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Why are there people defending T... and T....

Order 66Order 66
edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
No matter what Troy and Tavia is bad people and it's obvious and yet people are defending both of these?
Clem has no weapon's and get's hit by Troy with his weapon, which could lead to skull fractures from the hit from troy and when she hit the floor
Tavia has a nice big smile when the lorry back door open's and see's Kenny and the Cabin group also she is seen with gun's so she apart of it

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  • AWESOMEOAWESOMEO Banned
    edited May 2014
    Tavia may have had to join him, he may have threatened her life, we'll know only when the episode is out.
  • Order 66Order 66
    edited May 2014
    So? They should stand up against Carver and she look's happy to be there
    I bet there are many people who hate Carver in his camp
  • DirtySlimyHairyDirtySlimyHairy
    Because some of us will wait until the episode comes out. I don't defend Troy, but I don't hate him either. For all we know, whether he hits Clem or not could be determined by you.

    And when was established that Tavia is bad?
  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    edited May 2014
    I think people who immediately think everyone in Carver's community are terrible people just because they're not on the same side as Clem should consider the fact that to them, she's just a kid who's travelling with the group who killed both George and Johnny.

    I do question the morality of someone who hits a kid over the head with a blunt object when he could have simply restrained her, but I've seen no outstanding evidence that Tavia is a horrible person. People seem to just be jumping to that because she's not on our side, and that must mean she strangles puppies and drowns babies, right? Not that she's just finding her way to stay alive out here...
  • Raging_BladesRaging_Blades
    Well I made a thread so here you go.

    http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/69067/troy-spoilers-for-ep-3-trailer
  • Order 66Order 66
    If you help the bad guy you are no better than they are
  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    edited May 2014
    Who's to say Carver is anything more than the guy who keeps them alive to them? So far, we've only seen Carver interacting with people who are quite clearly his enemies. Who's to say he's not actually a good leader? He seems to have kept them alive so far.

    I don't claim he's a good person. But I don't think he's a mustache-twirling villain, either.
    Order 66 posted: »

    If you help the bad guy you are no better than they are

  • Order 66Order 66
    No your wrong I know there are good people in Carver's camp the trailer shows some of them helping Clem exscape Carver compound
    SergeantSnookie posted: »

    I think people who immediately think everyone in Carver's community are terrible people just because they're not on the same side as Clem sh

  • dojo32161dojo32161 Moderator
    But I believe those are people in the prison as well. Though I could be wrong.
    Order 66 posted: »

    No your wrong I know there are good people in Carver's camp the trailer shows some of them helping Clem exscape Carver compound

  • Lee4everLee4ever
    Ya for all we know that scene could go different depending if you hate and try to kill everyone that sides with Carver in Carver's camp when ever you get a chance like a Psycho or if you try to be nice and befriend everyone to gain a better vantage or how ever it will go.
    DirtySlimyHairy posted: »

    Because some of us will wait until the episode comes out. I don't defend Troy, but I don't hate him either. For all we know, whether he hits Clem or not could be determined by you. And when was established that Tavia is bad?

  • Order 66Order 66
    edited May 2014
    This is not about Carver this about 2 of his followess
    SergeantSnookie posted: »

    Who's to say Carver is anything more than the guy who keeps them alive to them? So far, we've only seen Carver interacting with people who a

  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    edited May 2014
    "If you help the *bad guy* you are no better than they are."

    Is that not quite clearly about Carver?
    Order 66 posted: »

    This is not about Carver this about 2 of his followess

  • AWESOMEOAWESOMEO Banned
    edited May 2014
    She frowns every time you see her in the trailer, she isn't happy, just like Negan's and the Governor's "dictatorship", Carver rules with an iron fist, and some people are just cowards and won't risk their lives fighting people like Carver.
    Order 66 posted: »

    So? They should stand up against Carver and she look's happy to be there I bet there are many people who hate Carver in his camp

  • Order 66Order 66
    She still follows orders therfore just as bad as the rest
    AWESOMEO posted: »

    She frowns every time you see her in the trailer, she isn't happy, just like Negan's and the Governor's "dictatorship", Carver rules with an iron fist, and some people are just cowards and won't risk their lives fighting people like Carver.

  • Yo-da-ManYo-da-Man
    While i do think all of the hate for Troy is justified b/c of what he did to Clem, i really don't hate Tavia. We don't yet have any evidence that she's a cruel, immoral person. I have to further analyze the morality of her character before i make a valid judgement. Not everyone in Carver's Camp is bad. Look at Reggie. I think everyone in Carver's camp has different complex motives. Not everything is in black and white but not everything is grey either.
  • Order 66Order 66
    edited May 2014
    What? So you think if your mate ask you to helped him kidnap a person and you help him and both of you got caught by the police you get away with it because your mate was the leader/had the idea
    No you will arrested for helping him
    No diffrent from Carver and Tavia as she helping him
    SergeantSnookie posted: »

    "If you help the *bad guy* you are no better than they are." Is that not quite clearly about Carver?

  • DirtySlimyHairyDirtySlimyHairy
    And people explained to you that Carver is the one who keeps them alive and sheltered. That's a priority in the ZA if I were to guess.

    Does this mean Bonnie doesn't regret what she did? No, it does not. But you really can't survive for long out there without getting your hands dirty or doing things that aren't considered ethical. This is mostly what TWD is all about.
    Order 66 posted: »

    She still follows orders therfore just as bad as the rest

  • Order 66Order 66
    Like I said above I know there are good people however if you help the bad guy your still guilty
    That's why we have law's in real life
    Yo-da-Man posted: »

    While i do think all of the hate for Troy is justified b/c of what he did to Clem, i really don't hate Tavia. We don't yet have any evidence

  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    edited May 2014
    Except this entire comparison is irrelevant. This is two years into a zombie apocalypse. Your leader who has kept you alive all this time wants these people back. These people killed a member of your group, George. You get them back.

    You survive another day.
    Order 66 posted: »

    What? So you think if your mate ask you to helped him kidnap a person and you help him and both of you got caught by the police you get awa

  • Order 66Order 66
    Bonnie still help him bring Cabin group to a place they did not want to be at

    Exacly They help Carver in return they get shelter like Bonnie alot of people decided to put themselve's first and help Carver do bad thing's like keeping prisoner's instead of inocent people and does not changed that she is guilty of this
    DirtySlimyHairy posted: »

    And people explained to you that Carver is the one who keeps them alive and sheltered. That's a priority in the ZA if I were to guess.

  • MeMeLordMeMeLord
    There are people defending the holocaust and there are people defending Troy. The world really is diverse.
  • Order 66Order 66
    edited May 2014
    So if your brother wanted to leave and Carver threw him in a prison cell or shot him thats okay to you?
    No you most probely go mad and make Carver let him go or spare him only to Carver force you to join your brother .
    Wow would you like to be a prisoner?Only Alvin shot George why should the rest die because Carver said so?
    SergeantSnookie posted: »

    Except this entire comparison is irrelevant. This is two years into a zombie apocalypse. Your leader who has kept you alive all this time wa

  • DirtySlimyHairyDirtySlimyHairy
    edited May 2014
    We don't know how innocent the cabin group really is. Carver said that Alvin killed someone there. Bonnie's actions are somewhat justified. Carver's main goal was Rebecca, chances are he probably wouldn't even touch Walter if Kenny hadn't shot that guy(forgot his name).

    Also, it appears Bonnie will leave Clem alone for the 15 minutes she needs in order for her to somehow bait the walkers into Carver's camp, at least that's what it looks like.

    Again, being guilty or not that doesn't have that much of a significance two years into the apocalypse.
    Order 66 posted: »

    Bonnie still help him bring Cabin group to a place they did not want to be at Exacly They help Carver in return they get shelter like B

  • Night_OwlNight_Owl
    Comparing the Holocaust to an out of context scene is trying way too hard to cow people into your way of thinking. Chill.
    MeMeLord posted: »

    There are people defending the holocaust and there are people defending Troy. The world really is diverse.

  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    edited May 2014
    Since when were the rest dying because Carver said so? I haven't seen anybody being killed yet.
    Order 66 posted: »

    So if your brother wanted to leave and Carver threw him in a prison cell or shot him thats okay to you? No you most probely go mad and mak

  • Order 66Order 66
    edited May 2014
    Carlos and Kenny friend also can die and Carver
    This is getting pointless we started talking about Troy and Tavia and some how Bonnie, Carver and Cabin group got involved
    There are many ways to survive than depending on 1 man called Carver, If they need Carver to survive then they are useless.You do not need prisoner's to survive the apocalypse.
    SergeantSnookie posted: »

    Since when were the rest dying because Carver said so? I haven't seen anybody being killed yet.

  • dumpfmoebeldumpfmoebel
    I'm on board with disliking Troy, but I don't understand the Tavia hate either. We don't know how she ended up there yet. And even if she was with Carver from the beginning, she might be a good person still who can't do anything against his strict rule.
  • TheMrqwerterTheMrqwerter
    I have nothin' against Tavia but Troy, there is no death nearly painful enough for that stupid fuckin' shitlick
  • ThatGuyOverThereThatGuyOverThere
    There goes the Kenny mentality again.
    To be honest, I hate Tavia now. That manipulative sonuva-
    However, Troy might be a tamable Nick-2. He does seem quite stupid. Maybe we can get him to get himself killed by trying to kill Carver (and failing miserably).
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