"Stupid Girls and Their Preposterous Schemes" my theory half of it was right :)

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  • Okay Magic Mirror should be glamoured to look like Aunty Greenleaf's cooking pot and the Serial Killer loves to crossdress as Snow White, murdering fables makes him hungry so he would eat his victims. Colin fits this profile perfectly based on your logic because why the hell not right? Congratulations Bobit. You unlocked the Confused Gamer award. Press X to see the award. Lol!

    Bobit posted: »

    Because if the Mirror is that pointless. Why have it in the first place? When unlike any other fable it can be easily smashed and broken, ta

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    Yep a pig in sheep's clothing the fat tasty bastard. BaconChops MMMHHHH

    But you misread me entirely my jokes were a diversion on this point.

    Snow White herself being shown in the Mirror when she was cloned by Lilly. Only Lilly was not seen. So if Faith is not a clone, she would have been seen.

    Or further going back to any powerful magic references.

    michael911 posted: »

    Okay Magic Mirror should be glamoured to look like Aunty Greenleaf's cooking pot and the Serial Killer loves to crossdress as Snow White, mu

  • Snow White was shown in the mirror in episode 1. But when you select 'show me Lily' in episode 2 "Once again these lips are sealed" even though the game says that Lily's body is in the morgue. No ribbon was spotted when you examine her body. So what I think is that the Pudding n Pie girls are bound by a spell that prevents the mirror from letting you see where they are. For every other character not affected by this spell we could see from the mirror.

    Bobit posted: »

    Yep a pig in sheep's clothing the fat tasty bastard. BaconChops MMMHHHH But you misread me entirely my jokes were a diversion on this poi

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    The spell of secret prevents them from being seen after death, come on now that is stretching it? Faith's body didn't have the ribbon. Her decapitated head had the ring attached to the ribbon inside of her mouth.

    Lilly had the glamor tube on her body, so this really was why she wasn't seen because after it was opened she changed from Snow White to Lilly. Her neck was severed why there was no ribbon. Either the killer had removed it, or because she was a troll having a gigantic neck making it uncomfortable. Lilly never wore a ribbon being too large and would it have cost extra wages, not on the company payroll. :)

    The Mirror defraud comes from seeing one Snow White, when there are two. Which why Lilly could not be seen. Lilly was already dead missing because Grant was going to complain at the Woodlands office in their prior argument before entry in episode 1.

    michael911 posted: »

    Snow White was shown in the mirror in episode 1. But when you select 'show me Lily' in episode 2 "Once again these lips are sealed" even tho

  • These lips are sealed :)

    Bobit posted: »

    The spell of secret prevents them from being seen after death, come on now that is stretching it? Faith's body didn't have the ribbon. Her d

  • Kinky on a call girl, but what service exactly are you charging for?..... Do'h........ Micheal, No Run Away hahahaha

    michael911 posted: »

    These lips are sealed

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    You have no idea how hard it was to follow your train of thought here, mate. I'm literally exhausted.

    Now, I'll try keep it simple... you do make some fine points here, surely, but you base too much on a very few unproven facts.
    If the glamour prevents mirror to see a person then yeah, there are those questions about Faith, like why would she be glamoured? But we can't know the answer, she may actually have money, she may work for Crooked Man under a glamour without her husband knowing about it and actually still be alive. Though it's a stretch, that's one of the explanations I guess. If I stretch some other things I could come up with dozen of other explanations, which brings me to my point - most things we know so far, we don't know for sure, so we shouldn't take unproven things as proven and jump to conclusions. We are forcing explanations based on few facts that may or may not be of major significance.

    As I said earlier, there quite possibly can be another magical weapon which hasn't appeared in the game yet (there are two episodes more bound to come out) and I doubt that a "powerful magic" which was mentioned by Greenleaf and Mirror has anything to do with glamours, I mean Greenleaf makes glamours for living, it is not that powerful of magic, in the world of fables it is rather mundane actually. Have you read the comics, you'd see that there is really unimaginably powerful magic in that universe. My guess would be that Faith is either still alive or her body is contained in a room/location which is basked in magic that is indeed powerful.

    And I don't think that mirror is pointless, just because it can't outmatch every single magical boundary there might be. It did help us prevent prince Lawrences death, didn't it?
    Bobit posted: »

    Because if the Mirror is that pointless. Why have it in the first place? When unlike any other fable it can be easily smashed and broken, ta

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    Nope. Already in the comics and she actually can't keep her hair short for long amount of time, as it keeps growing with uncanny speed. She has to visit barber three times every day and can't stay longer than half an hour in any place where there are mundies, otherwise they'd see her hair getting longer. Fuck her life I say.

    Could Vivian be Rapunzel? She has blonde hair and green eyes. She also gets her hair cut by Dame Gothel in some stories.

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    Honestly I couldn't care less. Whether or not, you can or cannot read. My train of thought has never given a single motive nominating who the killer might be. So you interpreting that is entirely at your own peril. Wow thank you for the hostility prompting me to give you a thumbs down.

    Now I have absolutely no idea who you are talking about? What money? From whoring when being a drug user, fighting to pay the bills for a useless ex husband. All so they get somebody like Crane wanting them to glam as somebody else for his wrinkly ballsack, perhaps being slapped about by Woody, degraded by George.

    We know for a Fact the Mirror was prevented from seeing both Faith's and Lilly's bodies from powerful magic. Lilly there is an obvious explanation for. She was Snow White but the Mirror clearly showed Snow White. The Mirror didn't show Lilly because she was still glamored. Where does this leave Faith? That is the million dollar question. Next time I will advise a coherent answer from yourself.

    Yes the Mirror specifically prevented Prince Lawrence's death. I suggest you replay and figure out how to save him.

    You have no idea how hard it was to follow your train of thought here, mate. I'm literally exhausted. Now, I'll try keep it simple...

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    If you want to be understood then you should care and I wasn't being hostile at all mate, you obviously misinterpreted me, but nevermind that. Let's talk theories we've been throwing:

    You mentioned Faith not having money for glamours, that is what I was talking about, it's not that important though, I just made an example of her possible income. Throwing a theory, nothing more.

    I was as coherent as much as you're blatantly hostile right now. I actually sort of agree with you that we probably didn't saw Lily due to the glamour, but disagree with idea that "powerful magic" having to do with its inability to see Faiths body is of glamours origin.

    I don't quite understand that last bit about prince Lawrence, I did save him, thanks to the mirror.

    By the way, I don't give a damn about your thumbs down, feel free to thumb this down too, I just don't grasp the reason of your attitude.
    Bobit posted: »

    Honestly I couldn't care less. Whether or not, you can or cannot read. My train of thought has never given a single motive nominating who th

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    Don't make me laugh. You insulted me in your first remark, falling again in this reply to make much of any coherent logical sense in your present justification. Identify the specific's otherwise going round and round in circles. I said so you interpreted, saying, but you thought.

    Get over yourself. Silence is an option

    If you want to be understood then you should care and I wasn't being hostile at all mate, you obviously misinterpreted me, but nevermind tha

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    Insulted you? Well aren't you a crybaby, it was a small noted criticism at its worst. If you're so easily insulted then reconsider communicating with people, as they tend to occasionally remark something that you don't necessarily like.

    I don't know what you find so incoherent, you'll notice that I used rather short sentences and simple words and didn't one bit strayed from what I've been saying the whole time, my post was as clear as it could possibly be.

    I agree, silence is an option and the one I intend to use. I'm not going to indulge myself in bickering with you, everything worth saying has already been said. I just wish you a nice day and at last will recommend you to try being less negative, it'll do you a world of good.
    Bobit posted: »

    Don't make me laugh. You insulted me in your first remark, falling again in this reply to make much of any coherent logical sense in your pr

  • Lol well thanks for the confirmation it's not her.

    Nope. Already in the comics and she actually can't keep her hair short for long amount of time, as it keeps growing with uncanny speed. She

  • You're welcome. It was a good thought, though.

    Lol well thanks for the confirmation it's not her.

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    Further insults proving fact. Thank you for your clarity. Through also showing more incoherent patterns when forming further misassumption through basic flaw from your preconceived opinion

    There is simple relevant communication and common courtesy, something which I strongly recommend you try to function using.

    Insulted you? Well aren't you a crybaby, it was a small noted criticism at its worst. If you're so easily insulted then reconsider communica

  • Except the Parlor Room Scene in the comics was the first time it happens. I think the game will end with the main people involved die at Bigby's claws.

    I loved the Toad scene too! That's exactly what I'm talking about, it was a great scene, and I wish there were more like that. Hope there wi

  • Yeah, you're right, I forgot about that. Bigby actually had a lengthy description of how tedious and uninteresting it is to be a sherif. Thanks for reminding me.
    LukaszB posted: »

    Except the Parlor Room Scene in the comics was the first time it happens. I think the game will end with the main people involved die at Bigby's claws.

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    Whatever. If I wanted to insult you, trust me, it would be much worse than pointing out the fact that your post was hard to follow. And that was actually being nice. To tell you the truth, your post was incoherent chaotic mess. And no, even this is not an insult, it's a fact, I just stopped being nice like I was in previous posts.

    But, of course, I didn't want to attack you because of that, since I presumed that english is not your native language (as it's not mine), I just settled on saying: "You have no idea how hard it was to follow your train of thought here, mate. I'm literally exhausted." And you found yourself insulted!?

    I don't know how old are you, but you should grow up a bit.
    Bobit posted: »

    Further insults proving fact. Thank you for your clarity. Through also showing more incoherent patterns when forming further misassumption

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    You couldn't follow my post, I understand that, okay. You never asked me specifically what you didn't understand about my post? You insulted me from your first sentences specifically the get go of your comment, commented on which prompted me to thumbs down. From there it has been circles of more incoherent mindlessness. But that must be because I am here to appease your lack of English? You have been babbling on, lying about Prince Lawrence, the Mirror. Talking absolute unspecified nonsense about money, to the point that I really don't think you even have the smallest idea of what you are talking about?

    Any supposed unspecified money there is a far simpler convenient explanation. Faith was too proud to take Bigby's money. When she was being slapped about by Woody, wanting her agreed fee of service at the beginning opening of this game. She didn't want his charity or him feeling sorry for her, because she liked Bigby or she was possibly deceiving him. Shown from her kiss, her comments, her hand rubbing his arm, her flattery of him. Not because she was a millionaire or prostitute of the month, when needing to get her fees to support her useless Ex husband. She was gonna get out of the business, possibly through blackmailing the photo that the Dumb's were looking for, as an assumption. Or just another comment coming from a dreamer, who wants to impress, when looked upon for an explanation of why they were in that state.

    My turn for you now: A "great cuckoo" will always have it's head up it's own ass.

    Whatever. If I wanted to insult you, trust me, it would be much worse than pointing out the fact that your post was hard to follow. And that

  • Tweedles not Dumb's. The blackmailing through photo of Crane makes a lot more sense than a lot of your earlier posts.
    Bobit posted: »

    You couldn't follow my post, I understand that, okay. You never asked me specifically what you didn't understand about my post? You insulted

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    They are dumb or a pair of dumb's, so what does that make your post a tweetdle?

    Blackmailing is a possible motive to murder or get murdered, although doesn't prove anything at this point, there is not enough information on this topic currently. Sure I agree many of my earlier posts regarding powerful magic were for fun engagement when diverting a game flaw or masking assumption of her still possibly being alive. When the mirror hasn't shown identifying Faith's body. Using some absurdly joking remarks, on a serial killer wearing ass skin underneath a glamor, or being stewed in a cook pot etc.

    But before blathering as you have just done, specify where. Then identify why you have even posted the above comment to what end? He had made no sense as to what money, specifically lied, babbled about nothing of any note other then to attack, these were the source of my comments.
    LukaszB posted: »

    Tweedles not Dumb's. The blackmailing through photo of Crane makes a lot more sense than a lot of your earlier posts.

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    Okay, let's give it one last try on keeping this civilized, if it's not too late already.

    I didn't specify what I didn't understand about your post for two reasons: I presumed that it's obvious given the length of it and construction of some of your sentences (I honestly didn't know when some of them ended and when another began, of course you will probably take this as an insult, as you tend to do) and it has nothing to do with my "lack of English", I perfectly understand everybody else, have been communicating in English on internet and forums for a decade, and I work as freelancer in a company where we use English as only language, so you're not going to convince me that my lack of English was responsible for this misunderstanding. And second reason for not specifying was that your post was so long that I didn't know where to begin, it would result in mine post being at least three times longer than yours and who the hell would want to read that?
    Some things I did understand (or at least thought I did), so I responded to those sentences.

    As for money, I was replying to this: "Why would Faith glam herself when she cannot even make her fees, hardly prostitute of the month?"
    I presumed that you meant that she didn't have money for glamour, and threw a theory about her possible income that has nothing to do with prostituting. If it's not what you meant and I misunderstood you, then I apologize, but your post was a mile long and really hard to follow, sorry if that insults you, but that is how it is.

    About the Mirror, I have no doubts that I understood you. You said this: "Because if the Mirror is that pointless. Why have it in the first place? When unlike any other fable it can be easily smashed and broken, taking up to years to repair?" to which I replied: "I don't think that mirror is pointless, just because it can't outmatch every single magical boundary there might be. It did help us prevent prince Lawrences death, didn't it?"
    And then you somehow don't understand what I'm replying to. What is there not to understand? Why do you call this babbling? Please, explain it to me, I really don't get you and it's becoming frustrating that we obviously can't understand each other at all, like we're speaking two different languages.

    And I see that I'm not the only one who has trouble understanding your posts, I don't want to drag anyone else in our argument here, but just for example, you were also hard to follow in this thread: ‘What was Faith looking for at Woody's? Who Killed her? Who Killed Lily? UPDATED ’
    www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/67471/what-was-faith-looking-for-at-woody-s-who-killed-her-who-killed-lily-update/new

    By the way, I like this idea of yours, about Faith being too proud. Now, if I ask you to try to use a less digressive sentences, can we keep this civil and try to continue with the theories?
    Bobit posted: »

    You couldn't follow my post, I understand that, okay. You never asked me specifically what you didn't understand about my post? You insulted

  • whoever did this
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    It is far too late for that. Even now you are not at all being civil

    In this post you have failed to identify any actual specific's. Specifically when stating of what, when, and where you are actually referring to, when producing more blunt comments about my lack of sentences. Placing further blame outside of yourself. My writing is perfectly legible outside of some grammatization, specifically certain punctuation that I fail in. Am I to assume you cannot read without a simple comma, or full stop? Stating your hate because of this.

    What income, more incoherent remarks, Faith didn't have any money this was shown in the game. What theory, just pointless fillers remarks that are meaningless. How could have Faith Glamored herself? Putting up the expensive fee's for Glamors when producing the ingredients for them? In her fable reference Faith is a pauper and she has to turn to whoring in the game to make ends go by. The apology letter was probably for her prostitution. Outside of the facts that it was Crane who was footing those Glamor bills for his own massage fantasies, shown by him having extensive debts to the Crooked Man. This is where Blackmail comes into play if in fact Faith is still alive, but you didn't say that did you?

    The Mirror is pointless, it had only helped in showing that Lawrence needed rescuing. Anyone else was quite irrelevant, now it is broken. Whoopie for a Mirror who can save a character that even if Lawrence dies will have accomplished absolutely nothing..But your really bad sentence here, It did help us prevent prince Lawrences death, didn't it? What did? Yes it must be absolutely unnerving, when commenting on somebody using bad grammar.

    The Mirror did prove Lilly and Faith could not be seen, when one is dead and the other is assume to be dead. Although the real Snow White could be seen. But you didn't say this at all.

    Again you fail to make specific's in more of your blunt comments about another thread. Most of the above post is just yadda yadda. Take a page out of your own book. I cannot read a single word of what you are trying to say in your above comments. What are you actually trying to say? You have mostly failed to really specify. This is precisely what babble is defined as, or the definition of incoherence.

    Okay, let's give it one last try on keeping this civilized, if it's not too late already. I didn't specify what I didn't understand ab

  • The same glamour that makes them say "these lips are sealed" can be the same glamour that even in death they can't be located.
    Bobit posted: »

    Because if the Mirror is that pointless. Why have it in the first place? When unlike any other fable it can be easily smashed and broken, ta

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    Suit yourself, I gave you last chance. Then I won't restrain myself from saying what needs to be said in this last post to you.

    No, the problem is not in lack of commas, rather in your babbling tone, breaking the point you're trying to make with some half-jokes, moments of digression in the middle of the sentence, and the strained use of completely inapplicable words. I swear to heavens, at one point I was actually convinced that you've been using google translate.

    It is disrespectful to people on this forum to force them to read 30 lines of such a tedious, strained and inconsistent mess, just because you don't care (as you've stated yourself) to follow the thought through and write understandable sentences.

    No, I haven't said anything about blackmail and no I also haven't said anything about the real Snow White, and I also didn't claim that I have said anything about that, why should I? I was replying only to those parts of your bullshitting chaos of a post I could understand without the professional help of linguistic cryptographers and those replies were as clear as ice.

    And about this: "But your really bad sentence here, It did help us prevent prince Lawrences death, didn't it? What did?" What "what did?" the goddamn mirror! Is your mind incapable of following through one simple thought? I doubt it, you don't strike me as being that stupid. I'm not falling on that farce you're trying to pull by projecting your terrible writing onto myself.

    I've wasted enough energy trying to communicate with you, in every of your previous posts there were entire paragraphs which, however hard I tried, I simply couldn't understand. Once again you've made a post of 20+ lines, but at least this one is not so terrible, most of it I can follow through. And for the last goddamn time, I wasn't being hostile nor hateful in my first reply and neither in my second, though in third you have started to annoy me with your attitude that somehow I did you wrong and managed to hurt your feelings.

    Though I was willing to get over the fact that you disrespected me that much to not bother to write a post which wouldn't give me a stroke by reading it, I don't like people who are oh so easily offended and act like a spoiled children, so I can't and won't ignore that, any further conversation with you would be pointless and a waste of time. I already dedicated way too much time than I usually do on bickering with children on forums (and I really do apologize if you're not a child, I just presumed that due to the immature tone of your comments and failure to grasp logic in some of your previous posts), so this will be my last reply to you. We're done here.
    Bobit posted: »

    It is far too late for that. Even now you are not at all being civil In this post you have failed to identify any actual specific's. Sp

  • Lily was killed one day after Faith, "Faith, thanks for covering for me tonight, let's talk before you go over to the apartment. Lily." And during Woody's interrogation he specifically said that he was expecting Lily, not Faith. Crane wasn't to be questioned but taken to the Woodlands basement awaiting trial for embezzlement of Fabletown funds.

    Jack wasn't sent for the photo, but saw an opportunity to get rich quick like he always does.

    Vivian is as much of a suspect as Crooked Man. Vivian is not a prostitute like Faith Lily and Nerissa, but a hostess. Vivian doesn't want to lose her job, but both Faith and Lily would be happy. She could also be in love with Georgie.
    Bobit posted: »

    Faith had taken the photo of Crane. Faith was either killed at Lawrence flat, or the killer had gone back there after delivering Faith's hea

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    I completely agree with everything you say here, but am not sure about this - are we sure that Lily was killed after Faith and not before? If you remember she was already missing for some time, which is probably why Gren was in the corridor waiting to see Crane in episode 1. As far as I remember, the timeline of murders haven't been quite figured out yet, or have I missed something?
    LukaszB posted: »

    Lily was killed one day after Faith, "Faith, thanks for covering for me tonight, let's talk before you go over to the apartment. Lily." And

  • Lily and Holly were estranged and the only person with information about Lily was Woody. Hence we have a very likely time frame of how long Lily had the Snow glamour. Also Nerissa ain't using a glamour, hence Crane saw Lily after Faith was killed.

    I completely agree with everything you say here, but am not sure about this - are we sure that Lily was killed after Faith and not before? I

  • It fits perfectly and is most probably like that, I can't dispute that, neither I want to. Still I'd like it if we'll be able to work out exact time frame in the next episode.
    LukaszB posted: »

    Lily and Holly were estranged and the only person with information about Lily was Woody. Hence we have a very likely time frame of how long Lily had the Snow glamour. Also Nerissa ain't using a glamour, hence Crane saw Lily after Faith was killed.

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    Sorry for double posting replies here, but I find one thing strange. If Lily and Holly were estranged as we were led to believe, then how come that Holly knows that her sister is missing on such a quick notion? They either weren't that much estranged as we believed them to be or Lily was missing for quite some time, which brings bunch of other questions like "where the hell has she been? Did she ran from someone or was already dead at that point?"

    I also first presumed that note "thanks for covering me for tonight" referenced Faith going to Woody, but Lily would already be missing at that point of time, she couldn't have written that. Perhaps it wasn't her who wrote the note, or it was a much older note referring to something else entirely.
    LukaszB posted: »

    Lily and Holly were estranged and the only person with information about Lily was Woody. Hence we have a very likely time frame of how long Lily had the Snow glamour. Also Nerissa ain't using a glamour, hence Crane saw Lily after Faith was killed.

  • Woody is both a regular at the bar, and was Lily's regular. Holly would want to know if her sister is ok and Woody would probably say that he walks by Lily's workplace. So if someone doesn't see someone they always see and care about, they would inform the person's relatives. Hence the question of how long did she have the Snow glamour before being found dead.

    Sorry for double posting replies here, but I find one thing strange. If Lily and Holly were estranged as we were led to believe, then how co

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    I agree on that. Exactly with my thoughts. This then forces the player character to chase after other leads while waiting for someone to find the dead girl's body. It could later tie back to the Pudding and Pie. We need more clues or witnesses in the next episode. As of now we got too little intel.
    pcharl01 posted: »

    The same glamour that makes them say "these lips are sealed" can be the same glamour that even in death they can't be located.

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    You have emphatically denied any wrong doing. You are an arrogant self loathing pompous prat with your head up your own ass, speaking nothing but shit. Going round and round with only one possible point to prove to yourself, how you are undeniably wrong. You insult an Englishman for bad grammar, trying to give English lessons, but you are in fact Spanish, when making the same mistakes as complained about. You haven't got any sense of humor, or wit, and fail too grasp at even basic logic. Always incoherently, not specifying even a single valid point. This is because Cuckoo your only aim here is to ceaseless dull out mindless trolls.

    The only digression here is of your own making. You haven't specified with any validity most points, these that you are trying so hard to prove, the extent of every single topic which you have posted in. Then you accuse others who have tried to point you in the right direction for your using so many illogical errors.

    If that was your great big slanderous speech, then I strongly recommend using toilet paper next time it would make a for a much cleaner environment, preventing specifically you speaking shit. Instead of leaving us with a great, huge, big stink when polluting our atmospheres. Maybe that was your goal though to not dispose of any waste, leaving it in the sewer? This is your own dilemma, specifically the unfortunate side effect of having your head up your own ass, when getting so lost in your own excrement. Greatly stinking up this place, but of no real consequence, other then as offered pity, for your rapidly deteriorating unfunctional disease.

    Anybody who names them self as "Great" doesn't know the meaning of the word, this title is only ever attributed by others. I honestly pity you. You will never learn what it means to be human.

    There would be absolutely, No point! In trying to decipher the same babble that you are constantly repeating, saying again and again, over and over, to absolutely no gain. But never listening to a single reply or even shutting up. I gave you so many outs. Now! I have given you all of my expressed PITY. I Will State Clearly that I will never give you anything else, EVER, you just wouldn't be worth it.

    Okay, let's give it one last try on keeping this civilized, if it's not too late already. I didn't specify what I didn't understand ab

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    Well guys, this is how I see it. There are two possibilities:

    1) Lily had been indeed missing for some time (presumably also being dead) and then the note to Faith must have been written before. In this case it probably referred to Faith covering for her with Crane (and probably stealing the compromising photo from him back then). It seems unlikely that the note was written later by someone else, since if anyone was supposed to know about Lily's gone missing it would be the other girls from Pudding n' Pie and it's also reasonable to assume that Faith knew Lily's handwriting, so she wouldn't be fooled with this trick. Now, this theory seems to be contradicted by several things. First of all, it is strongly implied (though not certain) that Lily was murdered one night after Faith. Moreover, The Woodsman was expecting Lily on the night before, though obviously their meeting could have been scheduled in advance. Also Lily's notebook does not seem to fit. The entries in it stop on the day of the supposed murder if I remember correctly, but she couldn't have written all of that if she was already missing (again, unless it was written well in advance). Which brings us to the 2nd possibility;

    2) Lily was not missing, but instead she was frequently glamored as Snow White. Possibly for some reason she was also avoiding any contact with Holly and Gren. Naturally, they assumed that she'd gone missing. The Woodsman either did not even know about it or did not want to confess that he was a client of her. In this case, the note for Faith was probably written by Lily on the night of the first murder and referred to Faith's visit at the Woodsman's place. Also, right before you enter the Woodsman's apartment you notice a phone booth with a receiver hanging loose (sorry if it's not the correct terminology, but I'm not a native speaker of English). Maybe Faith read the note but was not able to talk to Lily at the club, so she wanted to call her from the Woody's building? Anyways, it would seem that Lily was indeed killed the following night while being glamored as Snow White. But the meeting with Crane was rescheduled and this implies that Vivian had something to do with Lily's death.

    Sorry for the long post and cheers!
    LukaszB posted: »

    Woody is both a regular at the bar, and was Lily's regular. Holly would want to know if her sister is ok and Woody would probably say that h

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    1. I'm not Spanish. If you're indeed an Englishman, then it's very tragic, to the point it actually hurts my soul. As a member of a nation cradled by such great literates such as Samuel Taylor Coleridge, William Blake, William Shakespeare and many more, you are verbally pissing on your own heritage.

    2. My username was made jokingly as combination of Cthulhu from H. P. Lovecrafts short stories and Alexander the Great, if you weren't such an idiot you'd recognize it as a farce which it is.

    3. You shouldn't bother posting to me, since I won't reply to any of your posts anymore. Feel free to do so if you want, but it is only fair to notify you that you'd be wasting your time.
    Bobit posted: »

    You have emphatically denied any wrong doing. You are an arrogant self loathing pompous prat with your head up your own ass, speaking nothin

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    Yeah, it's quite probable that it was Woody who notified Holly, though he wouldn't tell her the real reason of seeing her regularly, but I still find it strange that they would act so fast. Woody was aware that Holly won't come when Faith showed up instead, late at night, sometime before Faith got killed, and yet the next day (if we assume that is the reason why Gren was in the corridor, it is actually early next morning) they already went to Woodlands to report that Lily was missing.

    At that point Lily would only be "missing" for one night. It seems like an overreaction to report a person being missing if you couldn't reach her for one night only. See my point?

    I guess she couldn't been glamoured for long, before it wears out, but I admit that I have little to nothing to base this guess on.
    LukaszB posted: »

    Woody is both a regular at the bar, and was Lily's regular. Holly would want to know if her sister is ok and Woody would probably say that h

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    You pretty much covered it all with this 2nd possibility. I'm actually convinced that this is how it happened. Beauty did mention that she saw someone who looked like Snow in the corridor so it's possible that she wasn't wearing glamour inside the Cranes room only. By the way, I completely forgot about the phone hanging loose, it might be of relevance. Good job on noticing this!

    Well guys, this is how I see it. There are two possibilities: 1) Lily had been indeed missing for some time (presumably also being dead

  • This might be me just... thinking things over. But the way that Faith said "I'll see you around, Wolf" is exactly the same way Bloody Mary does it in episode 3. She says "See you around," but it's in the same tone and all. And they both do the same thing with the hand and they're both having their backs to him... maybe it's nothing but it caught my eye at least.
  • edited May 2014
    I noticed that too, and actually made a post about that somewhere on this forum. It is indeed rather strange, at first I thought that Faith isn't dead and that she is actually the same person as Bloody Mary, but more I think about it I doubt it. Same gesture and similar sentence aside, they are very different in demeanor, it's hard to believe that it could be one person, at least for me.
    Annatilde posted: »

    This might be me just... thinking things over. But the way that Faith said "I'll see you around, Wolf" is exactly the same way Bloody Mary d

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