Guys, I just want to point out that it's a little bit off-color to say "No, I think she's 'normal'." It's fine if you don't agree Sarah has a disability, nothing is canon so it's all speculation, but it's offensive to say she's "normal" because it implies that people with disabilities are "abnormal."
Yeah... "cognitively disabled" and "neuroatypical" is a little too psychological for me. I can get an idea 'cause I know what "cognitive", "disabled", "neuronal" and "atypical" means, but it's not like I've ever heard those words before.
What I tried to say is I'm almost 100% positive that Sarah's IQ is at least average. Also, I understand Asperger's as someone within the "autism spectrum" but not quite autistic. I think it can also be very varied with regards to the patient's personality. I only met one guy in my life who had Asperger's and he just struck me as someone very,very shy (he never made eye-contact and needed help to strike a casual conversation). I don't think Sarah is anything like him, or that there's anything unusual about her personality. Like I said, she seems shy and lonely to me, but nowhere near my understanding of Asperger's.
Actually, we are a bit abnormal. A disability changes a person's perception of the world and the world's perception of that person (that's not always bad). I wager some people would disagree, but I feel like acting as though having a disability doesn't factor into day-to-day life is a rather naive attempt at political correctness..
I guess that's why I never like terms like "handicapped" and "differently abled". They make unfounded assertions about quality of life.
Guys, I just want to point out that it's a little bit off-color to say "No, I think she's 'normal'." It's fine if you don't agree Sarah has … morea disability, nothing is canon so it's all speculation, but it's offensive to say she's "normal" because it implies that people with disabilities are "abnormal."
I mean obviously it does make life different from how it would be without a disability, but "abnormal" has some negative connotations and kind of creates a sense of "otherness" which subconsciously makes it difficult for some people to empathize.
Actually, we are a bit abnormal. A disability changes a person's perception of the world and the world's perception of that person (that's … morenot always bad). I wager some people would disagree, but I feel like acting as though having a disability doesn't factor into day-to-day life is a rather naive attempt at political correctness..
I guess that's why I never like terms like "handicapped" and "differently abled". They make unfounded assertions about quality of life.
Based on how Carlos described her and the way she seemed to be having panic attacks when Carver showed up, it's possible that she's dealing with some form of disorder.
Just so you know, IQ measurement is kind of bullshit. It really means nothing besides the fact that you did well on an IQ test, it's like the SATS, it's a useless measurement. Not even speaking bitterly, this is coming from someone who has a very high IQ and did well on their SATs. But nevertheless I'm pretty sure Asperger's isn't related to IQ.
I mean... not everyone with Asperger's has the same personality. I know people with Asperger's who are very outgoing and friendly. What Asperger's tends to be is a difficulty gauging social cues, and that can be expressed in a number of ways.
Yeah... "cognitively disabled" and "neuroatypical" is a little too psychological for me. I can get an idea 'cause I know what "cognitive", "… moredisabled", "neuronal" and "atypical" means, but it's not like I've ever heard those words before.
What I tried to say is I'm almost 100% positive that Sarah's IQ is at least average. Also, I understand Asperger's as someone within the "autism spectrum" but not quite autistic. I think it can also be very varied with regards to the patient's personality. I only met one guy in my life who had Asperger's and he just struck me as someone very,very shy (he never made eye-contact and needed help to strike a casual conversation). I don't think Sarah is anything like him, or that there's anything unusual about her personality. Like I said, she seems shy and lonely to me, but nowhere near my understanding of Asperger's.
2 years, at my middle school there were a lot of people who are shorter than me but the same age, she's like one of those kids who hasn't lost their innocence yet(I had one girl) so probably the apocalypse started then and she's been sheltered for 2 years, then she saw Clem who seemed mature (sometimes I forget Clem is 11) and just assumed she was the same age
You know this whole zombie thing has only been going on for a couple years. Presumably, she wasn't locked inside away from the world before … morethat unless Carlos is actually some completely overprotective psycho even before the dead started walking. Never been exposed to other children? Highly unlikely.
Okay, to kill time, I'm rewatching different playthroughs of Episode 2. Two things I noticed:
1. When Carlos and Rebecca leave to find Luke and Alvin, Carlos asks Clem to look after Sarah. He said something like 'just distract her. She gets... NERVOUS'.. if you take too long to reply.
2. If you reply back to Carlos 'You told me to distract her' after the picture fiasco, Sarah says 'Distract?' to her dad.
I'm no psychologist, but to me this points to anxiety more than anything, and anxiety DUE to Carlos' sheltering.
She has severe anxiety at best. Sarah has a decent grasp on the fact that there are zombies outside and that she needs to learn to protect herself. This is evident by her snooping outside, finding the gun, and asking to be taught how to use it. Carlos is just sheltering her so it could remind us of how Clem would have been if Lee had not listened to Chuck.
I don't she has any mental problems. She is just extremely sheltered and being treated as if everything is normal, that is a very dangerous thing Carlos did by doing that. Also I think she is bit of idiot for not using her common sense and pointing a gun at Clem but then that leads back to how they are treating the situation.
Eh, I don't think she is, although I could be wrong. I'm on the spectrum, but on the high end (No, I don't have Aspergers, I suppose I'm just Autistic) but people who live with Autism are portrayed differently in the media than they are in real life. When I was younger (5-10 years old) I struggled with socialising, had panic attacks just walking down the street from getting overly self-conscious etc, sometimes I still do, rarely though. Over time, I learnt how to socialise, get on with daily life and be a part of society, because like it or not society doesn't slow down for you. I was even told by a specialist I used to see when I was young that "Ultimately you're still on the spectrum, but you've grown out of the Autistic behaviours other people deal with" and although I hate to say it, I'm just another ordinary human being like everyone else out in the world.
Sarah isn't dealing with any issues like Autism, when the apocalypse began she would have been 12-13 years old, and presumably since the beginning she has been sheltered by her father, not giving her the chance to grow up. Imagine being 12-13 and seeing the man your supposed to be running from and your entire group is afraid of, and you're on your own with a new 11 year old girl. I know for a fact I'd be terrified. Now when she was in the ski lodge being held hostage and her Dad being beaten and fingers snapped in front of her I completely understand how she would be scared for him, especially since Carver is the one doing it. And when Walt was shot, she freaked out. She just saw a man she ate dinner with have his brains blown out, she's sheltered and not used to this sort of thing. In conclusion, I don't consider Sarah a representation of an Autistic girl living in the apocalypse. I see it as a representation of an extremely sheltered 15 year old girl who hasn't been given the time/space to grow up, trying to survive the apocalypse when she has no idea how.
shes not retarded. when you meet her in her room pretty sure shes reading a pretty decently big book? she's just really really sheltered due to carlos overprotectiveness. she acts like any 15 year old would act
Yeah. It's also good that she's aware that she needs to know how to defend herself against an enemy sooner or later, if she has no one to help her. I hope Carlos will learn that she needs to know how to defend herself. Even if she does have anxiety. It wont be easy, but it's better than dying.
She has severe anxiety at best. Sarah has a decent grasp on the fact that there are zombies outside and that she needs to learn to protect h… moreerself. This is evident by her snooping outside, finding the gun, and asking to be taught how to use it. Carlos is just sheltering her so it could remind us of how Clem would have been if Lee had not listened to Chuck.
Fair enough. Thanks for your insight. Personally I'm torn on the subject and don't want to make any full assumptions until the story is complete. I just wanted to point out that there are a lot of fans on the spectrum I've talked to who feel this way and it's important to respect that. Most of them are on Tumblr, not here, though, which is why it seems like I'm the only one talking about this.
Eh, I don't think she is, although I could be wrong. I'm on the spectrum, but on the high end (No, I don't have Aspergers, I suppose I'm jus… moret Autistic) but people who live with Autism are portrayed differently in the media than they are in real life. When I was younger (5-10 years old) I struggled with socialising, had panic attacks just walking down the street from getting overly self-conscious etc, sometimes I still do, rarely though. Over time, I learnt how to socialise, get on with daily life and be a part of society, because like it or not society doesn't slow down for you. I was even told by a specialist I used to see when I was young that "Ultimately you're still on the spectrum, but you've grown out of the Autistic behaviours other people deal with" and although I hate to say it, I'm just another ordinary human being like everyone else out in the world.
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She has severe anxiety at best. Sarah has a decent grasp on the fact that there are zombies outside and that she needs to learn to protect h… moreerself. This is evident by her snooping outside, finding the gun, and asking to be taught how to use it. Carlos is just sheltering her so it could remind us of how Clem would have been if Lee had not listened to Chuck.
Okay, to kill time, I'm rewatching different playthroughs of Episode 2. Two things I noticed:
1. When Carlos and Rebecca leave to find Lu… moreke and Alvin, Carlos asks Clem to look after Sarah. He said something like 'just distract her. She gets... NERVOUS'.. if you take too long to reply.
2. If you reply back to Carlos 'You told me to distract her' after the picture fiasco, Sarah says 'Distract?' to her dad.
I'm no psychologist, but to me this points to anxiety more than anything, and anxiety DUE to Carlos' sheltering.
Ok but she still has been outside and knows what's up. When she wants to do target practice she suggests the tree outside and starts to head there. This is stopped because she sees Carver
Ok but she still has been outside and knows what's up. When she wants to do target practice she suggests the tree outside and starts to head there. This is stopped because she sees Carver
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if she had anxiety issues. That may be why Carlos thinks she would "cease to function" if she saw how bad things were. Unfortunately that causes him to shelter her, which makes the anxiety/immaturity worse. It's a vicious cycle.
Yes because speculating about a fictional character = real life. I said she might have socialization disease like Asbergers. I am sorry if i confused you by what i was trying to say.
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Anyways we'll see in this Episode. Big Change is coming.
What I tried to say is I'm almost 100% positive that Sarah's IQ is at least average. Also, I understand Asperger's as someone within the "autism spectrum" but not quite autistic. I think it can also be very varied with regards to the patient's personality. I only met one guy in my life who had Asperger's and he just struck me as someone very,very shy (he never made eye-contact and needed help to strike a casual conversation). I don't think Sarah is anything like him, or that there's anything unusual about her personality. Like I said, she seems shy and lonely to me, but nowhere near my understanding of Asperger's.
Sarah is just a lovely, sweet little girl.
I guess that's why I never like terms like "handicapped" and "differently abled". They make unfounded assertions about quality of life.
But it's ambiguous either way.
I mean... not everyone with Asperger's has the same personality. I know people with Asperger's who are very outgoing and friendly. What Asperger's tends to be is a difficulty gauging social cues, and that can be expressed in a number of ways.
1. When Carlos and Rebecca leave to find Luke and Alvin, Carlos asks Clem to look after Sarah. He said something like 'just distract her. She gets... NERVOUS'.. if you take too long to reply.
2. If you reply back to Carlos 'You told me to distract her' after the picture fiasco, Sarah says 'Distract?' to her dad.
I'm no psychologist, but to me this points to anxiety more than anything, and anxiety DUE to Carlos' sheltering.
Sarah isn't dealing with any issues like Autism, when the apocalypse began she would have been 12-13 years old, and presumably since the beginning she has been sheltered by her father, not giving her the chance to grow up. Imagine being 12-13 and seeing the man your supposed to be running from and your entire group is afraid of, and you're on your own with a new 11 year old girl. I know for a fact I'd be terrified. Now when she was in the ski lodge being held hostage and her Dad being beaten and fingers snapped in front of her I completely understand how she would be scared for him, especially since Carver is the one doing it. And when Walt was shot, she freaked out. She just saw a man she ate dinner with have his brains blown out, she's sheltered and not used to this sort of thing. In conclusion, I don't consider Sarah a representation of an Autistic girl living in the apocalypse. I see it as a representation of an extremely sheltered 15 year old girl who hasn't been given the time/space to grow up, trying to survive the apocalypse when she has no idea how.