How many times does it need to be said, a lot of people who dislike Kenny dislike him not for what he did to Larry, but for being an unreasonable jerk for not agreeing with him ONE time.
I didn't hate kenny for for killing Larry I hated him for leaving Lee to die after planning to help him defeat Danny if Lee had tried to revive Larry and I hated the guy for how he treated and spoke to Lee afterwards. In other words I hated Kenny mainly because he hated me first.
I can see why he might be pissed off with Lee for not helping him to take Larry out but the fact that he felt Lee deserved to die for the first mistake he would have made of trying to revive Larry makes him pretty similar to Bill Carver and the Governor. In fact Carver didn't even kill Reggie for making one mistake, he felt Reggie fucked up numerously.
Kenny leaving Lee to die at Danny's hands in the barn in episode 2, leaving Lee to die by the hand of walkers in the drugstore in episode 3 and leaving Lee to die at the hands of Molly in episode 4 is all the reason I need for disliking the guy, that shit was inexcusable.
Lets say Lee fucked up and made a mistake in the meat locker, he didn't deserve to die for it. They survived the dairy farm, kenny should have let that shit go and moved on from it but he still resented Lee even after Lee saved his wife and if that isn't bad enough he initially refuses to help Lee search for Clem because as he puts it Lee wasn't always there for him, referring to the meat locker incident, to which even the new comer Christa scolds him for.
Totally 100% missed the point.
This has nothing to do with Lilly. We're simply talking about Kenny here, and why he would be pissed off for you not helping him. You need to try and see things from his point of view.
Hey, as long as you can see why the guy would be pissed off at you, I don't really care. I'm simply talking about why Kenny acts so pissy with you if you don't help him out in the meat locker.
Everything else is pretty much based on opinion. I can totally understand why he leaves Lee to fend for himself in the events proceeding the meat locker. Lee didn't try to help save Kenny and everyone else in the meat locker, so why should Kenny go out of his way to save Lee? Lee made Kenny fend for himself, so Kenny is returning the favor. It's that eye for an eye type of justice that Kenny seems to follow. Some people have a problem with that, some don't.
I can see why he might be pissed off with Lee for not helping him to take Larry out but the fact that he felt Lee deserved to die for the fi… morerst mistake he would have made of trying to revive Larry makes him pretty similar to Bill Carver and the Governor. In fact Carver didn't even kill Reggie for making one mistake, he felt Reggie fucked up numerously.
Kenny leaving Lee to die at Danny's hands in the barn in episode 2, leaving Lee to die by the hand of walkers in the drugstore in episode 3 and leaving Lee to die at the hands of Molly in episode 4 is all the reason I need for disliking the guy, that shit was inexcusable.
Lets say Lee fucked up and made a mistake in the meat locker, he didn't deserve to die for it. They survived the dairy farm, kenny should have let that shit go and moved on from it but he still resented Lee even after Lee saved his wife and if that isn't bad enough he initially refuses to help Lee search for Clem b… [view original content]
The people of crawford, Carver, the governor and Kenny have one thing in common. None of them tolerate mistakes. Kenny hated Lee and left him to die numerously because he was angry that Lee made a decision to try and revive Larry in the meat locker. Should Lee have sided with Kenny? That is debatable. At the very least Lee made a mistake and Kenny never forgave Lee for making it, in fact his resentment put Lee at risk countless times after the meat locker incident.
It's kind of weird how Telltale never put any dialogue options in there to have you confront Kenny on whatever issues he was having. I mean.. maybe if the two of them simply talked it out..
The people of crawford, Carver, the governor and Kenny have one thing in common. None of them tolerate mistakes. Kenny hated Lee and left … morehim to die numerously because he was angry that Lee made a decision to try and revive Larry in the meat locker. Should Lee have sided with Kenny? That is debatable. At the very least Lee made a mistake and Kenny never forgave Lee for making it, in fact his resentment put Lee at risk countless times after the meat locker incident.
Loyalty is very important to Kenny and he values it greatly. By him saying "Would you put your life on the line" in episode 4 I think he mig… moreht of been referring to his reputation and outlook the group had on him. Kenny was viewed as a kind of antagonist by mostly everyone, Lee, Lilly even his wife Katjaa if you left him alone on taking care of Larry. This would really effect someone that was just trying to keep everyone safe. I killed Larry in the meat locker and I do believe he was alive but I wasn't willing to take the risk, only 5-10% of people will successfully be resurrected by CPR without the use of medical equipment. It can only stabilize the heart. We don't know how long it would take for him to turn and there was no pulse or breathing this means no oxygen to the brain, that was not a risk that we could take in such and enclosed space with a man of that size.He could knock Kenny and Lee down in one punch. Imagine a man that size forci… [view original content]
"He brings it up to Lee or whines to Lee about it in every single episode afterward if Lee chooses not to help him.
I was merely pointing out that everyone seems to be ignoring this part of his comment, which is a completely valid complaint.
Has almost nothing to do with what the guy was saying. Read the post he was replying to..
He was responding directly to: "Because Kenny murdered someone who COULD'VE been saved"
Kenny smashed a guy's brains out on the suspicion he might turn. Sheer suspicion. Kenny wasn't "trying to save everyone in the locker", he was jumping to conclusions and taking rash actions.
Hey, as long as you can see why the guy would be pissed off at you, I don't really care. I'm simply talking about why Kenny acts so pissy wi… moreth you if you don't help him out in the meat locker.
Everything else is pretty much based on opinion. I can totally understand why he leaves Lee to fend for himself in the events proceeding the meat locker. Lee didn't try to help save Kenny and everyone else in the meat locker, so why should Kenny go out of his way to save Lee? Lee made Kenny fend for himself, so Kenny is returning the favor. It's that eye for an eye type of justice that Kenny seems to follow. Some people have a problem with that, some don't.
Perhaps Kenny should have gone out of his way to save Lee because Lee saved Kenny and his family multiples times before depending on player choices? I'd like to point out that most people who dislike Kenny are people who both saved Duck and consistently looked out for his family beforehand, only to be left for dead by the man whose family they protected for not helping him ONE time. As Lee says "You're gonna let a little girl die, just because I didn't have your back every damn minute!? Maybe you should grow the fuck up!"
As long as you can see why some people would be pissed at Kenny and consider his actions as unjustified overreactions...
Hey, as long as you can see why the guy would be pissed off at you, I don't really care. I'm simply talking about why Kenny acts so pissy wi… moreth you if you don't help him out in the meat locker.
Everything else is pretty much based on opinion. I can totally understand why he leaves Lee to fend for himself in the events proceeding the meat locker. Lee didn't try to help save Kenny and everyone else in the meat locker, so why should Kenny go out of his way to save Lee? Lee made Kenny fend for himself, so Kenny is returning the favor. It's that eye for an eye type of justice that Kenny seems to follow. Some people have a problem with that, some don't.
He was trying to save everyone's life. That was clearly the entire point. You're being impossible. Seriously, what other reason would he want to prevent Larry from turning?
His actions were not rash, they were the opposite of rash. Trying to revive Larry before reanimation when there was only a small chance that he could have been revived anyway is what is rash.
Kenny smashed a guy's brains out on the suspicion he might turn. Sheer suspicion. Kenny wasn't "trying to save everyone in the locker", he was jumping to conclusions and taking rash actions.
It's kind of weird how Telltale never put any dialogue options in there to have you confront Kenny on whatever issues he was having. I mean.. maybe if the two of them simply talked it out..
Perhaps Kenny should have gone out of his way to save Lee because Lee saved Kenny and his family multiples times before depending on player … morechoices? I'd like to point out that most people who dislike Kenny are people who both saved Duck and consistently looked out for his family beforehand, only to be left for dead by the man whose family they protected for not helping him ONE time. As Lee says "You're gonna let a little girl die, just because I didn't have your back every damn minute!? Maybe you should grow the fuck up!"
As long as you can see why some people would be pissed at Kenny and consider his actions as unjustified overreactions...
It's a matter of opinion whether or not it's justified to LEAVE SOMEONE TO DIE for not agreeing with you one time? I have to respectfully disagree; it's completely unjustified and just makes Kenny an asshole.
You're over simplifying it. Kenny isn't leaving you to fend for yourself just because of the simple idea that you disagreed with him, he is leaving you to fend for yourself because you did the exact same thing to him.
It's a matter of opinion whether or not it's justified to LEAVE SOMEONE TO DIE for not agreeing with you one time? I have to respectfully disagree; it's completely unjustified and just makes Kenny an asshole.
Despite the fact that Lee saved Kenny and his family multiple times before and after the incident, which is what makes it unjustifiable. Not to mention, literally standing and watching someone about to get shot/eaten by walkers is not "the exact same thing" as not helping crushing a man's head. In the former situations, Lee was in a life-threatening situation and would have almost surely died if Kenny/Lilly hadn't intervened, while in the latter, the situation was not nearly as dangerous in that Kenny did not need ANY help from Lee to neutralize the threat.
In other words, Kenny definitely didn't need Lee's help to kill Larry, while Lee damn well needed Kenny's help to survive. Disproportionate retribution much?
You're over simplifying it. Kenny isn't leaving you to fend for yourself just because of the simple idea that you disagreed with him, he is leaving you to fend for yourself because you did the exact same thing to him.
I think it's more on the line that people hated Kenny's attitude if you didn't aid him killing Larry. Like you save Duck, defended him at the pharmacy, fed him and possibly Kenny and because I didn't want to smash Larry's face in I'm apparently "fucking worthless".
I hate that if dont try to kill Larry,Kenny will become a pussy and he wont even try to save you from Danny or the walkers later.I saved his son from walkers and Larry in episode one,but if i didnt agree with him for killing a man,he thinks im an asshole WTF?
In Kenny's point of view (and mine as well) the group was in a very dangerous life threatening situation in the meat locker. It was an extremely dangerous situation. By not helping Kenny, you're making him save his own life (and everyone else).
Comparing the difficulty of the situations is completely irrelevant anyway. Either you're helping to save someone's life or you're not.
Despite the fact that Lee saved Kenny and his family multiple times before and after the incident, which is what makes it unjustifiable. Not… more to mention, literally standing and watching someone about to get shot/eaten by walkers is not "the exact same thing" as not helping crushing a man's head. In the former situations, Lee was in a life-threatening situation and would have almost surely died if Kenny/Lilly hadn't intervened, while in the latter, the situation was not nearly as dangerous in that Kenny did not need ANY help from Lee to neutralize the threat.
In other words, Kenny definitely didn't need Lee's help to kill Larry, while Lee damn well needed Kenny's help to survive. Disproportionate retribution much?
We have no idea what heart condition he had. If he needed nitro, then it's POSSIBLE that his condition, if untreated, would lead to afib, which is neigh irrecoverable without an AED or Defibrillator. He may not have been dead yet, but it was only a matter of minutes. CPR doesn't stop afib.
Because nobody knew if he was going to die or not. Nobody checked his pulse IIRC, and it wasn't definitive that he was actually dead. I love… more Kenny, but it exemplifies how rash he is in his decisions, and then if you don't help him with killing Larry he pretty much holds it over your head for the rest of the game.
It is most definitely relevant. In the meat locker, Lee's inaction was absolutely no hindrance to Kenny saving everyone by killing Larry. In the case with Danny/the pharmacy, Kenny's inaction would have directly led to Lee's death had Lilly not intervened/Lee had super strength.
In Kenny's point of view (and mine as well) the group was in a very dangerous life threatening situation in the meat locker. It was an extre… moremely dangerous situation. By not helping Kenny, you're making him save his own life (and everyone else).
Comparing the difficulty of the situations is completely irrelevant anyway. Either you're helping to save someone's life or you're not.
You're not getting the point. I'm not even going to touch on the fact that Lee's inaction in the meat locker is in fact a hindrance because it doesn't even matter. The point is that Lee did NOTHING to help save Kenny's life. So later on when Lee needs help to potentially save his own life, Kenny does NOTHING to save his life in return.
It is most definitely relevant. In the meat locker, Lee's inaction was absolutely no hindrance to Kenny saving everyone by killing Larry. In… more the case with Danny/the pharmacy, Kenny's inaction would have directly led to Lee's death had Lilly not intervened/Lee had super strength.
My point is that Lee doing nothing to help Kenny didn't jeopardize his life, while Kenny doing nothing would have DIRECTLY caused Lee's death, which is why Kenny's action is completely disproportionate retribution.
You're not getting the point. I'm not even going to touch on the fact that Lee's inaction in the meat locker is in fact a hindrance because … moreit doesn't even matter. The point is that Lee did NOTHING to help save Kenny's life. So later on when Lee needs help to potentially save his own life, Kenny does NOTHING to save his life in return.
When did Bill come into the equation? The stuff he did was fuckin' inhumane. I'm not trying to justify anything he did I'm just saying how Kenny did what he had to do in a situation like this not because he could.
But why even bring that up? It has nothing to do with it. Kenny needed help, Lee didn't give it to him. Lee needed help, Kenny didn't give it to him. It's as simple as that.
I understand what you're trying to say, but it does not directly relate to what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about who jeopardized who's life here, that is a totally different discussion.
My point is that Lee doing nothing to help Kenny didn't jeopardize his life, while Kenny doing nothing would have DIRECTLY caused Lee's death, which is why Kenny's action is completely disproportionate retribution.
It's completely relevant because the discussion is about why people dislike Kenny after the meat locker incident. Kenny COULD HAVE USED SOME ASSISTANCE, Lee didn't give it to him. Lee DAMN WELL NEEDED HELP, Kenny didn't give it to him. Simple as that.
Someone asked why people hate Kenny, and that's one very common and justified reason.
But why even bring that up? It has nothing to do with it. Kenny needed help, Lee didn't give it to him. Lee needed help, Kenny didn't give i… moret to him. It's as simple as that.
I understand what you're trying to say, but it does not directly relate to what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about who jeopardized who's life here, that is a totally different discussion.
Not sure if you remember what we're debating here or what, but I already stated that I understand why people hate Kenny for his actions of not helping Lee. We have been through this already. From there I said that it was a matter of opinion though, to which you disagreed. You didn't think Kenny's actions were justifiable in any sort of way. That is what we have been debating for the last several posts now.
Your counter arguments were then irrelevant to the reasoning I was giving you, for reasons I explained above.
It's completely relevant because the discussion is about why people dislike Kenny after the meat locker incident. Kenny COULD HAVE USED SOME… more ASSISTANCE, Lee didn't give it to him. Lee DAMN WELL NEEDED HELP, Kenny didn't give it to him. Simple as that.
Someone asked why people hate Kenny, and that's one very common and justified reason.
Either way, my posts were both explaining why people dislike Kenny AND why I see his actions as unjustifiable because those things are more or less one in the same, and thus completely on topic.
So are you saying you think Kenny's reaction justified then? Of course, while keeping in mind that Kenny COULD HAVE USED SOME ASSISTANCE, which Lee didn't give, and Lee DAMN WELL NEEDED HELP, which Kenny didn't give.
Not sure if you remember what we're debating here or what, but I already stated that I understand why people hate Kenny for his actions of n… moreot helping Lee. We have been through this already. From there I said that it was a matter of opinion though, to which you disagreed. You didn't think Kenny's actions were justifiable in any sort of way. That is what we have been debating for the last several posts now.
Your counter arguments were then irrelevant to the reasoning I was giving you, for reasons I explained above.
Except there kind of was a dialogue option...
-Lee: "You're not a bad man Kenny, but fuck, what the hell are we gonna do now?"
-Kenny ignores Lee and walks away.
Doesn't seem like Kenny was willing to talk things out :(
If those things were more or less one in the same I wouldn't be here having this conversation with you ;)
Not sure why you're asking me whether or not I think his actions were justified. I mean.. not sure what you think we have been talking about for the last 23423423 posts in a row now.
Either way, my posts were both explaining why people dislike Kenny AND why I see his actions as unjustifiable because those things are more … moreor less one in the same, and thus completely on topic.
So are you saying you think Kenny's reaction justified then? Of course, while keeping in mind that Kenny COULD HAVE USED SOME ASSISTANCE, which Lee didn't give, and Lee DAMN WELL NEEDED HELP, which Kenny didn't give.
I'm just asking because the reason you think Kenny was justified is that "Kenny not helping Lee is the exact same thing as Lee not helping Kenny", to which I pointed out that, no, it is not the same at all.
If those things were more or less one in the same I wouldn't be here having this conversation with you ;)
Not sure why you're asking me… more whether or not I think his actions were justified. I mean.. not sure what you think we have been talking about for the last 23423423 posts in a row now.
It is though. Like I said above; "I'm not talking about who jeopardized who's life here, that is a totally different discussion."
Though if you REALLY wanted to get into that, it can absolutely be argued that Lee was jeopardizing Kenny's life by not helping him in the meat locker.
I'm just asking because the reason you think Kenny was justified is that "Kenny not helping Lee is the exact same thing as Lee not helping Kenny", to which I pointed out that, no, it is not the same at all.
Who jeopardized who's life is relevant because it can be argued that Kenny almost got Lee killed with his inaction while Lee's inaction had little bearing on what happened, which is why people dislike him.
So how was Lee not helping in the meat locker the same as Kenny sitting around and watching Lee about to get shot/eaten the same thing? Again, Kenny COULD HAVE USED SOME ASSISTANCE, and Lee didn't give it to him. Lee NEEDED HELP IF HE WANTED TO NOT DIE, and Kenny didn't give it to him
It is though. Like I said above; "I'm not talking about who jeopardized who's life here, that is a totally different discussion."
Thoug… moreh if you REALLY wanted to get into that, it can absolutely be argued that Lee was jeopardizing Kenny's life by not helping him in the meat locker.
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He was responding directly to: "Because Kenny murdered someone who COULD'VE been saved"
Kenny leaving Lee to die at Danny's hands in the barn in episode 2, leaving Lee to die by the hand of walkers in the drugstore in episode 3 and leaving Lee to die at the hands of Molly in episode 4 is all the reason I need for disliking the guy, that shit was inexcusable.
Lets say Lee fucked up and made a mistake in the meat locker, he didn't deserve to die for it. They survived the dairy farm, kenny should have let that shit go and moved on from it but he still resented Lee even after Lee saved his wife and if that isn't bad enough he initially refuses to help Lee search for Clem because as he puts it Lee wasn't always there for him, referring to the meat locker incident, to which even the new comer Christa scolds him for.
Everything else is pretty much based on opinion. I can totally understand why he leaves Lee to fend for himself in the events proceeding the meat locker. Lee didn't try to help save Kenny and everyone else in the meat locker, so why should Kenny go out of his way to save Lee? Lee made Kenny fend for himself, so Kenny is returning the favor. It's that eye for an eye type of justice that Kenny seems to follow. Some people have a problem with that, some don't.
I don't Kenny, but that doesn't mean I have to like him, does it?
I was merely pointing out that everyone seems to be ignoring this part of his comment, which is a completely valid complaint.
As long as you can see why some people would be pissed at Kenny and consider his actions as unjustified overreactions...
His actions were not rash, they were the opposite of rash. Trying to revive Larry before reanimation when there was only a small chance that he could have been revived anyway is what is rash.
-Lee: "You're not a bad man Kenny, but fuck, what the hell are we gonna do now?"
-Kenny ignores Lee and walks away.
Doesn't seem like Kenny was willing to talk things out :(
In other words, Kenny definitely didn't need Lee's help to kill Larry, while Lee damn well needed Kenny's help to survive. Disproportionate retribution much?
Comparing the difficulty of the situations is completely irrelevant anyway. Either you're helping to save someone's life or you're not.
I understand what you're trying to say, but it does not directly relate to what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about who jeopardized who's life here, that is a totally different discussion.
Someone asked why people hate Kenny, and that's one very common and justified reason.
Your counter arguments were then irrelevant to the reasoning I was giving you, for reasons I explained above.
So are you saying you think Kenny's reaction justified then? Of course, while keeping in mind that Kenny COULD HAVE USED SOME ASSISTANCE, which Lee didn't give, and Lee DAMN WELL NEEDED HELP, which Kenny didn't give.
Not sure why you're asking me whether or not I think his actions were justified. I mean.. not sure what you think we have been talking about for the last 23423423 posts in a row now.
Though if you REALLY wanted to get into that, it can absolutely be argued that Lee was jeopardizing Kenny's life by not helping him in the meat locker.
So how was Lee not helping in the meat locker the same as Kenny sitting around and watching Lee about to get shot/eaten the same thing? Again, Kenny COULD HAVE USED SOME ASSISTANCE, and Lee didn't give it to him. Lee NEEDED HELP IF HE WANTED TO NOT DIE, and Kenny didn't give it to him