A way to make the S2 characters more likeable in ep 4 & 5

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
This is obviously just my opinion, but i seriously think the problem with why so many of us dont feel as attached to the current characters is cos they arent very close with clem, except for kenny.

Think about it, the characters that were the most liked in season 1 were pretty much carley, kenny(except those who had him be a dick sometimes cos you sided with lily), christa and omid, mark..What they've all got in common is that they all respected Lee and were close to him(except if you were a douchebag-Lee obviously), which made it easier to like them, at least imo. Molly also started trusting Lee the most which made us like her too.

This definitely doesnt mean we cant like asshole-characters, but all im saying is that in other to get more close with the cabin crew and the others who survived, we need to in ep 4 have them shown that they care about clem and appreciate everything shes done. For gods sake, she risked her life when she went to steal those walkie-talkies and turn on the PA system, yet most of the adults didnt even seem that worried about her, they kinda just said ''we know ur a kid but youre the only one who can do this now go, goodbye''. Even kenny just rushed her to go up, without seeming that worried!

SO IN SHORT, we need to have the ability to talk to the adults(or have them come to us) and talk about how they appreciated what clem did, maybe even say how sorry they were that she had to do all that dangerous shit/ that they kinda forced her to do it. Just more dialogue options to show that the adults respect and care about clem, but also that they now will protect her more than ever. Cos so far no one except kenny has really cared about clems safety or well-being(remember how nobody gave a shit when troy hit clem when she tried to help kenny who got beat up by carver?).

So those are just my 2 cents, im sure there are other ways to also make the characters more likeable(character development, have them shown being emotional, talk about their past etc etc), but for me its mostly important to show that they care about us and wont be sending clem alone to do all this dangerous shit anymore. at least in the preview it looks like clem and jane were together searching for sarah, it wouldve been too much if the adults just sent clem alone..again

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  • >No one gave a shit with Troy hit Clem

    Bonne did. She crouched down to check that Clem was okay.
  • edited May 2014
    Speaking of Bonnie, I think she's one of my favourite characters now, since she is basically the ONLY adult so far to consistently look out for Clem's well-being. I also like that she actually recognizes that Clem is a child (no "fix the wind turbine" crap from her), and yet she doesn't use that as an excuse to look down on her like Carver does.

    Plus, she gave Clem that kickass jacket.
    skoothz posted: »

    >No one gave a shit with Troy hit Clem Bonne did. She crouched down to check that Clem was okay.

  • Something like that would definitely help their characterization. But personally I don't even really care if they appreciate Clem or are nice to her. I just want to be able to react to them in one way or the other. Like at first I had a strong reaction to Nick, because at first he seemed like such a jerk but then he apologized but then he acted like a jerk again (he knows where the fucking river is). I also had a strong reaction to Luke because it was like "oh he's cool. Wait no he's not. Wait maybe he is." That back-and-forth is interesting and important to decide how you feel about a person, and it's realistic as well.
  • I want to add that I appreciate the 'back and forth' between characters like Nick and Luke when it's consistent & makes sense as a part of their characters- Nick overreacts because of his past while trying to keep up a tough exterior even though he's hurting & has self-esteem issues, while Luke has a bit of a hero complex but finds it difficult to do the hard thing- "you don't kill dogs"...

    But it was different with the other cabin group people, and I think that's why people don't have really strong reactions to them. For example in ep1 Rebecca and Carlos seem to have it out for Clem, but then in ep2 they suddenly trust her completely. This change was unexplained and nothing happened to justify it so it made me unsure of how to feel about them one way or the other.
    TT247 posted: »

    Something like that would definitely help their characterization. But personally I don't even really care if they appreciate Clem or are nic

  • Same honestly, I love her. I love my new mom Bonnie.

    Speaking of Bonnie, I think she's one of my favourite characters now, since she is basically the ONLY adult so far to consistently look out

  • yea i forgot to add that,lol. But bonnie is definitely a good character, im glad she came with the crew when they escaped. But when clem woke up, nobody asked if she was okay whatsoever, its kinda worrying imo.

    I still just hope in ep 4 the other characters give more attention to clem and help her out whenever the player must go do something, it makes me miss lee even harder when nobody of these new characters except bonnie see her as a kid who still needs guidance and protection.
    skoothz posted: »

    >No one gave a shit with Troy hit Clem Bonne did. She crouched down to check that Clem was okay.

  • Also, for what it's worth, if you go with Nick at the end of episode 1, you can try to leave the shed together and when the walkers start swarming he makes you run off so he can distract them. I'm pretty sure he just straight up punches one of them in the face, which was pretty impressive/idiotic.

    Dunno how much you'd count that as protection but I figured it had some bearing.
  • You know, they don't necessarily have to be likeable, but fleshed out. People don't like Kenny/Lilly but I think we can agree that they are good characters, nonetheless.

    I did not particularly like Carlos back in *All That Remains*, or Rebecca, for that matter, but I was looking forward to whatever came next, because I like the human drama and group dynamics of TWD... I *was* looking forward to it, it does not really happen.
  • nick had a good character development in ep 2, and his fuck-ups really made the player wonder if its worth having him around. too bad hes now a determinant character and had barely any screentime in ep 3, maybe he gets some in ep 4.

    also, theres a dialogue option when youre talking to him that goes; clem; ''youre right, [Luke] would never leave you guys behind'' Nick; ''us guys, you mean''. I thought that was very sweet of him
    skoothz posted: »

    Also, for what it's worth, if you go with Nick at the end of episode 1, you can try to leave the shed together and when the walkers start sw

  • edited May 2014
    > ''youre right, [Luke] would never leave you guys behind'' Nick; ''us guys, you mean''. I thought that was very sweet of him

    Best. Line. Evar.

    EDIT: Well, not EVAR, but it was really good for reasons too long and boring for me to post here. ;)
    Spagetto posted: »

    nick had a good character development in ep 2, and his fuck-ups really made the player wonder if its worth having him around. too bad hes no

  • We're all crossing our fingers for more Nick in episode 4.

    He comes off like a jerk but he's really ol' softie, honestly.
    Spagetto posted: »

    nick had a good character development in ep 2, and his fuck-ups really made the player wonder if its worth having him around. too bad hes no

  • edited May 2014
    well rebecca has become more likeable now i think, i still wish we'd have more possibilities to talk to her.
    like when the group sent clem to turn on the PA system, rebecca said ''make sure to bring alvin''. As if what clem was doing wasnt dangerous enough, how the hell was she gonna bring back a beat up guy?

    oh, and carlos did seem to get more accepting towards the idea of clem and sarah being friends. i just hoped youd have the chance to talk to him too, especially after that scene where carver forces him to hit sarah and the player has the option to try and interrupt, the ''carlos will remember that'' pops up. it just sounded like carlos wouldve come back later on and talk about how he appreciates that she tried to help and maybe forgive her for how hard he had been towards her. I think if i had had the chance to talk to carlos properly, id have felt sadder by his death.

    fleshing out the characters is definitely important right now in order for us to really get more attached to the characters. More talking with the characters and drama between them should do the trick, also in the future have at least 1 adult come with clem whenever she has to go somewhere. clem obviously has to do a lot of shit cos shes the playable character, but that doesnt mean the others shouldnt be involved, it would make them look more useful and make it easier for us to connect to them.

    You know, they don't necessarily have to be likeable, but fleshed out. People don't like Kenny/Lilly but I think we can agree that they are

  • Give me a couple hub areas, let us question the characters and their past and for the love of god make them CARE ABOUT US. Yes I like that they don't underestimate Clementine but she isn't the frickin' Terminator!

    Troy hits Clementine, neither Sarita, Kenny, or anyone else but BONNIE cared! Why? It'd be great if the people who you treated well and cared for, came to your aid or screamed at Troy or something! Anything! No one even asked if she were okay!

    Plus they keep sending her on 007 missions, it makes sense because I doubt an adult would be able to sneak in so effeciently and even be supported by that flimsy rope, but still no one other than Sarita seemed to care.
  • I think a big part of the problem is that there are hardly any differences in their behavior based on what you say to them. In s1 people could have had very different relationships with you, and even when they didn't they would at least reference your choices/how you treated them in the dialogue even if it didn't affect their behavior, so it was easier to have an opinion & react to them.

    Likewise in s2 I have a much bigger attachment to characters who Clem has a chance to interact with /affect (Nick leaving the shed with you if you convince him to, Sarah showing you the gun if you're her friend). When characters don't have that kind of interactivity I don't care as much about them. I feel so much more invested when we interact with characters, share thoughts/experiences, and they react to our choices/dialogue.
  • Yep. She recognizes our 'im badass i will sass you' outer shell, she sees the little girl Clem truly is.

    Speaking of Bonnie, I think she's one of my favourite characters now, since she is basically the ONLY adult so far to consistently look out

  • You could hear me 'aaaaaaaaaaw'ing at that line over in Mars, that was the cutest thing ever <3
    Spagetto posted: »

    nick had a good character development in ep 2, and his fuck-ups really made the player wonder if its worth having him around. too bad hes no

  • Bonnie loves Clem which makes me love Bonnie.
    skoothz posted: »

    >No one gave a shit with Troy hit Clem Bonne did. She crouched down to check that Clem was okay.

  • Luke cared about the PA mission. He was like 'Wait, wait, hold on. SHE'S the plan?'

    Luke is the last person in the world to question Clem's compentence, we saved his ass on that bridge. He was questioning why Clem was being put on the dangerous mission, with Clem being a kid.
    HarjKS posted: »

    Give me a couple hub areas, let us question the characters and their past and for the love of god make them CARE ABOUT US. Yes I like that t

  • She gave Clem a kickass jacket? All I got was that rainbow crap.

    I like Bonnie too, much more than I did during 400 Days. I hope she survives the Season.

    Speaking of Bonnie, I think she's one of my favourite characters now, since she is basically the ONLY adult so far to consistently look out

  • I thought it was kinda cute :(
    Rock114 posted: »

    She gave Clem a kickass jacket? All I got was that rainbow crap. I like Bonnie too, much more than I did during 400 Days. I hope she survives the Season.

  • yeah bonnie really looks after clem like a mother. sorta. but I don't fully trust her. hey she warm up to me in ep 3, cuz I hated her after ep 2, but she sorta redeem herself.

    Speaking of Bonnie, I think she's one of my favourite characters now, since she is basically the ONLY adult so far to consistently look out

  • Listen Vanilla Ice, you can't die in the next episode!
  • I think one oe of the reason why they changed theor mind so fast was cuz they were petrified of carver. I mean they knew she wasn't with carver and that she wasn't much of a threat. also I think the what?? 5 days they spend on the road after leaving the cabin they got to know her and didn't see her as a treat anymore that was going to sneak up/off (whatever is said) with their shit. so again it was sudden to us cuz they didn't show those five days.
    TT247 posted: »

    I want to add that I appreciate the 'back and forth' between characters like Nick and Luke when it's consistent & makes sense as a part

  • Kenny couldn't do shit he was damn near dead, how was suppose to even stand up after that?????
    HarjKS posted: »

    Give me a couple hub areas, let us question the characters and their past and for the love of god make them CARE ABOUT US. Yes I like that t

  • In episode 2 I felt like Clem was an outsider who was travelling with the cabin group. I thought it was bad writing that was causing me to feel that way, but Nick saying "us guys, you mean" shows that the writers are aware that Clem doesn't feel like she's part of the group. Maybe they are doing this for some reason that will become apparent in episode 4 or 5.
    Spagetto posted: »

    nick had a good character development in ep 2, and his fuck-ups really made the player wonder if its worth having him around. too bad hes no

  • That's a valid point but it seems a poor use of a time skip if something like that happened during that time skip. It could have been valuable character development if we could have been shown what changed their minds; but there was not even an acknowledgement that they did have a moment of "we were wrong about you". Instead they suddenly were like "Yeah we decided you're not with Carver so it's all good." Showing how they got to that point would have been a good opportunity for badly-needed character development
    jamex1223 posted: »

    I think one oe of the reason why they changed theor mind so fast was cuz they were petrified of carver. I mean they knew she wasn't with car

  • yea that's why I feel now that they have to make episodes 2 hrs long. and again they maybe use the philosophy the enemy of my enemy is my friend, you know something like that, I mean clem was already involve being she saw carver. but yeah I just put that out there as a theory of trying to figure out the change of emotions between everyone
    TT247 posted: »

    That's a valid point but it seems a poor use of a time skip if something like that happened during that time skip. It could have been valuab

  • I know a way to make them more likable. Hubs.

    Hubs goddamnit.
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