Did you sympathize the cancer survivors after they ***?
Title says it all. After they left the group, and depending on your gameplay locked the others in the shed, would you have forgiven them when they stole the boat.
I think I would have, it seems like they've had it worse.
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I can't say that I did. When Boyd, in 400 Days, said that Vernon was out for the boat the entire time? After that I just said "Fuck Vernon"... though I eventually did come around with Boyd and Clive. Not so much Joyce, she didn't really do much.
If Greg Miller stole your boat, would you sympathize with him?
I've actually never played 400 days. But after that I'd say my mind is changed,
lol no
"Fuck that"
Cancer or not... dick move Vernon.
Let's see.. Found a boat, risked lives searching for a battery and fuel, have boat stolen leaving us to possibly die!
Forgivness would be a bullet to the head so they don't turn.
No, I thought 'what a bunch of assholes'. In the future, I'll know to never leave Kenny protecting something ever again, even old cancer patients can beat the shit out of him.
What is the meaning of this? Nobody likes Greg Miller!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc5KN5tYDXc
I'm starting to change my mind about me forgiving them. Lets hope vernon doesn't come back this season.
When first happened, I was PISSED. But eventually I settled down and realized that we forced their hand by drawing all those walkers in with the train. Stealing it was a nasty, realpolitik thing to do, but sometimes the only way to win is for someone else to lose.
Maybe Boyd, he's the only one who actually didn't agree with stealing the boat but definitley not with Capital V or C-Live.
Says the wise. Idiot wise.
I actually do hope that he comes back.......so I can throw him to the walkers and make him fight for his life.
Just because someone has cancer doesn't mean they can get away with anything. I personally wouldn't hate a murderer any less if he or she had cancer. Of course, Vernon didn't murder anyone but he practically screwed everyone's chances at survival so that he could survive. It may be survival of the fittest but that doesn't make it right.
Nope, I didn't sympathize with them. Sure, they were desperate to survive, but, to do something like that, to betray a group's trust and to leave Clementine behind? Well, as my Lee said, "Fuck 'em".
True, but what choice did he have. The scene at the hospital made it clear that walkers would have knocked down the doors and overwhelmed them if they stayed. That group wasn't fit to kill a horde of walkers, so the boat was probably their only hope of getting out of Savannah in one piece.
There are other ways of them leaving but they completely fucked the group over doing what they did.
Interesting that this topic was brought up again. Maybe now I can finally get an answer to something that's been bugging me for ages...
Why the hell does anyone HATE Vernon for what he did?
First, consider the facts. Vernon risked his life to help get the boat working. He lost more than Lee's group and got less in return, so I think he had as much claim to the boat as anyone else. Let's not forget that Brie suffered pretty much the most horrific death in the game thanks to Ben's stupidity.
And then there's the herd Lee's group brought directly to his group's safe haven. After all the crap Vernon and his group went through, they finally found somewhere they could live in peace... and then it was destroyed, by the very people who got Brie killed. Seriously, what was he supposed to do? Sit around and wait for death? At least Vernon gave Lee and co. a fighting chance to survive, which was much more than Brie ever got.
And how can we forget this gem?
Lee: "We would have done the same."
Kenny: "Not like this! We wouldn't leave good people to rot!"
Actually Kenny, that was exactly what you were planning to do. The plan was to get Vernon to help us fix the boat... and then leave his entire group to die in a city that you led a gigantic herd of walkers towards. I really don't blame the guy for stealing from us.
And as for Vernon planning to take the boat since the beginning... how exactly does that make him a bad person? "From the beginning" suggests that he was planning to take it before he knew about the oncoming herd, so from his pov at that point, the theft wouldn't have hurt Lee's group in any way.
And this is all completely ignoring the fact that, even after all the shit Lee's group pulled, Vernon still didn't even remotely hate them. He stole the boat in his group's interest, and he even apologizes for the theft . He agrees to help Omid when Lee first meets him even though he wouldn't have gained anything from it. He even agrees to help Omid, a person he's never met, if Lee is a complete asshole to him, and surprisingly not because Lee threatens him. Provided Lee doesn't act like an asshole, he even tells him he's a good leader and person.
Now, can anyone explain why they think Vernon is some kind of irredeemable villain who deserves a bullet to the brain? I can't see anything that says Vernon is anything but a good man, and it seems like most people hate him just because they can't get over the fact that, as nice as he is, he put his own group before Lee's. As any human being would have done.
Of course, the guy's probably already dead, so who cares
The way I see it is I'm not angry that they stole a boat, it's that they stole OUR boat. That's how an apocalypse works I guess, so no I did not sympathize with them. They screwed US over, so they were now our enemies.
But...Lee's group screwed over Vernon's much earlier and much harder, and he didn't think of Lee's group as his enemies. Perhaps Vernon was the better man after all...? :P
Like I said, in an apocalypse it doesn't matter if we did something much worse, they are against us if they mess with us.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. Just meant that Vernon ironically comes off as the better person in this case.
I forgive them all. "The boat was a pipe dream."
I mean, we didn't really "screw them over" as long as we didn't threaten them, as all the walkers and Brie's death wasn't our fault.
Er... I'd say Ben was pretty directly responsible for what happened to her. She had to hold down the door so he and Kenny could have their little soap opera after all.
Yeah I guess, it was kind of our fault. Anyway, Vernon wanted to steal our boat before all that happened according to 400 Days. Of course, I can't use that knowledge as Clementine if I ever meet any of them though, but in my mind he will always be the dirtbag who pretended to be nice while getting ready to rob us of our one true chance of safety.
Well to be fair, like I said in that super-long ass rambling post above, the fact that Vernon was planning to steal the boat from the beginning means he planned to take it before Savannah was a complete death trap with the train herd. So even then, he wasn't looking to hurt Lee's group.
Sorry, I only read part of the first page before I posted. That is true, still kind of dirtbag-ish though, he knew we were going to use that boat. He might not have meant us harm, but he did know that what he was doing was going to hinder our group.
Yeah, but "hinder" is a lot different than "screw over". I'm just really curious where all this disproportionate hatred for Vernon comes from, y'know?
Yeah, it definitely is a lot different. And now that I think about, he never actually got any of us killed except for determinately Ben, so he didn't really do anything completely evil.
I understand them and would probably forgive them but I don't sympathise with them, they can deal with the guilt.
I was pissed as fuck, so no.
He didn't risk his life for to get the boat working. They all temporarily allied to go to Crawford and get what they each respectively needed, Vernon needed medicine, nothing else (and on-site he did nothing but try to get the medicine). Lee's group alone wouldn't have made it, Vernon's group alone wouldn't have made it, simple as that. He stole something for which he did absolutely no effort to get.
The herd of walkers wouldn't have bothered Vernon's group at all, why ? Because the reason walkers even get to that shelter is because there wasn't a single dumbass in the group that thought "hey maybe we should put that plank back to hide the hole ?" Otherwise the walkers would've just went by, like they did for the few months before. The herd is a total non-factor.
Leave his entire group to die in this city ? They had food for months, a doctor, beds, apparently running water and other stuff. They themselves say at first they don't intend on moving when Vernon asks if he should take Clementine, so that's not an issue either.
No offence, but this is stupid. Stealing the ONE THING an entire group traveled so far and worked so hard to get is what I'd call bad, and that's me being gentle.
True, that's the reason I thought he was a good man at first.
In my book Vernon is an ass and if we ever get a chance to see him again he'll suffer, greatly, if I have any say in his fate.
Son of a bitch woulda stole the boat no matter what we did. But I ain't goin' out like that, not without a fight.
While we're talking about it, does anyone wonder how the hell they managed to get the boat to the water without making a shit ton of noise? Not to mention the streets were crawling with walkers, so at least two people would have had to fight and protect the others the whole way. Considering the fact they aren't exactly in their prime, I find the whole thing hard to grasp. We don't really know how far exactly it was from the house to the dock but it must have been a considerable distance.
Don't blame Vernon, blame the stranger instead. If he didn't kidnap clementine lee would have been able to defend against Vernon. Damn that little league coaching sociopath!
I didn't sympathize with them. They had threatened to shoot Lee and I when Vernon ask about taking Clementine off his hands and it was just weird and made him sound like a pedophile. I realized that's not what he was saying when he started saying something else, but I still felt that it was way out of line for a man to tell another man he could take his kid off his hands. I played straight through all the episodes and by that point it seemed extremely out of line for Vernon and Christa to be attacking Lee on that issue. At that point Lee was basically her adopted dad unless they found her parents or he died and I didn't understand why new characters were asking him so many disrespectful questions when they didn't even know him. Lee took care of Clementine as well as any dad would. Vernon ask to take Clem the same day you meet him. Giving a little girl to some man you don't know well at all would have been the signs of a bad parent. I disliked most of the cancer survivors before they even stole the boat I guess lol.
So Vernon had no right the boat because he did nothing to get it working? Did nothing but get medicine? Let's not forget that Brie risked her life along with Kenny to get fuel for a boat she didn't even need. That seems like a considerable amount of effort to me. So by your statement, Brie and by extension her group had every right to take the boat.
The herd of walkers literally flooded the sewers. How would they just go by in a few months? Where would they go? I mean, they're stuck underground, are they gonna evaporate or something? The walkers that made it to the sewers were stuck there for good and, as a result, so was Vernon's group. They would've starved to death trying to wait them out. So yes, Kenny was planning to leave Vernon's group to die.
If said group got one of my close group members horrifically and gruesomely killed in order to get that ONE THING because of pure stupidity, I'd have no qualms about stealing it. Vernon was being gentle for being so understanding towards Lee and not killing them on the spot.
Seems to me that a lot of people on this forum seem incredibly vindictive to perfectly decent (fictional) people for no rational reason. Well, that's the Internet for ya
Cancer no cancer, they knew what they were doing.