Seriouly, just accept that Kenny is the second most important character on TWD. As much as I like the Cabin Group, they are being slowly replaced by other people mid-season; just see how many people we added to the group on the last two episodes: Mike, Jane, Bonnie, Kenny, Sarita and probably Eddie on the near future.
Season 2's concept is totally different than S1's, it's not about having a definitive group and end up alone at the ending, this time, most of the people are replaceable.
Don't expect more development beyond Clem, Kenny, Luke, Sarah and Nick.
It *is* indeed Clem's story, but we should not feel this level of... apathy towards the most important unit in TWD, which is the group. Without a well developed group, I dare say TWD as a whole would not work as well as it does.
One of the reviews says:
" Plenty of important things happen and there’s a lot of action, but none of it carries the weight that it should. Instead, “In Harm’s Way” is mostly a bullet point list of zombie-story cliches without many of the excellent character interactions we’ve come to expect from Telltale. It’s certainly troubling when characters get killed and the only thing you feel is indifference. "
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Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Rebecca is a very important part of the plot this present moment and time and regardless whether you like the man or not so is Kenny. Sarita is bitten or fatally wounded so of course there are going to be moments centered around her and Kenny along side Rebecca handling the situation with the baby.
I'm holding out for that choice also, God knows it would be hell to be stuck with Luke much like people who don't like Kenny would feel the same way if they were stuck with him. The Luke / Kenny choice really opens up new doors to improve our TWD experience.
And yeah, if Luke would stop taking his fuckin' hikes I'm sure things would go much smoother.
I think Episode 4 is going to have even more Kenny, because of what happened to Sarita and how he is going to handle it.
Although some of … morethe spotlight might go to Rebecca, she is obviously going to have her baby this episode.
Some of your points are valid, but I'm just holding out hope for a Kenny or Luke choice in Episode 5. I don't want to be stuck with Luke for another whole season. (I don't like people who hide in the bushes until it's safe, Luke can take a hike and stay on it for the rest of the season for all I care)
Except that I DID want them to bring him back for Season 2 before they killed him for real. He's basically the only one who could connect us with the entirety of Season 1 due to how many characters Telltale killed off. He was the only one besides Clem who was in all five Episodes that's still alive. I feel that he's gotten enough focus in Season 2 now, and that Episode 4 would be a good time for them to take him out of the picture. I'll be annoyed as well if he doesn't bite the dust before the end of the Season.
Totally this. They didn't need to bring his character back in the first place, Kenny's role could have been done by just about anyone.
… moreI thought his first "death" was a very fitting end to his character arc, with him risking himself to save the others. At this point they are placing him on a pedestal and making him a creators pet (as well as fan pandering).
If he doesn't die this season it's going to really annoy me.
Thanks man, the point I was trying to get across was whether you like it or not Kenny is an extremely important character in both seasons, and you summed it up perfectly.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Rebecca is a very important part of the plot this present moment and time and regardless whether you like the m… morean or not so is Kenny. Sarita is bitten or fatally wounded so of course there are going to be moments centered around her and Kenny along side Rebecca handling the situation with the baby.
I'm holding out for that choice also, God knows it would be hell to be stuck with Luke much like people who don't like Kenny would feel the same way if they were stuck with him. The Luke / Kenny choice really opens up new doors to improve our TWD experience.
And yeah, if Luke would stop taking his fuckin' hikes I'm sure things would go much smoother.
Well like TheCygi said it wasn't quite that universal. However, it's funny how it seems people are conveniently forgetting how much hate was foisted on the cabin group for either: the shed incident, why Christa and Omid were written off early, or my favorite, "Luke is being forced on us". Yeah...I imagine it's a bit of a task for Telltale to know which complaints to focus on sometimes.
Who else are you going to have that strong connection with?
Luke keeps vanishing all the time.
Rebecca and Clem haven't had enough screen time to build a strong connection
Nick was barely in episode 3
Sarah seems an obvious choice
Jane is only new same with Mike
Bonnie is new as well and some people chose to hate her.
Seriously, none of the new characters can stand up against Kenny, i like Nick and Mike but Kenny is miles ahead but that's because his relationship with the playable character was built better then Season 2's characters.
You can't blame Kenny for telltale's poor execution on Season 2's character development.
The problem is, that they built the relationships of characters in season 1 perfect but Season 2 they just seemed to slack off a bit.
Pete and Clem had a good connection, but then they killed him off. Clem seemed to get on with Nick (If you side with him) but then he gets what 5 minutes screen time in episode 3?
I wouldn't say that.
In the second half, you can save Nick's life by convincing Walter his a good person. Then you can try and protect Alvin and the group, so that's adding respect to the group + you can choose to sit with Luke instead of Kenny.
Again, it's not Kenny's fault they did Luke so poorly in episode 3. Having Kenny being beaten to a pulp by Carver was a good thing because they know a lot of people would get pissed by it. People would react more seeing Kenny get beat then Luke.
It all depends on how Kenny's character develops in the next episode (or two). I've always felt like Kenny represented the chaotic neutral of the alignment system. But everytime I think TellTale has an interesting morally ambiguous character, they give him this heroic aura and say " no, he is a DEFINITE good." And I don't get that.
But whatever you do, don't show any resilience towards Kenny's character whatsoever, or all of his "loyalists" will forever see as an enemy.
I absolutely fell in love with cabin crew in A House Divided. I actually started caring for them more than Kenny, which was a great revival of ITYWD...but, you know, I'm not a great Kenneth fan.
In this episode, I started to care for Sarah more, she got some spotlight, but...what about pessimistic Nick who has great story? Nope. Sorreh. Not diz time. We apologize. What about Luke, who was great towards Clem? Well, he...um...okay, he was kinda important in this episode.
Alvin was just gone in Carver's office, but his death made me shed a tear.
Carlos death...You know, it just seemed like he had to be shot, so Sarah can cease to function in a middle of the herd. Still ''shed'' a tear though.
Sarita...She almost hadn't a development. We know this much about her: She loves Kenny. She has accent. Her family didn't celebrate Christmas. But looks like TTG will develop her now when she got bitten. Great timing, guys.....
I miss Nick Breckon who wrote A House Divided. He made me hate cabin group in episode 1 and love them in episode 2......
I was hoping that if Clem didn't speak up about the radio Luke would get beat up, and if you choose to speak then Kenny gets beat up. I felt that TT should have made this a major decision.
You can't blame Kenny for telltale's poor execution on Season 2's character development.
The problem is, that they built the relationships… more of characters in season 1 perfect but Season 2 they just seemed to slack off a bit.
Pete and Clem had a good connection, but then they killed him off. Clem seemed to get on with Nick (If you side with him) but then he gets what 5 minutes screen time in episode 3?
I wouldn't say that.
In the second half, you can save Nick's life by convincing Walter his a good person. Then you can try and protect Alvin and the group, so that's adding respect to the group + you can choose to sit with Luke instead of Kenny.
Again, it's not Kenny's fault they did Luke so poorly in episode 3. Having Kenny being beaten to a pulp by Carver was a good thing because they know a lot of people would get pissed by it. People would react more seeing Kenny get beat then Luke.
There are Kenny fans (like me) Who don't see everyone who doesn't like Kenny as an "enemy". That's fine because people have different tastes, but what annoys me is people who just slag characters because they hate them. If you hate a character, fine but don't keep bringing them down. Yes, you can your opinion but if people are just going to insult a character, it's better to keep your mouth shut. This is not towards you, just those people who mock characters.
It all depends on how Kenny's character develops in the next episode (or two). I've always felt like Kenny represented the chaotic neutral o… moref the alignment system. But everytime I think TellTale has an interesting morally ambiguous character, they give him this heroic aura and say " no, he is a DEFINITE good." And I don't get that.
But whatever you do, don't show any resilience towards Kenny's character whatsoever, or all of his "loyalists" will forever see as an enemy.
I love Kenny, but I agree that he's getting a little too much of the spotlight. There are so many other great characters with potential, and honestly everyone felt like a background character except for Clem, Kenny, and Carver. I wish there was more balance.
The issue here is that this episode was so story heavy. Before, it was all about moving and character development. Here, it was you're in Carver's camp and you need to get out, the whole episode built up to getting out.
I think Carver's camp showed up too early, we didn't have a proper chance like season one to trust/distrust the HELL out of anyone.
I thought the point was for her to build connections? She might have been able to do that in the past two episodes if there wasn't as much focus on Kenny.
Who else are you going to have that strong connection with?
Luke keeps vanishing all the time.
Rebecca and Clem haven't had enough scree… moren time to build a strong connection
Nick was barely in episode 3
Sarah seems an obvious choice
Jane is only new same with Mike
Bonnie is new as well and some people chose to hate her.
Seriously, none of the new characters can stand up against Kenny, i like Nick and Mike but Kenny is miles ahead but that's because his relationship with the playable character was built better then Season 2's characters.
Really? The whole 15 minutes we got with them in episode one? And maybe another fifteen or so at the start of ep 2 before they got to the ski lodge. I didn't say anything about intimidating, only that Kenny talks so much hardly anyone else gets a word in. I'm sure it's a lot of fun to write for him and play him but I'd like to hear more from the others too.
That doesn't make sense. They had plenty of opportunity to speak up before they even met him. Not to mention characters like Rebecca, Nick and Carlos aren't the types to be intimidated into silence anyway.
She had the chance with Pete in episode 1 where Kenny wasn't in that episode, but they killed him off.
You could build one with Nick but he got piss all screen time because he can be killed in episode 2.
Luke is hard because he keeps vanishing all the time.
It's hard when characters and being killed off or are vanishing.
I thought the point was for her to build connections? She might have been able to do that in the past two episodes if there wasn't as much focus on Kenny.
The cabin group had ~2 episodes worth of time to get themselves attached to the player before Kenny went into the spotlight last episode. Honestly, Kenny being in the spotlight really doesn't have that much to do with it. Even before Kenny went into the spotlight, the cabin group wasn't really doing much to make me feel very attached to them.
Kenny doesn't need to be in the spotlight alone. TellTale can have other characters in that same spotlight at the same time, they simply didn't do it last episode.
I give you these, but you know good ol' Kenny, and you know that he always makes them "rash decisions" as others say, and imho ofc that he said the plan, because Kenny is the only one thinking about escaping, probably because he doesn't know Carvers cruelty as the cabin group does (since they plan on staying as a last choice.) So summing it up I see what you did there, but Kenny is the one rashing these seemingly stupid, but always working plans. Bring the dislike truck.
Understandable. And just to be clear, I don't hate Kenny, I just don't agree with alot of his actions. Although I have argued with a few of his "loyalists" who were a little more than biased toward some of my more negative accusations of him.
There are Kenny fans (like me) Who don't see everyone who doesn't like Kenny as an "enemy". That's fine because people have different tastes… more, but what annoys me is people who just slag characters because they hate them. If you hate a character, fine but don't keep bringing them down. Yes, you can your opinion but if people are just going to insult a character, it's better to keep your mouth shut. This is not towards you, just those people who mock characters.
You're still implying that he was keeping them from speaking. We've seen nothing to indicate this is the case. Quite the opposite, given the arguments he's had with them. Their lack of dialogue or development is not determined by Kenny; there is no story explanation for it. It's just the writer's will.
Really? The whole 15 minutes we got with them in episode one? And maybe another fifteen or so at the start of ep 2 before they got to the s… moreki lodge. I didn't say anything about intimidating, only that Kenny talks so much hardly anyone else gets a word in. I'm sure it's a lot of fun to write for him and play him but I'd like to hear more from the others too.
Understandable. And just to be clear, I don't hate Kenny, I just don't agree with alot of his actions. Although I have argued with a few of his "loyalists" who were a little more than biased toward some of my more negative accusations of him.
Thank you.
And judging by the events, it looks like Jane will be an important character so she might have a lot of screen time. Mike could be the same but i feel his more of the "back part of characters" where he'll be doing minor roles. Pity, because i actually like Mike.
It's not Kenny's fault that telltale didn't develop Season 2's characters well. It's not their fault though because they can only do what telltale creates them to do.
I had good connections with Pete and Nick and one is dead and the other is a determinant character who got almost no screen time in Episode 3. I feel they're also messing around with Luke too much. The guy takes off for most of Episode 3, now his taken off again in episode 4? But i don't trust Luke, i think there is more to him then met's the eye.
The cabin group had ~2 episodes worth of time to get themselves attached to the player before Kenny went into the spotlight last episode. Ho… morenestly, Kenny being in the spotlight really doesn't have that much to do with it. Even before Kenny went into the spotlight, the cabin group wasn't really doing much to make me feel very attached to them.
Kenny doesn't need to be in the spotlight alone. TellTale can have other characters in that same spotlight at the same time, they simply didn't do it last episode.
The truth is, most people and I am saying "most" not all, don't care about the cabin survivors as much as they do for Kenny. Even the haters love to hate him and I think deep down they would be annoyed if Kenny gets killed off at some point. I want to like the cabin survivors but other than Luke and Pete, I've not really cared much for the others.
Kenny's not keeping them from speaking, the writers have given less time to the others and more time to Kenny. That really 'feel inducing' dialogue about Duck in 203 could have been used to spend more time with Nick or Sarita talking about their pasts!
You're still implying that he was keeping them from speaking. We've seen nothing to indicate this is the case. Quite the opposite, given the… more arguments he's had with them. Their lack of dialogue or development is not determined by Kenny; there is no story explanation for it. It's just the writer's will.
I feel like giving Kenny the spotlight in Episode 3 was a cop-out on Telltale's part. Especially since most of the cabin group are way underdeveloped. What bothers me is that instead of providing character development to some of the characters they've been neglecting, they rehashed an already well-written character's story while sidelining the cabin group. What's worse is that most of the cabin group are either dead or MIA. If Telltale doesn't address this problem in Episode 4 then it's over.
I love Kenny, but I agree that he's getting a little too much of the spotlight. There are so many other great characters with potential, and… more honestly everyone felt like a background character except for Clem, Kenny, and Carver. I wish there was more balance.
No argument there. That's what I meant by the writer's will. Kenny can get killed within the first 3 minutes of next episode and that won't guarantee we'll learn more about the others.
Kenny's not keeping them from speaking, the writers have given less time to the others and more time to Kenny. That really 'feel inducing' d… moreialogue about Duck in 203 could have been used to spend more time with Nick or Sarita talking about their pasts!
I don't hate Kenny, quite the opposite I love his character, but if they focus on him again in Episode 4 instead of Luke or the cabin group then I'm going to flip.
Yeah, the writer for 203 was writing a walking dead episode for the first time, dumb move on TellTale's part. He just pushed the plot forward real well, not the character interactions.
No argument there. That's what I meant by the writer's will. Kenny can get killed within the first 3 minutes of next episode and that won't guarantee we'll learn more about the others.
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Season 2's concept is totally different than S1's, it's not about having a definitive group and end up alone at the ending, this time, most of the people are replaceable.
Don't expect more development beyond Clem, Kenny, Luke, Sarah and Nick.
One of the reviews says:
" Plenty of important things happen and there’s a lot of action, but none of it carries the weight that it should. Instead, “In Harm’s Way” is mostly a bullet point list of zombie-story cliches without many of the excellent character interactions we’ve come to expect from Telltale. It’s certainly troubling when characters get killed and the only thing you feel is indifference. "
It should not be like that.
I'm holding out for that choice also, God knows it would be hell to be stuck with Luke much like people who don't like Kenny would feel the same way if they were stuck with him. The Luke / Kenny choice really opens up new doors to improve our TWD experience.
And yeah, if Luke would stop taking his fuckin' hikes I'm sure things would go much smoother.
Luke keeps vanishing all the time.
Rebecca and Clem haven't had enough screen time to build a strong connection
Nick was barely in episode 3
Sarah seems an obvious choice
Jane is only new same with Mike
Bonnie is new as well and some people chose to hate her.
Seriously, none of the new characters can stand up against Kenny, i like Nick and Mike but Kenny is miles ahead but that's because his relationship with the playable character was built better then Season 2's characters.
The problem is, that they built the relationships of characters in season 1 perfect but Season 2 they just seemed to slack off a bit.
Pete and Clem had a good connection, but then they killed him off. Clem seemed to get on with Nick (If you side with him) but then he gets what 5 minutes screen time in episode 3?
I wouldn't say that.
In the second half, you can save Nick's life by convincing Walter his a good person. Then you can try and protect Alvin and the group, so that's adding respect to the group + you can choose to sit with Luke instead of Kenny.
Again, it's not Kenny's fault they did Luke so poorly in episode 3. Having Kenny being beaten to a pulp by Carver was a good thing because they know a lot of people would get pissed by it. People would react more seeing Kenny get beat then Luke.
But whatever you do, don't show any resilience towards Kenny's character whatsoever, or all of his "loyalists" will forever see as an enemy.
In this episode, I started to care for Sarah more, she got some spotlight, but...what about pessimistic Nick who has great story? Nope. Sorreh. Not diz time. We apologize. What about Luke, who was great towards Clem? Well, he...um...okay, he was kinda important in this episode.
Alvin was just gone in Carver's office, but his death made me shed a tear.
Carlos death...You know, it just seemed like he had to be shot, so Sarah can cease to function in a middle of the herd. Still ''shed'' a tear though.
Sarita...She almost hadn't a development. We know this much about her: She loves Kenny. She has accent. Her family didn't celebrate Christmas. But looks like TTG will develop her now when she got bitten. Great timing, guys.....
I miss Nick Breckon who wrote A House Divided. He made me hate cabin group in episode 1 and love them in episode 2......
I think Carver's camp showed up too early, we didn't have a proper chance like season one to trust/distrust the HELL out of anyone.
You could build one with Nick but he got piss all screen time because he can be killed in episode 2.
Luke is hard because he keeps vanishing all the time.
It's hard when characters and being killed off or are vanishing.
Kenny doesn't need to be in the spotlight alone. TellTale can have other characters in that same spotlight at the same time, they simply didn't do it last episode.
Biased? Do tell....
And judging by the events, it looks like Jane will be an important character so she might have a lot of screen time. Mike could be the same but i feel his more of the "back part of characters" where he'll be doing minor roles. Pity, because i actually like Mike.
It's not Kenny's fault that telltale didn't develop Season 2's characters well. It's not their fault though because they can only do what telltale creates them to do.
I had good connections with Pete and Nick and one is dead and the other is a determinant character who got almost no screen time in Episode 3. I feel they're also messing around with Luke too much. The guy takes off for most of Episode 3, now his taken off again in episode 4? But i don't trust Luke, i think there is more to him then met's the eye.