Luke / Carver relationship

I don't know if there is back story as I've only ever played through the games and not watched the show or read the graphic novels, but is there a connection between Luke and Carver? Rebecca I think mentioned Luke butted heads with Carver before, and it doesn't seem like usually one can butt heads with Carver without ultimately losing theirs in the process, so it seems odd to me that Luke felt he could do that and get away with it. He wasn't beaten too badly at all (compared to Kenny) when he was found sneaking too. Also, Luke had flickers of surprise in his face when the group suggested shooting Carver at the end. Either Luke truly is a kinder man with his humanity intact despite all that's happened, or killing Carver caused him personal grief. I don't want to suggest Carver was his father or anything, as the notion seems like a strange thing to me, but there have been a few instances that make me feel he may well have been or some other similar relation.

Of course this post is borne out of a certain level of ignorance and is just an interpretation that seemed plausible.
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  • edited May 2014
    When Luke has the AK-47, Carver says "Come on, Luke. This ain't none of your business." I thought it was weird that Carver was trying to exclude Luke from the situation. Carver didn't even seem to mind that Luke escaped in Episode 2 while everyone else he captured and forced back to his camp. Carver also didn't seem that angry at Luke for trying to break them out in Episode 3.
  • You know like Lee and Clem's connection? Maybe Carver helped keep Luke alive somehow and considered him to be like a son? I don't know. Just a thought.
  • I doubt they were great friends
  • They were...
    IN LOVE.
    ...Dammit
  • I was wondering the same thing and also someone mention that they "butted heads on how to rule the community" maybe before the camp had a few leaders like Luke/Pete/Carver and perhaps others but Carver got greedy and wanted power. It also links with ep.2 of how Carver remarked that Luke "finally cut and run" "I told you not follow him"
  • Yeah, that would make sense. Then when Carver lost it, Luke left and stopped seeing him as a father.
    Conduit42 posted: »

    You know like Lee and Clem's connection? Maybe Carver helped keep Luke alive somehow and considered him to be like a son? I don't know. Just a thought.

  • Maybe they shared the leadership role of the community at one point. Luke was the more charming amicable type who saw to the community's social needs and Carver was the grizzled authority figure who made the tough calls and kept up security. Things started getting uneasy between them for reasons until Luke and the others felt they were better off leaving.
  • Hahaha yes, this was what I was hoping to hear...
    BenUseful posted: »

    They were... IN LOVE. ...Dammit

  • So you believe in boating them too?

    Hahaha yes, this was what I was hoping to hear...

  • I had similar thoughts, even as far back as episode 2 with Carver's comment about Luke abandoning them, it seems like there is more to it than what we've been told so far. I'm curious to know, maybe we will hopefully find out more in episode 4?
  • They were...
    Lu-rvers? hahaha my otp.
    BenUseful posted: »

    They were... IN LOVE. ...Dammit

  • If (big if) Luke was Carver's son it would explain why Carver got so obsessed with raising tough kids. Luke was weak and he betrayed him.

    They did say Carver got worse after the group escaped.
  • edited May 2014
    I hope so too, I just fear that now that he's dead, it makes what went before redundant to the plot if they want to progress into new things. Now that he's no longer a threat it might look a bit lame if the group continues to carry Carver-shaped baggage for the next two installments.
    TT247 posted: »

    I had similar thoughts, even as far back as episode 2 with Carver's comment about Luke abandoning them, it seems like there is more to it than what we've been told so far. I'm curious to know, maybe we will hopefully find out more in episode 4?

  • Same here. I boat that shit on everything.
    Team_Purple posted: »

    They were... Lu-rvers? hahaha my otp.

  • Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Episode 3 would have been the time to talk about it. wasted potential. :(

    I hope so too, I just fear that now that he's dead, it makes what went before redundant to the plot if they want to progress into new things

  • Hmmm, not only did Carver not beat down Luke when he was caught,.. you could see that he let Carlos check to see if Luke was ok.
  • Your profile pic frightens me.
    Onmens posted: »

    If (big if) Luke was Carver's son it would explain why Carver got so obsessed with raising tough kids. Luke was weak and he betrayed him. They did say Carver got worse after the group escaped.

  • That's a good thing. It means you'll take good care of that little girl.

    Your profile pic frightens me.

  • I wish they would give us more back story on Luke because it feels like we hardly know him...
  • I didn't know it had such a following... :o
    BenUseful posted: »

    Same here. I boat that shit on everything.

  • They do now.

    I didn't know it had such a following... :o

  • Wasn't Luke's face a bit messed up when we/Clem are brought back and see Carlos tending to Luke? I had assumed Carver or Troy had slapped him around beforehand... I never had the impression he was left alone. My assumption is that he was reeeeeally going to make an example of him later on but got caught up with the Kenny beating.
    Cowpie posted: »

    Hmmm, not only did Carver not beat down Luke when he was caught,.. you could see that he let Carlos check to see if Luke was ok.

  • I also find it EXCEEDINGLY odd that Carver tells Luke that this isn't any of his concern when everybody from the cabin group cites Luke as the one who led their escape. Why is it that Carver doesn't seem angry at nor does he seem to blame Luke? Maybe he was specifically talking about his relationship with Rebecca in that scene?

    There's definitely more to this than they're telling us, and they act as if Luke has cut and run before but what makes me shaky on that is that the Cabin group all seem to really trust Luke. None of them mention him cutting and running previously like Carver's words would suggest. Maybe Luke was at one point a secondary leader but he was weak-willed and preferred to step down rather than cause conflict? That would fit with Carver's view of weakness being dangerous. But then why does Carver seem to hold little animosity towards him? He even seems to talk about Luke as if Luke is an outsider, which we know he isn't based on how the other cabin group members and Bonnie talk about him.
  • i hope luke will tell us more about this in ep 4
  • They do have a similar shaped face and hair style, but, if (as you said 'big if) they were related, I think Luke would have done something to stop Kenny from killing Carver, or at least made him be less violent.
    Onmens posted: »

    If (big if) Luke was Carver's son it would explain why Carver got so obsessed with raising tough kids. Luke was weak and he betrayed him. They did say Carver got worse after the group escaped.

  • butted head? More like bumping uglies...
    Domingez posted: »

    I was wondering the same thing and also someone mention that they "butted heads on how to rule the community" maybe before the camp had a fe

  • edited May 2014
    Luke goes missing in episode 4 , because he went back to bury his ex lover Carver .
  • It might be just because he was a coward when deciding to shoot him, but Carver did say "Fuckin' big man now huh?" which i'm assuming was pointed towards Luke...

    When Luke has the AK-47, Carver says "Come on, Luke. This ain't none of your business." I thought it was weird that Carver was trying to exc

  • Confirmed.
    Cowpie posted: »

    Luke goes missing in episode 4 , because he went back to bury his ex lover Carver .

  • I don't think we were meant to know anything about the group's time in the community. I did find it peculiar that Carver did not reprimand Luke too harshly. Also it seemed to me like Rebecca really was fond of Carver before he "changed".
  • Also if you choose for Clem to not watch Carver's death you can see Luke close his eyes in grief hearing Carver being killed.
  • I swear if we find out Carver was Luke's father, I will piss myself. Maybe Luke lied about his parents because he didn't want reveal his father was a murdering psychopath.
  • Interesting..... if Carver saw Luke as weak, why not kill him like Reggie, Walter etc.? It only makes sense if Luke was strong but something outside ZA made him question himself.
    Cowpie posted: »

    Hmmm, not only did Carver not beat down Luke when he was caught,.. you could see that he let Carlos check to see if Luke was ok.

  • edited May 2014
    What if Carver was actually Luke's father? Due to actions before the community began (possibly hurting humans, doing bad things simply to survive, etc.) and the fact that Carver seemed to love the concept of a community and survival more than his own son - Luke's father was "dead" to him. Which also explains why Luke said he "lost his folks" as in he lost his mother presumably as she died whilst "losing" his father to the obsession of survival.

    Carver never cares for his son but somewhat still doesn't want to see him dead however wants to keep his parental focus on "his child" with Rebecca as he says to Clem "The next generation has to be stronger than the last" implying he sees Luke as someone who will always be weak as he plans to raise the "next generation" (Rebecca's child) as it will be "stronger than the last" (Luke).

    However Carver is still obsessed with survival so he did have to punish his son Luke (most likely not as severaly as someone else, as also shown with Kenny. Remember Luke had a possession of a walkie-talkie as well, whilst also trying to steal food and planning the whole operation whilst Kenny only possesed a walkie talkie. So it doesn't really make sense that Luke wouldn't be punished nearly as bad as Kenny unless Carver had another agenda which could be that Luke is actually Carvers son).

    This also explains why Luke was somewhat hesitant in murdering Carver as he could possibly have seen some way to bring his father back however Kenny shot Carver and by then it was too late.

    Would also mean how Nick envies Luke as he's able to "just keep moving all the time" suggesting that Luke went through trauma yet continued moving which Nick greatly respected and kept as a secret from the others. Due to him knowing Luke for 20 years he could have travelled with both Luke and Carver before the community was set up. Thus the trauma Luke went through was losing his parent to a community.

    Also would explain why Luke disliked Carvers rules, he possibly either just disliked the rules or he didn't mind the rules somewhat but just wanted to oppose his father to try and gain his father figure back as more forgiving and friendly rules could be put in place setting Carvers mentality to be back to how it were (a loving father to Luke). He may have also wanted to oppose his father to take out his resentment on his fathers obssesion out on him in some way.

    Would also explain why Carver says that Clementine cannot "trust the cabin survivors" as Carver could believe that Luke would turn back to his side and betray the cabin group in doing so.

    If this is all true, then this would be the second time Kenny would have murdered an opposing persons father by destroying their brain.
  • I don't know, I feel like somebody else would have mentioned that. I mean, Nick has known Luke for 20 years so he must know his father. Is he really so loyal to Luke that he wouldn't even bring that fact up?
    GdaTyler posted: »

    I swear if we find out Carver was Luke's father, I will piss myself. Maybe Luke lied about his parents because he didn't want reveal his father was a murdering psychopath.

  • Lukver?
    BenUseful posted: »

    They were... IN LOVE. ...Dammit

  • That is actually a pretty decent theory.
    HarjKS posted: »

    What if Carver was actually Luke's father? Due to actions before the community began (possibly hurting humans, doing bad things simply to su

  • Thank you! ^.^
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    That is actually a pretty decent theory.

  • It would be nice to find out more about his past.
    privatejoe posted: »

    i hope luke will tell us more about this in ep 4

  • In episode 2 Carver says to Clem "You have no idea who these people are do you", it always made me wonder about that. Can Clem trust anyone at all? I can seriously see something happening where Luke or someone from the group will betray her.
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