Maintaining Clem's Humanity
I, like 30ish% of players, chose to leave with Sarita when it came to Carver's death. We all remember Chuck's speech. You ARE either living or you are not. But, enjoying death changes you. Did anybody else remember Lee (determitantly) say "Killing is bad no matter what."? We saw how much it weighed down on Lee, because Lee still had his humanity. I think 205, "No Going Back", is talking about Clem's humanity and sanity. The choices you make with her determine what kind of person she is, and staying back to watch Carver get his brains bashed in will almost undoubtedly cause Clem some mental problems.
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I didn't want Clem to see that...
In the end, most people did it because they wanted to save a life.
"You're either living or you're not". You don't have to be a stone cold killer, but in TWD universe, death is everywhere. You're going to face it eventually, so you might as well get used to it now. Getting Clem to watch Carver's death was one of the best things I've chosen, because I don't want her to turn into another Sarah, and be emotionally weak.
I thought it was watching someone lose a life XD
You cant be afraid or innocent it this world, because those who are don't survive.
Hrm....
PTSD?
She already dealt with death Omid,her parents,Lee,ETC
So IMO she didn't need to see that....
I said something longer and with more detail, I will try to find it and post it here.
"he slapped clem in my play through, he was cruele, evil, and sick and tried to manipulate me.
he deserved to die and I watched him die without pity.
and you cant stay innocent or afraid in this world, because the innocent and afraid ones die. and clem cant be afraid or innocent anymore. Im not saying she has to be a cold heart murder like carver to survive. im saying that she can be afraid to kill someone when needs to. because if she is it could mean life and death. and watching carver die might give her that strength to kill whoever that is.."
she needs to be ready for stuff like that. she cant be afraid.
She only survived because she's hardened.
I felt that watching Carver die would only make her stronger. She needs to be prepared to deal with gruesome stuff. With stuff no one else wants to deal with. It doesn't exactly mean she is losing her humanity. She can use that strength to protect the ones she loves. She needs that strength.
To make tough decisions if it means it'll save the ones she cares about. Let's face it, if Kenny hadn't killed Carver, he WOULD have come back for the group. And this time, he would kill everyone. He was even willing to kill Rebecca and his baby rather than letting them escape. Clem has to understand that.
to continue to live?
or to make sure that we deserve to live?
Family is important yes, but like anyone, they can go off the deep end.
Clem was there when they were fed Mark's legs.
Clem was there when Lilly shot Doug or Carley.
Clem saw Duke (Duck... Keeping "Duke" for the lulz) deteriorate right before her eyes.
Clem saw her own parents as walkers, and was then forced to take in the grief of Lee dying ontop of that, no more than 10 minutes later.
I think Kenny killing Carver isn't the worst thing she has seen up to this point. At least Carver still has his skull intact. Larry, on the other hand... Powerful chin. One of the greats.
So I want her to be ready for that.
Kind of like carol in the show. Lizzie was loosing it, Carol didn't want to kill Lizzie, but Carol knew that Lizzie would hurt others, so Carol had the strength to do it. potentially saving her, Tyrees, and the baby.
What if carol didn't have the strength to do that? What if she never put her husband down or saw her daughter die, that's were she got the strength from,. That's were she got the knowledge of knowing what HAS to be done.
this is how I feel.
I get what you mean but there's a difference between an execution shot and beating someone's face to nothing with a crowbar.
hell, when Kenny shot Carver's knees I thought he was just going to pull a John Reese and leave him like that. He probably would have died anyway.
Not to mention, from my own point of view, watching my favorite character bash in the skull of a psychopath who killed innocent people and beat the shit out of said character? More satisfying than it should be.
Disagreed. Watching someone die, not preventing it, isn't the same as acting it out. It doesn't make one a psychopath. Clementine has already killed, at least in a determinant means. The stranger was killed by Clem, but she felt unstable afterwards. Distressed. The moment we see her kill again, if that ever happens, then we can start assuming she'd be losing her innocence.
We've seen Lee watch people die, yet every choice for him to kill someone after the zombie apocalypse was determinant. Does it make him "less human?" Would it make Clem "less human" once she eventually does kill someone else? How old does she need to be before it's okay for her to take a life within TWD's universe?