath. Then again if Alvin is a violent person, maybe she chose a man with less problems and run away from a monster of a person Carver. If she is surrounded by violence maybe she believes she can raise her child to not be like that.
Carver already has both of them in his custody so violence is coming one way or the other.
I think Alvin and Rebecca's marriage may have been strained by the inability to have kids. It's not uncommon for some people to start experiencing feelings of inadequacy after a time and this might've caused a rift between them. And depending on whether they thought the issue was with Alvin or both, Rebecca might have thought herself infertile so she didn't bother worrying about getting knocked up. Which would make the pregnancy just as much a surprise for her as anyone else.
that's a good point. your right Carver has both of them, there is going to be violence no matter what. Would Alvin stand up to Carver after he has learn the truth, or if he learned that she did reciprocated love for the guy at one point? I just hope that if Alvin acts violently he doesn't come after Rebecca at the same time Carver comes after her. then again maybe Alvin will attack and Carver will defend her
That could be a possibility, I'll give you that.
But remember this, while playing as Lee, if didn't always agree with Kenny, but looked after his family, in the end Kenny puts any past differences aside and tries to make amends, showing that he's not the type of man to hold onto a grudge forever.
But if Carver would only be after Rebecca's baby, why did he capture the whole group then? There must be something else behind all of this. He can't really see a family in the rest of the group, if it's no big deal for him to torture (Carlos) and kill (Alvin) them. I'm sure they have or know something of importance for him. There will be some plot twists for sure!
I suppose its because he sea's them as his people. Im sure we will find out his motives in episode 3 anyway.
Yeah you have a point but how long can someone hold a grudge because their friend refused to help them bash someones head in with a salt lick. Unfortunately Kenny is even more mentally unhinged now than he was before but in the end i think he will do what is best for Clem.
I think Luke means well and is a good person, but he definitely has some vices that we have yet to fully uncover.
As someone else mentioned, he seems like he doesn't like to take "no" for an answer. An example of this we see is Nick's conversation about Luke basically forcing him to go into business together. Another example, when he tells Carlos that he'll take Clem with him on the bridge, if you choose the "I don't think that's a good idea" option (I forget the exact wording), he says something like "Mmm, naw. Naw. You're coming."
Some other side comments can support this as well if you think about it. I know it's silly, but Luke's comment about how he knows how to talk to girls who don't want to talk to him kinda hints at this as well. Rebecca's "Damnit, Luke" implied to me that she was upset that Luke made Alvin go with him. While I don't think Luke would do anything nasty if he doesn't get his way, I think he has definitely tried persuading/guilting people to his favor. I think this will play an important role in finding out how/why their group left Carver's camp.
I also think Luke has a habit of making spur-of-the-moment decisions and being a little indecisive. His and Nick's business venture could be a good example of this as well, although we don't know too much about it. I also saw this during the parts on the bridge. First, when Luke and Clem were going to take down the two walkers before the bridge. If you let the choice timer run and listen to the entire conversation, Luke is pretty much like "Yeah! Let's get 'em! How do we get them? Should we use guns? Wait, maybe this isn't a good idea. (Again, paraphrasing.) A similar string of comments happens when he thinks Clementine should be the one to talk to Matthew on the bridge.
I'm one of those people who thinks that Luke will attempt to help his group escape Carver's camp. But because of his questionable decision making and indecisiveness, I have a feeling his plan won't be very well thought out and he won't be very successful.
So overall, I definitely think Luke has got some character flaws and secrets that have yet to be revealed. I still think he's a great character who has good intentions and I look forward to both his character development and the brother/sister relationship he is building with Clem.
Yet he's talking to everyone when he says they can all go home as a family. It stands to reason his idea of family is obviously pretty twisted (and clearly some are more near and dear to his heart than others). But I agree there's more at play here. Carlos says, "What's done is done" when they're discussing Carver coming after them in the kitchen in ep 1. So there was definitely some action taken on their part that would seemingly anger Carver enough to pursue them.
I agree completely and I think your description on Luke is exactly on point from what we've seen so far.
This is also actually one of the reasons he's one of my favorite characters. Before realizing those "flaws" I thought he seemed too perfect and therefore started to distrust him a bit until the whole bridge conversation when it started to show his stubborness (?) and his whole "can't decide what to do" attitude.
I friggin' love his character though and really hope he'll show up in episode 3!
That was a tough situation--my Clementine also advised against saying anything. The situation was just too precarious. I was kind of thinking, "Let's just get through tonight without pissing off our host." I didn't really know how I planned to break that news to Walter, but it just seemed like playing dumb about it was the smartest move for the moment. I didn't like it, but honestly, I didn't want to get tossed out in the middle of the night with Carver and his goons still looking for me.
Plus, on top of that, I promised Pete I would look out for Nick. And I didn't want him putting himself in a position that might just get him killed by a guy who--yeah, seems nice, but you don't really know for sure.
Thank you!
And I agree, that's what makes him one of my favorites too!
Yeah, I think this is it, basically. Luke is a charismatic guy--he convinced this group to follow him out of Carver's settlement, or whatever--but Luke probably didn't have a great plan for what they were going to do once they got away. Maybe he knew about the cabin, but didn't think it through far enough to have a Plan B in case Carver decided to come after them.
I like Luke--I think he's a good guy, and definitely not a secret villain. If he disappeared, it's probably because he saw Carver's group closing in and realized he could do more good from a position of stealth--possibly, he even suspected that Carver would just kill him (as Luke was the ringleader) if he allowed himself to be taken.
I just imagined Kenny actually saying the full line "Take a hike! But just tell me where you're going first!" and it made me laugh so hard. It just sounded so damn weird. (I'm pretty easy to amuse though)
Well technically I didn't animate that scene, I just bossed around the people who did.
Oh sorry about that. I changed it, but the general idea is still there.
"He's what passes for a friend these days".
"Well, shit. Everyday's a school day."