Hey all, I have some updates including supporting evidence of my theory, some speculations (weaker than a theory), and key information. I am going to divide this post into 2-4 posts, as I’ve learned nobody wants to read one long one. A quick recap of my theory: 1. FAITH WAS LOOKING FOR THE STOLEN PHOTO FROM CRANE. 2. FAITH IS ALIVE. 3. FAITH (WITH VIVIAN’S HELP) MURDERED LILY. Now I am still confident about the first two, but I am hedging my bets on the third. I also am curious, or have changed my mind on minor (comparatively) things.
Let me reiterate that this is just a theory. We are only 60% through the story; anyone who says they are 100% sure about something non-trivial should not be taken seriously. TTG has done an incredible job with hiding clues/information, as well as keeping things open-ended enough so that a different possibility may end up happening. I have a lot to post, so I will post these one by one, and I will see how far I get.
Many of you have rightly asked, “Well if Faith is alive, then whose head is that?” It’s Amber’s. It may also be Heather's (see next post -- likely 5/12/14). “Who are Amber and Heather?” Well Amber is another one of the girls at P’n’P. I think every girl but Faith, Lily, and Nerissa, are essentially disposable. By the way, the other girls are: Brandy, Heather, Amber, and Tara. These names are all listed off in Mark Wahlberg’s character guessing scene from Ted (2010). Now, we must look at (information most looked over) when this all happened. So far: Sunday, June 29 to Tuesday, July 1, 1980. How do I know? Well, we know it starts in June; if you listen to the very first scene (before you even get to control Bigby). The radio is talking about how it was a record high for June. Then, take a look at the pictures below. One is of a calendar in the girls’ office. The second is a newspaper article. I know it is 1980, because that is the only year from 1980-1985 in which June 29 falls on a Sunday.
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Okay, now look at the first picture. Amber wants somebody to cover for her 7/16. It looks like the note has been stuck to the July calendar, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t stuck to June’s. Also, whoever does the Calendar isn’t doing a good job updating it, because both Faith and Lily are supposedly dead, but their names still appear. Now look at picture two. It shows Brannigan interviewed Bigby early on Tuesday morning (July 1), which was the morning after Lily was killed (night of June 30/early morning of July 1).
I speculate that Faith had made prior arrangements to switch with Amber, after she had made arrangements to cover for Lily – which I will get to shortly. Faith tells Amber, “Sure, I can cover for you, and you don’t even have to work the full night on Sunday. But this guy really likes me, so you’ll need to be glamoured to look just like I do.” Faith went to Woody’s on Sunday, went back and returned her money/makeup, after which Amber as Faith took over and met whoever killed “faith”. The glamour eventually wears off (which is why Swineheart won’t let anyone see the head or body, if he has it).
Now, this begs the question, “why would Lily want/need to switch with Faith?” We cannot know this for sure; however, I believe that she was called in by CM and/or Georgie because her relationship with Woody had been discovered. Why is that a problem? Well, Lily had been giving Woody IOUs/freebees for a while. No profit –> no business –> hooker in trouble. So, I posit that Lily had been scheduled to work on Sunday, June 29, and she got Faith to cover for her. Well we don’t know that Lily HADN’t been scheduled for the next day (Monday, June 30), but I posit that even if she hadn’t, Faith’s “death” would compel Georgie to say, “well, you’ve got to work Monday now because the woman you switched with died last night; it’s time to pay your dues”.
There is still a lot more to come. One of the *many* important things is this: WOODY AND GREN KNOW HOW LILY DIED.
Okay, I must be a fool for engaging in argument with you once again, since you're probably going to ignore everything I said and call me an … moreidiot, cuckoo, fascist or arrogant prat with head up my ass again, but I still feel a need to settle this matter in a civilized way, so here it goes:
You have probably spent some time on other forums as well, you know what off-topic means, you are making entire pages of off-topic arguments where you also act offensive, that is what I mean when saying "hijacking". You are right, I agree that it takes two people to make an argument, I'm well aware that my posting right now just prolongs this argument and creates a further mess of Lars_Jacobson21888 thread, whose topic has nothing to do with what we are arguing right now, but I'm doing so in hope that we would reach some sort of understanding once and for all.
And why didn't you simply told me (and those other people you also got into argument w… [view original content]
The very first thread I made, I foolishly accused Dr. Swineheart of pretty much everything. I was rightly shot down, and I now see that what’s going on has to be opposite to that. The bad guys can’t be just one person, and the people responsible probably aren’t in the comics. Making that tenuous assumption (unless there is a sequel), we find ourselves looking at a lot of characters not just for culpability, but at least for being complicit. Thus, most of the non-canon characters probably end up being killed/thrown down the well, or sent to the farm.
Now, as for how Woody and Gren know how Lily met her end. If you go the the trip Trap in episode 3, listen to their dialogue before opening the door. The picture below is Gren saying, “We [Gren and Woody] know what happened [to Lily]. Woody wants to explain it to Holly, but Gren tells him, “Why would she want to hear that?”
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Further, if you tell Nerissa that 207 was Crane’s room, she confirms. However, if you tell her Lily was murdered that night in 207, she looks away and says, “Oh…”. I am thinking that Faith set up Lily to be killed, but she set it up in a way that it may have been an accident (for the killer, not for faith). We know Crane was there the day of the murder. Besides Nerissa’s testimony that it was Crane’s room, we also know that he was actually watching BEAUTY, not Bigby, when he sees that he has been framed. See below.
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How would he know to watch Beauty if he was not there that day (Monday, June 30)? Furthermore, when Crane bales Bigby out with the memory wipe spell, how would he know (unless he was there) that there was anything that the NYPD needed to forget? He comes fully equipped with an expensive spell (he doesn’t really have the money), and bales out Bigby, whom he doesn’t really like.
Crane certainly is not the murderer, but he was there that day (probably earlier in the day, as he schedules his “massage” early). I had said that Crane’s regular girl was probably Faith. I do not think so anymore. If you look at the Calendar, you can see that every Monday, there was a scheduled appointment with Heather at 10 PM. This is the case for Heather being the used as Faith’s corpse (though I still think it is Amber). In fact, I am not so sure that Faith was even a prostitute at all (at least she was not at the Open Arms). Beauty tells Bigby that she has never heard the name Faith, but she rattles off Lily, Amber, Heather, and Tara pretty easily. See below 2:30 – 4:40.
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There is another hole in the plot here. Holly claims to know very little about her sister. She demands that she get the body, but Crane throws Lily down the well before Holly can get to her. So who is being burned at the funeral? Nobody is. Supposedly some “old world shit will fuck your soul up”, according to Holly, if you do not burn a family member’s body, but nothing happens to her. Also, how does Holly even get to Lily’s things (the Brooch, the picture, her address book, her White-Dove glamour tube?) We don’t see any of that in the evidence box (minus the brooch) when you examine Lily’s body (the glamour tube is that of the white-deer – Greenleaf’s signature). Holly also lets something out that intrigues me. When Snow gives her the brooch, Holly says it was from a DWARVES’COPPER MINE. If you look at the book of fables entry from Lily’s Brooch, it clearly states it is made of Iron that she got after devouring a human. Jack also lets it slip (though it could just be Jack being stupid) that Holly’s sister has been missing for “what? A few days now?” (not weeks, as is suggested otherwise). I am thinking that Holly may know more about her sister than she lets on.
As far as the spell and the ribbons go: I will say the ribbons are most likely for a decapitation spell, or they serve some other purpose. They do not prevent the girls from speaking. That is another spell (not necessarily by a different person, but I think it is). Evidence for this (also evidence for Faith being alive): If you ask the mirror to show you Faith (she’s been “dead”), he says, “Through powerful magic her whereabouts concealed. Unfortuneately for you, these lips are sealed. These lips are sealed. It is not my choice of Phrasing, Bigby; it’s simply the way it has to be”. The mirror wears no ribbon. If you ask the mirror about Lily, he says that he cannot show her whereabouts, but doesn’t say, “these lips are sealed”. This is after she is dead, but before she is thrown down the well by Crane. I will post my theory on who is casting the silence spell and why in another post.
There are also more questions in the story. There are a series of very “convenient” appearances by several characters, without which, Bigby would not really know where to go. I will post about those in the next post, which will be more speculative than this one or the previous.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm saying Faith did take the photo from Crane because of your two reasons. It was important (it was incriminating to Crane), and it was to blackmail someone. That someone was Crane.
My next post will have to do with trolls, and Scandinavian mythology, from which I believe many side-characters are based. Online trolls, like their Northern-European counterparts, have an insatiable appetite. I humbly request of everyone here please, please, do not feed trolls. This includes replying to a personal attack (no matter how stupid, incoherent, or incorrect it may be). It does nothing to further discussion, and also: you WON'T win. There is only one way to beat an online troll in an argument: do not reply back. You've already won.
Well, I tried, I'm definitely giving up now. As expected you haven't answered to any of arguments I made above and repeated the same sentences again (fascism, racism, head up my ass, username with word "Great", me not being human being and making multiple accounts, etc.) I was hoping you'd at least come up with some new name to call me, you overused that "cuckoo" thing a bit if you ask me...
I'm really sorry that you can't see the error of your insulting and rage-consuming ways and are completely off the track with definitions of some terms, like "racism", but, in the end, it is not up to me to teach you how to behave like a civilized being, I'll just say this - dyslexia is the least of your problems. I already flagged you, in the meantime I'l just have to practice my ignoring skills.
Against my better judgement I involved myself once again in this nonsense of yours even though I've already decided I won't do so, but this does it, then. You can take my word now that I won't ever again bother you with replying to a single one of your posts on this forum. I promise you that we are truly done now.
You haven't tried at all Cuckoo. Again Cuckoo your ego just repeats itself, it not my fault. Did you offer an apology at any time? Did you apologizes for your insults in the first comment you ever made to me? How have you tried? All you have done is repeatedly past the blamed on. Because oh No, it obviously is not your fault. How could it possibly be your fault?
Making more Cuckoo excuses, when pasting off further insults. Not grasping English poperly at all. Rage consuming ways? What the hell does that mean? Then you have the nerve to say, my lack of definition on certain words used? Go back to planet Cuckoo, we don't need aliens like you. Aliens who can't understand how to be human.
If I am not mistaken Cuckoo you are of a particular type of ethnicity? No racism intended at all when using any remarks made. I would make the same remarks to anyone with no intentions other then as a joke. If anybody has acted in the way that the above poster has. The references that I have made, are only in a direct source to the above person. Not to be mistaken under any circumstances to any type of ethnicity! Why have I brought ethnicity into this debate? Because it is impossible to imagine, the difficulties had otherwise. The pieces fitting. He has supposedly walked away in any event? Once upon further understanding that supposed layer of ice. Outside of what has now become quite obvious. Cuckoo you have failed to grasp what the definition to certain words mean. Automatically assuming that terms like racism, fascism etc, cannot possibly apply, because the very definitions of those terms, fly right on over your head? In thinking how can that terminology possibly define your ethnicity, they cannot be imagined so therefore do not compute, Cuckoo Cuckoo. When also having no real understanding of some meanings which are associated to, titles, concepts, but instead will randomly pluck out words, because they are associated to historical figures, or because they must be cool, when personally hearing those terms before.
Offensively taunting, when stating, I have flagged you. This by nature is an offensive taunt. Because if I was that aforementioned assumed "consumed by rage', being a Bull, I would charge at that taunt. Although within reality having made this debate too damn easy Cuckoo, and I love to debate.
Well, I tried, I'm definitely giving up now. As expected you haven't answered to any of arguments I made above and repeated the same sentenc… morees again (fascism, racism, head up my ass, username with word "Great", me not being human being and making multiple accounts, etc.) I was hoping you'd at least come up with some new name to call me, you overused that "cuckoo" thing a bit if you ask me...
I'm really sorry that you can't see the error of your insulting and rage-consuming ways and are completely off the track with definitions of some terms, like "racism", but, in the end, it is not up to me to teach you how to behave like a civilized being, I'll just say this - dyslexia is the least of your problems. I already flagged you, in the meantime I'l just have to practice my ignoring skills.
Against my better judgement I involved myself once again in this nonsense of yours even though I've already decided I won't do so, but this does it,… [view original content]
Crane is a scumbag, but he is really scared, he isn't the killer. Dum and Dee aren't working for him. they are working for Crocked man. he was the one who send them to look for the photo.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm saying Faith did take the photo from Crane because of your two reasons. It was important (it was incriminating to Crane), and it was to blackmail someone. That someone was Crane.
There is no proof Faith had taken the photo. There is a lack of proof however. That Faith had a photo in her possession. Because a photo was never recovered, when under the assumption Faith had a photo. Because the supposed photo was searched for by Muscle. When they searched where she was seen to be.
If Faith had a photo? Blackmail would have been the assumed obvious intent. However why would Faith just later incriminate with that supposed photograph, not those later photo's found. Instead of seeking fortune from any blackmailed gains, because any cash cow would soon disappear upon later implications?
There are other factors to also be considered. I find it quite hypothetical to assume. When Faith the pauper, whore, was the kind of mastermind behind any supposed scheme's. The scheme's in play show evidence of a particular type of killer's trends. Stalking and having other evidence, these causing a shuffle of power, unrest, and revenge.
That is not to say that a whore cannot be, the not so innocent victim, but when scheme's in play are of a far more diabolical nature. Causing an imbalance to the entire fable community structures showing other motivation, it is quite hard to imagine the work of a pauper whore. Yes supposedly that whore may have sought beginning gains, then erupting into other events, but that is not nearly the entire story here.
Crane is a scumbag, but he is really scared, he isn't the killer. Dum and Dee aren't working for him. they are working for Crocked man. he was the one who send them to look for the photo.
Wow 3 post in a row. Have you nominated yourself for that troll of the year award? I'm bad I must be feeding it. Although I think he does this job all by himself. He is trying so hard to win that coveted trophy. How do you beat a troll? You give them a ribbon, you know a boobie trapped ribbon. According to his theory. The theory he is trying so hard to convince himself of.
His theory has changed, been proven wrong, and will undoubtedly change next episode. Although right now is nothing more then a convoluted mess of happenstance assumption, based entirely on whim, with little to no, hard evidence established within fact. After suffering pages and pages of his lack of fact. What are we left with? A troll.
1) Why would Faith leave her own ring, her own heirloom, in her own head attached to a ribbon? Leading any investigation right back to her? To prove that she is already dead. We already have a proven dead person. She can be verified from her meeting with Bigby prior to her decapitation, without her using her ring as proof.
2) If any glamors wear off, according to your theory to somehow prove point 1? This will prove that Faith is still alive, discrediting your theory altogether. Because this won't be the work of a planned killer, but a victim. In any case, how does a voodoo doll, with a picture and DNA wear off?
3) What photo, a photo that was never found, a wild goose chase, a red herring? If blackmail was any motivation here, why would Faith later implicate? Because Faith probably never had the photo, not photo's, in her possession at her time of death, or that assumed photo got her killed. When Faith is possibly not even the killer.
4) If Faith is the killer of herself, why would she leave her own head on the doorstep, and then leave another whores. What motivation apart from the angry serial Hooker, could she possibly have? Blackmail is no longer the motive.
I really don't want to comment, on supposed plot holes of imagination's making, speech impediments of various characters, according to hypothetical assumption. Lacking credible hard evidence, often ignored, turned into some elaborate kind of conjuration of improbability. Some of the characters mentioned are often clearly worried, distressed, when they're providing separate information altogether. Worn ribbons that decapitate, like light sabres. It goes on and on for pages.
My next post will have to do with trolls, and Scandinavian mythology, from which I believe many side-characters are based. Online trolls, li… moreke their Northern-European counterparts, have an insatiable appetite. I humbly request of everyone here please, please, do not feed trolls. This includes replying to a personal attack (no matter how stupid, incoherent, or incorrect it may be). It does nothing to further discussion, and also: you WON'T win. There is only one way to beat an online troll in an argument: do not reply back. You've already won.
I don't even post on this forum. This will literally be my first post and likely my last. I don't even play this game - I literally just went to youtube and watched it like a movie. Having thoroughly enjoyed watching it I came here to see what other people thought about it and decided to read a couple of threads. I bumped into this one, where I was entertained by how minds could come together to form predictions that actually make sense. . . I was enjoying the read, and even laughed and shook my head as I read some of your nonsense where you began to harass everyone in the thread.
It is nice to see them being nice to you, since they actually have a common presence here and would not like to be banned or anything of the like - but me, I have no such concerns. While they are attempting to be understanding of your 'condition', I do not sympathize for you at all. It is one thing to have a disorder, etc. Fine. It is another thing when you go above and beyond and blatantly start trolling people seeking attention. Your posts are ALL 100% aggressive - and if I knew how to report you on here I would (I'm going to figure out by the way). The first one, although childish, was a 'little' amusing; I must admit I chuckled at the frustration people were experiencing trying to be reasonable with a complete idiot.
But then you got out of hand. You have reached a new level of troll when people who aren't even members of this forum make an account just to fight for you to get banned. I do not think threads that involve critical thinking are really the place for you, and I strongly believe you need to find some like minded people where you can troll one another and throw bones back and forth in the middle of your circular argument.
That being said, thumbs down for you; I reiterate, I'm going to find out how to report you. Having modded many forums, people like you are very unwelcome - and it's always good to mulch the yard from time to time so that richer things can flourish.
Wow 3 post in a row. Have you nominated yourself for that troll of the year award? I'm bad I must be feeding it. Although I think he does th… moreis job all by himself. He is trying so hard to win that coveted trophy. How do you beat a troll? You give them a ribbon, you know a boobie trapped ribbon. According to his theory. The theory he is trying so hard to convince himself of.
His theory has changed, been proven wrong, and will undoubtedly change next episode. Although right now is nothing more then a convoluted mess of happenstance assumption, based entirely on whim, with little to no, hard evidence established within fact. After suffering pages and pages of his lack of fact. What are we left with? A troll.
1) Why would Faith leave her own ring, her own heirloom, in her own head attached to a ribbon? Leading any investigation right back to her? To prove that she is already dead. We already have a proven dead person. She can be verifi… [view original content]
I don't even post on this forum. This will literally be my first post and likely my last. I don't even play this game - I literally just wen… moret to youtube and watched it like a movie. Having thoroughly enjoyed watching it I came here to see what other people thought about it and decided to read a couple of threads. I bumped into this one, where I was entertained by how minds could come together to form predictions that actually make sense. . . I was enjoying the read, and even laughed and shook my head as I read some of your nonsense where you began to harass everyone in the thread.
It is nice to see them being nice to you, since they actually have a common presence here and would not like to be banned or anything of the like - but me, I have no such concerns. While they are attempting to be understanding of your 'condition', I do not sympathize for you at all. It is one thing to have a disorder, etc. Fine. It is another thing when you go … [view original content]
I don't even post on this forum. This will literally be my first post and likely my last. I don't even play this game - I literally just wen… moret to youtube and watched it like a movie. Having thoroughly enjoyed watching it I came here to see what other people thought about it and decided to read a couple of threads. I bumped into this one, where I was entertained by how minds could come together to form predictions that actually make sense. . . I was enjoying the read, and even laughed and shook my head as I read some of your nonsense where you began to harass everyone in the thread.
It is nice to see them being nice to you, since they actually have a common presence here and would not like to be banned or anything of the like - but me, I have no such concerns. While they are attempting to be understanding of your 'condition', I do not sympathize for you at all. It is one thing to have a disorder, etc. Fine. It is another thing when you go … [view original content]
I apologize for prolonging that idiotic argument here in your thread. Troll was right about one thing, circular arguments take two people and I take my share of responsibility for that newest couple of posts above. I promise you that if I ever post in this thread again it will be strictly about the theories. Though I first have to catch up with what's been said lately.
And try to keep this thread going, you had some very interesting observations here.
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Hey all, I have some updates including supporting evidence of my theory, some speculations (weaker than a theory), and key information. I am going to divide this post into 2-4 posts, as I’ve learned nobody wants to read one long one. A quick recap of my theory: 1. FAITH WAS LOOKING FOR THE STOLEN PHOTO FROM CRANE. 2. FAITH IS ALIVE. 3. FAITH (WITH VIVIAN’S HELP) MURDERED LILY. Now I am still confident about the first two, but I am hedging my bets on the third. I also am curious, or have changed my mind on minor (comparatively) things.
Let me reiterate that this is just a theory. We are only 60% through the story; anyone who says they are 100% sure about something non-trivial should not be taken seriously. TTG has done an incredible job with hiding clues/information, as well as keeping things open-ended enough so that a different possibility may end up happening. I have a lot to post, so I will post these one by one, and I will see how far I get.
Many of you have rightly asked, “Well if Faith is alive, then whose head is that?” It’s Amber’s. It may also be Heather's (see next post -- likely 5/12/14). “Who are Amber and Heather?” Well Amber is another one of the girls at P’n’P. I think every girl but Faith, Lily, and Nerissa, are essentially disposable. By the way, the other girls are: Brandy, Heather, Amber, and Tara. These names are all listed off in Mark Wahlberg’s character guessing scene from Ted (2010). Now, we must look at (information most looked over) when this all happened. So far: Sunday, June 29 to Tuesday, July 1, 1980. How do I know? Well, we know it starts in June; if you listen to the very first scene (before you even get to control Bigby). The radio is talking about how it was a record high for June. Then, take a look at the pictures below. One is of a calendar in the girls’ office. The second is a newspaper article. I know it is 1980, because that is the only year from 1980-1985 in which June 29 falls on a Sunday.
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Okay, now look at the first picture. Amber wants somebody to cover for her 7/16. It looks like the note has been stuck to the July calendar, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t stuck to June’s. Also, whoever does the Calendar isn’t doing a good job updating it, because both Faith and Lily are supposedly dead, but their names still appear. Now look at picture two. It shows Brannigan interviewed Bigby early on Tuesday morning (July 1), which was the morning after Lily was killed (night of June 30/early morning of July 1).
I speculate that Faith had made prior arrangements to switch with Amber, after she had made arrangements to cover for Lily – which I will get to shortly. Faith tells Amber, “Sure, I can cover for you, and you don’t even have to work the full night on Sunday. But this guy really likes me, so you’ll need to be glamoured to look just like I do.” Faith went to Woody’s on Sunday, went back and returned her money/makeup, after which Amber as Faith took over and met whoever killed “faith”. The glamour eventually wears off (which is why Swineheart won’t let anyone see the head or body, if he has it).
Now, this begs the question, “why would Lily want/need to switch with Faith?” We cannot know this for sure; however, I believe that she was called in by CM and/or Georgie because her relationship with Woody had been discovered. Why is that a problem? Well, Lily had been giving Woody IOUs/freebees for a while. No profit –> no business –> hooker in trouble. So, I posit that Lily had been scheduled to work on Sunday, June 29, and she got Faith to cover for her. Well we don’t know that Lily HADN’t been scheduled for the next day (Monday, June 30), but I posit that even if she hadn’t, Faith’s “death” would compel Georgie to say, “well, you’ve got to work Monday now because the woman you switched with died last night; it’s time to pay your dues”.
There is still a lot more to come. One of the *many* important things is this: WOODY AND GREN KNOW HOW LILY DIED.
The very first thread I made, I foolishly accused Dr. Swineheart of pretty much everything. I was rightly shot down, and I now see that what’s going on has to be opposite to that. The bad guys can’t be just one person, and the people responsible probably aren’t in the comics. Making that tenuous assumption (unless there is a sequel), we find ourselves looking at a lot of characters not just for culpability, but at least for being complicit. Thus, most of the non-canon characters probably end up being killed/thrown down the well, or sent to the farm.
Now, as for how Woody and Gren know how Lily met her end. If you go the the trip Trap in episode 3, listen to their dialogue before opening the door. The picture below is Gren saying, “We [Gren and Woody] know what happened [to Lily]. Woody wants to explain it to Holly, but Gren tells him, “Why would she want to hear that?”
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Further, if you tell Nerissa that 207 was Crane’s room, she confirms. However, if you tell her Lily was murdered that night in 207, she looks away and says, “Oh…”. I am thinking that Faith set up Lily to be killed, but she set it up in a way that it may have been an accident (for the killer, not for faith). We know Crane was there the day of the murder. Besides Nerissa’s testimony that it was Crane’s room, we also know that he was actually watching BEAUTY, not Bigby, when he sees that he has been framed. See below.
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How would he know to watch Beauty if he was not there that day (Monday, June 30)? Furthermore, when Crane bales Bigby out with the memory wipe spell, how would he know (unless he was there) that there was anything that the NYPD needed to forget? He comes fully equipped with an expensive spell (he doesn’t really have the money), and bales out Bigby, whom he doesn’t really like.
Crane certainly is not the murderer, but he was there that day (probably earlier in the day, as he schedules his “massage” early). I had said that Crane’s regular girl was probably Faith. I do not think so anymore. If you look at the Calendar, you can see that every Monday, there was a scheduled appointment with Heather at 10 PM. This is the case for Heather being the used as Faith’s corpse (though I still think it is Amber). In fact, I am not so sure that Faith was even a prostitute at all (at least she was not at the Open Arms). Beauty tells Bigby that she has never heard the name Faith, but she rattles off Lily, Amber, Heather, and Tara pretty easily. See below 2:30 – 4:40.
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There is another hole in the plot here. Holly claims to know very little about her sister. She demands that she get the body, but Crane throws Lily down the well before Holly can get to her. So who is being burned at the funeral? Nobody is. Supposedly some “old world shit will fuck your soul up”, according to Holly, if you do not burn a family member’s body, but nothing happens to her. Also, how does Holly even get to Lily’s things (the Brooch, the picture, her address book, her White-Dove glamour tube?) We don’t see any of that in the evidence box (minus the brooch) when you examine Lily’s body (the glamour tube is that of the white-deer – Greenleaf’s signature). Holly also lets something out that intrigues me. When Snow gives her the brooch, Holly says it was from a DWARVES’COPPER MINE. If you look at the book of fables entry from Lily’s Brooch, it clearly states it is made of Iron that she got after devouring a human. Jack also lets it slip (though it could just be Jack being stupid) that Holly’s sister has been missing for “what? A few days now?” (not weeks, as is suggested otherwise). I am thinking that Holly may know more about her sister than she lets on.
As far as the spell and the ribbons go: I will say the ribbons are most likely for a decapitation spell, or they serve some other purpose. They do not prevent the girls from speaking. That is another spell (not necessarily by a different person, but I think it is). Evidence for this (also evidence for Faith being alive): If you ask the mirror to show you Faith (she’s been “dead”), he says, “Through powerful magic her whereabouts concealed. Unfortuneately for you, these lips are sealed. These lips are sealed. It is not my choice of Phrasing, Bigby; it’s simply the way it has to be”. The mirror wears no ribbon. If you ask the mirror about Lily, he says that he cannot show her whereabouts, but doesn’t say, “these lips are sealed”. This is after she is dead, but before she is thrown down the well by Crane. I will post my theory on who is casting the silence spell and why in another post.
There are also more questions in the story. There are a series of very “convenient” appearances by several characters, without which, Bigby would not really know where to go. I will post about those in the next post, which will be more speculative than this one or the previous.
I'm really sorry that you can't see the error of your insulting and rage-consuming ways and are completely off the track with definitions of some terms, like "racism", but, in the end, it is not up to me to teach you how to behave like a civilized being, I'll just say this - dyslexia is the least of your problems. I already flagged you, in the meantime I'l just have to practice my ignoring skills.
Against my better judgement I involved myself once again in this nonsense of yours even though I've already decided I won't do so, but this does it, then. You can take my word now that I won't ever again bother you with replying to a single one of your posts on this forum. I promise you that we are truly done now.
Making more Cuckoo excuses, when pasting off further insults. Not grasping English poperly at all. Rage consuming ways? What the hell does that mean? Then you have the nerve to say, my lack of definition on certain words used? Go back to planet Cuckoo, we don't need aliens like you. Aliens who can't understand how to be human.
If I am not mistaken Cuckoo you are of a particular type of ethnicity? No racism intended at all when using any remarks made. I would make the same remarks to anyone with no intentions other then as a joke. If anybody has acted in the way that the above poster has. The references that I have made, are only in a direct source to the above person. Not to be mistaken under any circumstances to any type of ethnicity! Why have I brought ethnicity into this debate? Because it is impossible to imagine, the difficulties had otherwise. The pieces fitting. He has supposedly walked away in any event? Once upon further understanding that supposed layer of ice. Outside of what has now become quite obvious. Cuckoo you have failed to grasp what the definition to certain words mean. Automatically assuming that terms like racism, fascism etc, cannot possibly apply, because the very definitions of those terms, fly right on over your head? In thinking how can that terminology possibly define your ethnicity, they cannot be imagined so therefore do not compute, Cuckoo Cuckoo. When also having no real understanding of some meanings which are associated to, titles, concepts, but instead will randomly pluck out words, because they are associated to historical figures, or because they must be cool, when personally hearing those terms before.
Offensively taunting, when stating, I have flagged you. This by nature is an offensive taunt. Because if I was that aforementioned assumed "consumed by rage', being a Bull, I would charge at that taunt. Although within reality having made this debate too damn easy Cuckoo, and I love to debate.
If Faith had a photo? Blackmail would have been the assumed obvious intent. However why would Faith just later incriminate with that supposed photograph, not those later photo's found. Instead of seeking fortune from any blackmailed gains, because any cash cow would soon disappear upon later implications?
There are other factors to also be considered. I find it quite hypothetical to assume. When Faith the pauper, whore, was the kind of mastermind behind any supposed scheme's. The scheme's in play show evidence of a particular type of killer's trends. Stalking and having other evidence, these causing a shuffle of power, unrest, and revenge.
That is not to say that a whore cannot be, the not so innocent victim, but when scheme's in play are of a far more diabolical nature. Causing an imbalance to the entire fable community structures showing other motivation, it is quite hard to imagine the work of a pauper whore. Yes supposedly that whore may have sought beginning gains, then erupting into other events, but that is not nearly the entire story here.
His theory has changed, been proven wrong, and will undoubtedly change next episode. Although right now is nothing more then a convoluted mess of happenstance assumption, based entirely on whim, with little to no, hard evidence established within fact. After suffering pages and pages of his lack of fact. What are we left with? A troll.
1) Why would Faith leave her own ring, her own heirloom, in her own head attached to a ribbon? Leading any investigation right back to her? To prove that she is already dead. We already have a proven dead person. She can be verified from her meeting with Bigby prior to her decapitation, without her using her ring as proof.
2) If any glamors wear off, according to your theory to somehow prove point 1? This will prove that Faith is still alive, discrediting your theory altogether. Because this won't be the work of a planned killer, but a victim. In any case, how does a voodoo doll, with a picture and DNA wear off?
3) What photo, a photo that was never found, a wild goose chase, a red herring? If blackmail was any motivation here, why would Faith later implicate? Because Faith probably never had the photo, not photo's, in her possession at her time of death, or that assumed photo got her killed. When Faith is possibly not even the killer.
4) If Faith is the killer of herself, why would she leave her own head on the doorstep, and then leave another whores. What motivation apart from the angry serial Hooker, could she possibly have? Blackmail is no longer the motive.
I really don't want to comment, on supposed plot holes of imagination's making, speech impediments of various characters, according to hypothetical assumption. Lacking credible hard evidence, often ignored, turned into some elaborate kind of conjuration of improbability. Some of the characters mentioned are often clearly worried, distressed, when they're providing separate information altogether. Worn ribbons that decapitate, like light sabres. It goes on and on for pages.
It is nice to see them being nice to you, since they actually have a common presence here and would not like to be banned or anything of the like - but me, I have no such concerns. While they are attempting to be understanding of your 'condition', I do not sympathize for you at all. It is one thing to have a disorder, etc. Fine. It is another thing when you go above and beyond and blatantly start trolling people seeking attention. Your posts are ALL 100% aggressive - and if I knew how to report you on here I would (I'm going to figure out by the way). The first one, although childish, was a 'little' amusing; I must admit I chuckled at the frustration people were experiencing trying to be reasonable with a complete idiot.
But then you got out of hand. You have reached a new level of troll when people who aren't even members of this forum make an account just to fight for you to get banned. I do not think threads that involve critical thinking are really the place for you, and I strongly believe you need to find some like minded people where you can troll one another and throw bones back and forth in the middle of your circular argument.
That being said, thumbs down for you; I reiterate, I'm going to find out how to report you. Having modded many forums, people like you are very unwelcome - and it's always good to mulch the yard from time to time so that richer things can flourish.
It'd be a pleasure to see you gone.
Signed,
Squigglez
P.S. I'm not coming back.
And try to keep this thread going, you had some very interesting observations here.