Anyway, I still say that Larry was dead. There was no way he was walking out of there. Anyone who doesn't believe me has watched too many Hollywoody CPR scenes.
Because Kenny could have just held the salt lick over Larry's head if he had turned. If he was alive? Well, no need to drop it. Maybe if Lil… morey had tried mouth-to-mouth I'd have been more in a hurry to drag her away. The problem is Kenny straight up just crushes Larry's head instead of hanging it over him.
But I don't think people hate that decision so much as Kenny's constant tantrums if you don't follow everything he does like a puppy so-eager to appease him. If you disagree with anything Lee will never hear the end of it and though I was pretty 50/50 on when I sided with him by Savanna I was losing patience.
Kenny apologist downvotes incoming.
You've always been there for me Lee, always had my back when it mattered. What kind of friend would I be if I wasn't there for you now? You and Clem are the only family I have left. I'm with you to the end. You can count on me." —Kenny words to Lee
Loyalty is very important to Kenny and he values it greatly. By him saying "Would you put your life on the line" in episode 4 I think he might of been referring to his reputation and outlook the group had on him. Kenny was viewed as a kind of antagonist by mostly everyone, Lee, Lilly even his wife Katjaa if you left him alone on taking care of Larry. This would really effect someone that was just trying to keep everyone safe. I killed Larry in the meat locker and I do believe he was alive but I wasn't willing to take the risk, only 5-10% of people will successfully be resurrected by CPR without the use of medical equipment. It can only stabilize the heart. We don't know how long it would take for him to turn and there was no pulse or breathing this means no oxygen to the brain, that was not a risk that we could take in such and enclosed space with a man of that size.He could knock Kenny and Lee down in one punch. Imagine a man that size forcing all his wight on you and getting a bite outta you throat. You'd be finished for sure. There were four people in the room and one of them a child, Clem can't do anything because she's so small and Lilly would be in shock. Lee and Kenny are the only able fighters and even then there is no guarantee that they could take him.
I liked Larry. Some people may of took him out because they hated his character but I am one of the few people who shown extreme respect for the old man and I could see where he was coming from. I didn't help Kenny because he wanted me to have his back, I didn't kill Larry because I dislike him. I helped finish off Larry because it had to be done.
I understand, that he had to kill Larry, since he was going to turn. The thing I don't like is that he treats me like an asshole just, because I didn't want Clem to see me as a murder.
And how would you know when you are in a dark room with a half-dead man when everyone is panicked? The most reasonable action (not the most moral one) was to smash Larry's head in to calm thinks down and solve this problem at once.
But heart attacks can also lead to lose of breathing, meaning in order for the patient to continue living, CPR can be used in order to restore breathing/save Larry's life. CPR is used in a wide variety of situations, even heart attack. When I was in Camp Humphrey, SK, I took a CPR class and it is a lot more important and could be used in a lot more situations than you think.
CPR oxygenates the system and keeps the heart bearting. Larry fell over due to a HEART attack, he didn't just stop breathing. Why do you thi… morenk he stopped breathing? His heart wasn't beating. It is extremely unlikely that performing CPR without using a defibrillator to get the heart back in rythm would restore him.
In a situation like that, someone falling over from a heart attack, with no access to medical help at all. Yeah, he was dead.
A lot of people don't know how CPR works, because of how it's displayed in movies. CPR is NOT used for restoring or reviving people, but rather to keep them alive and prevent brain damage until professional help arrives.
The most reasonable action would be the best one which wasn't influenced by emotions.
I'm saying that I do understand WHY Kenny did it, but I don't think that makes it the right thing to do in any way, nor was it a logical action, it was an emotional one. Just like when Lilly shoots Carley.
And how would you know when you are in a dark room with a half-dead man when everyone is panicked? The most reasonable action (not the most moral one) was to smash Larry's head in to calm thinks down and solve this problem at once.
I'm aware it can lead to lose of breathing, since his heart isn't beating. CPR is used, yes, but as I said not to revive people but rather avoid brain damage/keep someone alive. You say it is used in order for the patient to "continue living", which is exactly my point. It's used to keep him alive, not revive him. He wouldn't wake up, but he wouldn't die either. Until you stopped administering CPR that is.
I too have taken a CPR class and also both my parents are doctors. Trust me, in real life, without medical assistance Larry would NOT have walked out of there.
CPR is important, but not as magical as Hollywood would have you believe. Look it up if you don't believe me.
You wouldn't even administer CPR unless the victim was in cardiac arrest (which Larry was, since he wasn't breathing and was unconscious), at which point CPR alone isn't gonna get him up and walking anyway.
But heart attacks can also lead to lose of breathing, meaning in order for the patient to continue living, CPR can be used in order to resto… morere breathing/save Larry's life. CPR is used in a wide variety of situations, even heart attack. When I was in Camp Humphrey, SK, I took a CPR class and it is a lot more important and could be used in a lot more situations than you think.
A person not breathing and having a heart attack is having full cardiac arrest. Not only would someone have to preform full CPR including mouth to mouth, but also the heart would have to be massaged in order to try and get the blood to pump properly again. If its SCA (sudden cardiac arrest) which Larry has all the signs of, even with all available medical equipment thrown at you, has only a five percent resuscitation/survival rate. With the percentage going down @every ten seconds. Even by some miracle of revival, without a medical team, supplies, and emergency care, Larry isn't getting off that floor.
But heart attacks can also lead to lose of breathing, meaning in order for the patient to continue living, CPR can be used in order to resto… morere breathing/save Larry's life. CPR is used in a wide variety of situations, even heart attack. When I was in Camp Humphrey, SK, I took a CPR class and it is a lot more important and could be used in a lot more situations than you think.
A person not breathing and having a heart attack is having full cardiac arrest. Not only would someone have to preform full CPR including m… moreouth to mouth, but also the heart would have to be massaged in order to try and get the blood to pump properly again. If its SCA (sudden cardiac arrest) which Larry has all the signs of, even with all available medical equipment thrown at you, has only a five percent resuscitation/survival rate. With the percentage going down @every ten seconds. Even by some miracle of revival, without a medical team, supplies, and emergency care, Larry isn't getting off that floor.
I don't hate him for 'that', but I hate him for having grudge on Lee after Lee didn't approve it. Killing someone because of imminent danger can happen when you're desperate, but demanding support about it is too much.
There was a chance, but that chance was pretty small. There was only a small window of opportunity to save Larry before reanimation, and it was arguably all used up before Kenny ended up crushing his head.
It's the right thing to do. There was a possible chance to save someones life at the risk of yours and Kenny would've rather crushed his hea… mored with a saltlick. It all depends on your point of view. I saw what Kenny did as pretty fucked up, but others would say he saved their lives.
The point is you're taking risks that are just not worth it. Lilly was practically right on top of Larry. The moment that he turned he would have ripped her throat out.
Because Kenny could have just held the salt lick over Larry's head if he had turned. If he was alive? Well, no need to drop it. Maybe if Lil… morey had tried mouth-to-mouth I'd have been more in a hurry to drag her away. The problem is Kenny straight up just crushes Larry's head instead of hanging it over him.
But I don't think people hate that decision so much as Kenny's constant tantrums if you don't follow everything he does like a puppy so-eager to appease him. If you disagree with anything Lee will never hear the end of it and though I was pretty 50/50 on when I sided with him by Savanna I was losing patience.
Kenny apologist downvotes incoming.
Besides, why WOULD you risk your own life to save an old asshole like Larry, who's also left you for dead and wanted to kill a kid because he was dirty?
It's the right thing to do. There was a possible chance to save someones life at the risk of yours and Kenny would've rather crushed his hea… mored with a saltlick. It all depends on your point of view. I saw what Kenny did as pretty fucked up, but others would say he saved their lives.
I understand, that he had to kill Larry, since he was going to turn. The thing I don't like is that he treats me like an asshole just, because I didn't want Clem to see me as a murder.
Which causes him to see your actions as you not doing what it takes to save others. Kenny didn't want to have to do it either, but he knew it had to be done, and ended up making the hard decision in order to save everyone.
I don't hate him for 'that', but I hate him for having grudge on Lee after Lee didn't approve it. Killing someone because of imminent danger can happen when you're desperate, but demanding support about it is too much.
Because Kenny murdered someone who could've been saved, and never, ever, ever, ever, ever lets it go. He brings it up to Lee or whines to Lee about it in every single episode afterward if Lee chooses not to help him.
Kenny may be decently cool in Season 2, but too many people forget just how much of a whiny bitch he was in Season 1 if you didn't constantly agree with him as Lee.
All this discussion about Kenny and how he's able to provoke so many different emotional responses from people is why I think he's one of th… moree best characters in this game. He's definitely the character I've had the most ups and downs with over the entire story so far. I hated him for being a dick to me for not helping to kill Larry, I've agreed on some of his decisions and disagreed with others. We've been through the worst together, even tried to save someone he hated (although we know the real reason behind that), and he's been there for the most part so I trust him.
The one thing that's consistent with me about Kenny is that even though I may agree with some of his choices, I don't like the way he's goes about doing them. He's the man with ideas but never the man with the plan, so that's why it's up to us to help steer him in the right direction.
Heart attack is tricky thing, you 'might' have saved him with CPR. and think about killing a father in front of the daughter.....
you can't ask support about it. Even if it was right decision.
Which causes him to see your actions as you not doing what it takes to save others. Kenny didn't want to have to do it either, but he knew it had to be done, and ended up making the hard decision in order to save everyone.
The thing is, Kenny didn't want to do it probably any more than you did. But it had to be done. Not helping him because you were not comfortable with the idea could be seen as a selfish decision (again, because Kenny wasn't comfortable with it either but knew what had to be done).
Heart attack is tricky thing, you 'might' have saved him with CPR. and think about killing a father in front of the daughter.....
you can't ask support about it. Even if it was right decision.
How many times does it need to be said, Larry couldn't have ever been saved. CPR doesn't just cure heart attacks right away, you need the right equipment to revive him.
Because Kenny murdered someone who could've been saved, and never, ever, ever, ever, ever lets it go. He brings it up to Lee or whines to Le… moree about it in every single episode afterward if Lee chooses not to help him.
Kenny may be decently cool in Season 2, but too many people forget just how much of a whiny bitch he was in Season 1 if you didn't constantly agree with him as Lee.
Because Kenny murdered someone who could've been saved, and never, ever, ever, ever, ever lets it go. He brings it up to Lee or whines to Le… moree about it in every single episode afterward if Lee chooses not to help him.
Kenny may be decently cool in Season 2, but too many people forget just how much of a whiny bitch he was in Season 1 if you didn't constantly agree with him as Lee.
How many times does it need to be said, Larry couldn't have ever been saved. CPR doesn't just cure heart attacks right away, you need the right equipment to revive him.
Actually, in my playthrough I was far from being a wuss. Not only did I kill any who opposed me, I even taught Clem to be just as merciless. I just refused to kill a man without proof he couldn't be saved. Larry may have been rude and a total jerk, but he was still part of our group. And I never kill anyone of the group without cause.
"[B]ut maybe in your next playthough..."
And, maybe next time you reply, you should learn to spell "through" correctly.
Not killing Larry= "giant pussy"
Lemoncakes= "giant pussy" username
Nah, I like Rick because he's selfish. I don't care that Kenny puts his family first, I just can't stand fickle people. Kenny acts big and bad, but he's not. Rick, on the other hand, admits that he's pretending, at times. He admits he had no faith in saving humanity, but he pretended for everyone else. Kenny can't admit he's pretending when he goes around all redneck, bad boy. In any case, neither of them come close to being about as real as Daryl.
That man...
I would sacrifice myself if it meant I could protect him. [Lol, not really.]
Yea I think so I can't remember the exact wording of it but the point is he is a lot worse then Kenny when it comes to this topic maybe rick doesn't get any hate cause the people who hate on kenny only watch the tv show I don't know
How many times does it need to be said, a lot of people who dislike Kenny dislike him not for what he did to Larry, but for being an unreasonable jerk for not agreeing with him ONE time.
How many times does it need to be said, Larry couldn't have ever been saved. CPR doesn't just cure heart attacks right away, you need the right equipment to revive him.
If Kenny got mad for Lee accusing him of murder, that'd be fine. Except he doesn't. All Lee does is help try to revive Larry. He never even brings it up to Kenny unless the player chooses to. Kenny, on the other hand, goes out of his way to yell at Lee over it.
I've talked about this a million and one times... I don't think i'll bother saying it again, but I never really hated Kenny for it. It was distasteful, yes, but I don't hate him.
If Kenny got mad for Lee accusing him of murder, that'd be fine. Except he doesn't. All Lee does is help try to revive Larry. He never even … morebrings it up to Kenny unless the player chooses to. Kenny, on the other hand, goes out of his way to yell at Lee over it.
Because it's the right fucking thing to do. By leaving him to die, is just seeping down to his level, and I don't know about you, but that's an area that I'd prefer not to go into.
Besides, why WOULD you risk your own life to save an old asshole like Larry, who's also left you for dead and wanted to kill a kid because he was dirty?
So it's understandable that Kenny would be a huge jerk to Lee because he made him "look like a murderer" by trying to revive Larry? How does that action equal to "Lee portraying Kenny as a murderer"? If anything, Kenny murdering someone made him look like a murderer (justified or not). That argument makes even less sense if you choose to help neither Kenny or Lilly, since Kenny STILL gets super pissed at you.
Obviously if you don't support Kenny's actions, you're siding with Lilly.. and Lilly considers Kenny's actions to be murder.
I mean, if you're not backing up the guy in his actions, no one is. Sooo he just looks like a murderer.
There was a chance, but that chance was pretty small. There was only a small window of opportunity to save Larry before reanimation, and it was arguably all used up before Kenny ended up crushing his head.
Lol what is honestly so hard to understand about this?
By you not supporting him in his actions of "killing" Larry, you're obviously not on board with his decision making. If you're not on board with his decision making, then that means you consider his actions to be murder. If you don't consider his actions to be murderous, you would have been helping the guy in the first place.
The point is, Kenny really needed support in doing what he did. He didn't want to do what he did, but he knew it had to be done. Basically you're making the guy make an incredibly hard choice by himself, then making that guy look like a villain by not supporting him. On top of that, not helping him could be seen as a selfish decision.
What?
So it's understandable that Kenny would be a huge jerk to Lee because he made him "look like a murderer" by trying to revive Larr… morey? How does that action equal to "Lee portraying Kenny as a murderer"? If anything, Kenny murdering someone made him look like a murderer (justified or not). That argument makes even less sense if you choose to help neither Kenny or Lilly, since Kenny STILL gets super pissed at you.
Lily needed the support too. What makes Kenny so much better than Lily?
In Episode 2 terms, of course, before she goes off the deep end on Carley, or steals the RV after accidentally killing Doug. Lily deserved equal support. Kenny wasn't the special snowflake of the group.
Too often Kenny fans seem to think that "If the decision goes against Kenny, then it's a selfish/wrong/evil decision." That's not the case and never has been.
Lol what is honestly so hard to understand about this?
By you not supporting him in his actions of "killing" Larry, you're obviously no… moret on board with his decision making. If you're not on board with his decision making, then that means you consider his actions to be murder. If you don't consider his actions to be murderous, you would have been helping the guy in the first place.
The point is, Kenny really needed support in doing what he did. He didn't want to do what he did, but he knew it had to be done. Basically you're making the guy make an incredibly hard choice by himself, then making that guy look like a villain by not supporting him. On top of that, not helping him could be seen as a selfish decision.
This has nothing to do with Lilly. We're simply talking about Kenny here, and why he would be pissed off for you not helping him. You need to try and see things from his point of view.
Lily needed the support too. What makes Kenny so much better than Lily?
In Episode 2 terms, of course, before she goes off the deep end… more on Carley, or steals the RV after accidentally killing Doug. Lily deserved equal support. Kenny wasn't the special snowflake of the group.
Too often Kenny fans seem to think that "If the decision goes against Kenny, then it's a selfish/wrong/evil decision." That's not the case and never has been.
Because it's the right fucking thing to do. By leaving him to die, is just seeping down to his level, and I don't know about you, but that's an area that I'd prefer not to go into.
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Anyway, I still say that Larry was dead. There was no way he was walking out of there. Anyone who doesn't believe me has watched too many Hollywoody CPR scenes.
I liked Larry. Some people may of took him out because they hated his character but I am one of the few people who shown extreme respect for the old man and I could see where he was coming from. I didn't help Kenny because he wanted me to have his back, I didn't kill Larry because I dislike him. I helped finish off Larry because it had to be done.
The most reasonable action would be the best one which wasn't influenced by emotions.
I'm saying that I do understand WHY Kenny did it, but I don't think that makes it the right thing to do in any way, nor was it a logical action, it was an emotional one. Just like when Lilly shoots Carley.
I too have taken a CPR class and also both my parents are doctors. Trust me, in real life, without medical assistance Larry would NOT have walked out of there.
CPR is important, but not as magical as Hollywood would have you believe. Look it up if you don't believe me.
You wouldn't even administer CPR unless the victim was in cardiac arrest (which Larry was, since he wasn't breathing and was unconscious), at which point CPR alone isn't gonna get him up and walking anyway.
Kenny may be decently cool in Season 2, but too many people forget just how much of a whiny bitch he was in Season 1 if you didn't constantly agree with him as Lee.
you can't ask support about it. Even if it was right decision.
"[B]ut maybe in your next playthough..."
And, maybe next time you reply, you should learn to spell "through" correctly.
Not killing Larry= "giant pussy"
Lemoncakes= "giant pussy" username
That man...
I would sacrifice myself if it meant I could protect him. [Lol, not really.]
I mean, if you're not backing up the guy in his actions, no one is. Sooo he just looks like a murderer.
So it's understandable that Kenny would be a huge jerk to Lee because he made him "look like a murderer" by trying to revive Larry? How does that action equal to "Lee portraying Kenny as a murderer"? If anything, Kenny murdering someone made him look like a murderer (justified or not). That argument makes even less sense if you choose to help neither Kenny or Lilly, since Kenny STILL gets super pissed at you.
By you not supporting him in his actions of "killing" Larry, you're obviously not on board with his decision making. If you're not on board with his decision making, then that means you consider his actions to be murder. If you don't consider his actions to be murderous, you would have been helping the guy in the first place.
The point is, Kenny really needed support in doing what he did. He didn't want to do what he did, but he knew it had to be done. Basically you're making the guy make an incredibly hard choice by himself, then making that guy look like a villain by not supporting him. On top of that, not helping him could be seen as a selfish decision.
but i hate kenny for killing larry
because i wanted to be the one who bash his head with a salt lick
In Episode 2 terms, of course, before she goes off the deep end on Carley, or steals the RV after accidentally killing Doug. Lily deserved equal support. Kenny wasn't the special snowflake of the group.
Too often Kenny fans seem to think that "If the decision goes against Kenny, then it's a selfish/wrong/evil decision." That's not the case and never has been.
This has nothing to do with Lilly. We're simply talking about Kenny here, and why he would be pissed off for you not helping him. You need to try and see things from his point of view.