Why not? This is just a place where people keep tlaking about a subject that should have already died. I don't want to be rude, I'm just say… moreing this is a place that's been causing a lot of trouble just because of a simple question about Nick's sexuality.
I don't care if he's gay or not. If he's gay, fine! I just want to have peaceful discussions here.
We're not supposed to live our lives intending to change people's minds. Just let them live with their thoughts.
What I want to say is that I appreciate your effort to make people stop being homophobes, but there will always be homophobes everywhere. It's the world.
If we want to try to change the minds of homophobes, why shouldn't we?
You're right - there will likely always be homophobes - but you're wrong if you think there always will be the same number. There were more racists in the us 8- years ago than there are now, for example, and let's hope 50 years from now, because of us changing attitudes, there will be fewer homophobes too.
We're not supposed to live our lives intending to change people's minds. Just let them live with their thoughts.
What I want to say is … morethat I appreciate your effort to make people stop being homophobes, but there will always be homophobes everywhere. It's the world.
Yeah, I do agree with your thoughts. I was just saying that I agree that this thread should be closed, most of the homophobes here have been erased or convinced.
Who says we're not supposed to?
If we want to try to change the minds of homophobes, why shouldn't we?
You're right - there will l… moreikely always be homophobes - but you're wrong if you think there always will be the same number. There were more racists in the us 8- years ago than there are now, for example, and let's hope 50 years from now, because of us changing attitudes, there will be fewer homophobes too.
It's kind of hard for a stranger to change a homophobes mind over a video game forum over the internet. This forum is for discussing a video game, not prejudice
Who says we're not supposed to?
If we want to try to change the minds of homophobes, why shouldn't we?
You're right - there will l… moreikely always be homophobes - but you're wrong if you think there always will be the same number. There were more racists in the us 8- years ago than there are now, for example, and let's hope 50 years from now, because of us changing attitudes, there will be fewer homophobes too.
It's kind of hard for a stranger to change a homophobes mind over a video game forum over the internet. This forum is for discussing a video game, not prejudice
Yeah, I do agree with your thoughts. I was just saying that I agree that this thread should be closed, most of the homophobes here have been erased or convinced.
That "anger" stems from people who believe in really really dumb theories. There was a thread before this season about how the stranger from season 1 kidnapped Kenny. The theory was hilarious and had the same amount of evidence as this one (none)! and you know what happened? The overwhelming majority actually believed it! So that annoys me. Why? To be honest Im not sure. In short, I think I have been overall very respectful in this thread. I am actively arguing because this is a public forum and I apologize if you thought I was being a dick but this entire thread is just non-sense. Once again I am sorry, but the biggest piece of evidence is that Nick talks about and misses Luke. . . I think it is more disturbing there are people here who are telling us "this is how a closeted homosexual acts" as if they know. It's scary that this theory about a guy who misses a friend who is the same gender as him causes people to think he is gay.
You're ignorant because you've been inciting a flame war over something what was never meant to be a big deal. If the only factor here was t… morehat you don't think Nick is gay you would comment, "Hm, interesting theory, but personally I don't see it" and then move on with your life and so would we. You wouldn't be actively arguing with people, you wouldn't be jumping down the throats of folks who weren't even talking to you to begin with. This isn't about how you don't Nick isn't gay, it's about your anger that other people do.
That "anger" stems from people who believe in really really dumb theories. There was a thread before this season about how the stranger from… more season 1 kidnapped Kenny. The theory was hilarious and had the same amount of evidence as this one (none)! and you know what happened? The overwhelming majority actually believed it! So that annoys me. Why? To be honest Im not sure. In short, I think I have been overall very respectful in this thread. I am actively arguing because this is a public forum and I apologize if you thought I was being a dick but this entire thread is just non-sense. Once again I am sorry, but the biggest piece of evidence is that Nick talks about and misses Luke. . . I think it is more disturbing there are people here who are telling us "this is how a closeted homosexual acts" as if they know. It's scary that this theory about a guy who misses a friend who is the same gender as him causes people to think he is gay.
That, my friend, is what we call a strawman argument.
You're extrapolating two instances out of several other pieces of evidence to the… moren claim that people are saying missing a friend means you're gay.
But if you look at the top of the post and take the time to read what has been said it's not these points on their own, it's how all the points link together to paint a certain picture.
Evidence is like a jigsaw - you don't point at individual pieces of evidence and say "conclusion!" You gather the pieces and try to speculate and work out the whole picture.
You are committing a strawman here by selecting only two pieces of evidence and then treating what people have said as "all we need is this single piece or this single piece" then basing your argument on that. Of course claiming that just missing Luke or being insulted by Kenny's inference is a weak case to say Nick is gay.
But that's not all the evidence that has bee… [view original content]
Don't worry ! Im not afraid of it at all silly ! If you read my above post, you would know I am scared of people are assuming Nick is gay because he talks about Luke a lot. Why is it scary ? If people are assuming Nick is gay because he misses a friend I guess these same people would assume a real person is gay because he/she misses a member of the same sex. There have been about 20+ people who have come on this thread and agreed with the idea because he acts like a "closeted homosexual." And my response is : "lol, can someone explain how a closeted homosexual acts?" I think a lot of people on here, including at times yourself, are making very scary leaps as to what it means to be gay. Being a homosexual means that you are attracted to the same sex. Nick has never shown any signs of being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Sure, he defended himself when Kenny jokingly called him gay (as anyone would) and he kept talking about Luke, but if you or anyone sincerely believes these two things make him gay than I am very scared to live on the same planet as you.
You clearly don't know what a straw an argument is if that's the best you can come up with.
You have cut down the argument to something… more it isn't and continue to argue on that ground rather than what has actually been said.
I, on the other hand, have simply responded to the argument that you outlined by pointing out it isn't what was said.
You're just stubbornly obsessing on two points and not engaging in the actual argument. But you're absolutely determined to prove there is zero evidence that you choose to ignore what people say to only pick and choose the points that you feel you can dispute while ignoring the actual argument.
The argument is that there is a consistent pattern shown by Nick that suggests that he could be gay. Not that he is definitely gay or that any of these signs taken on their own make him gay, but that there is a consistent pattern.
- Nick is portrayed as a somewhat sensitive character.
- His relationship to Luke is close.
- He talks about Luke with a lot of affection.
- He doesn't want to let Luke down and gets annoyed when Luke won't let him come along to the bridge.
- He and Luke hug intimately in the shed and when they find Pete.
- He and Luke are equated as being a couple by Kenny, who had been living for some time with a gay couple.
- When Kenny says this Nick questions aggressively what Kenny means but doesn't make any kind of denial.
- He seems to flirtatiously joke with Luke about being tucked in bed.
- When Luke is missing Nick is confident that Luke would never leave him behind and talks warmly about him.
Now none of this categorically proves Nick is gay. It even can be proof that he's just in a close brotherly friendship.
NOBODY IS SAYING OTHERWISE.
But it does present a pattern that justifies speculation. Especially given that from a narrative perspective the story has presented a gay couple who were also referred to as close friends which can be read as a clue from the writers as to the possibility that Nick and possibly Luke have a closer relationship than we realise.
On the other hand it's not a smoking gun.
Regardless, it isn't simply a case of Nick's missing Luke and reacting with shock at Kenny's implication. It's a much bigger pattern of behaviour than that which is why the OP lists 5 points that when looked at together suggest the possibility.
You continue to claim there are zero signs while struggling to actually prove that without actively ignoring what people are saying when it doesn't fit your case. You're arguing this as if people are saying Nick is factually gay. They aren't.
Don't worry ! Im not afraid of it at all silly ! If you read my above post, you would know I am scared of people are assuming Nick is gay be… morecause he talks about Luke a lot. Why is it scary ? If people are assuming Nick is gay because he misses a friend I guess these same people would assume a real person is gay because he/she misses a member of the same sex. There have been about 20+ people who have come on this thread and agreed with the idea because he acts like a "closeted homosexual." And my response is : "lol, can someone explain how a closeted homosexual acts?" I think a lot of people on here, including at times yourself, are making very scary leaps as to what it means to be gay. Being a homosexual means that you are attracted to the same sex. Nick has never shown any signs of being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Sure, he defended himself when Kenny jokingly called him gay (as anyone would) and he kept talking about Luke, but i… [view original content]
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What I want to say is that I appreciate your effort to make people stop being homophobes, but there will always be homophobes everywhere. It's the world.
If we want to try to change the minds of homophobes, why shouldn't we?
You're right - there will likely always be homophobes - but you're wrong if you think there always will be the same number. There were more racists in the us 8- years ago than there are now, for example, and let's hope 50 years from now, because of us changing attitudes, there will be fewer homophobes too.
(http)://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17CLlZuiBkQ
You have cut down the argument to something it isn't and continue to argue on that ground rather than what has actually been said.
I, on the other hand, have simply responded to the argument that you outlined by pointing out it isn't what was said.
You're just stubbornly obsessing on two points and not engaging in the actual argument. But you're absolutely determined to prove there is zero evidence that you choose to ignore what people say to only pick and choose the points that you feel you can dispute while ignoring the actual argument.
The argument is that there is a consistent pattern shown by Nick that suggests that he could be gay. Not that he is definitely gay or that any of these signs taken on their own make him gay, but that there is a consistent pattern.
- Nick is portrayed as a somewhat sensitive character.
- His relationship to Luke is close.
- He talks about Luke with a lot of affection.
- He doesn't want to let Luke down and gets annoyed when Luke won't let him come along to the bridge.
- He and Luke hug intimately in the shed and when they find Pete.
- He and Luke are equated as being a couple by Kenny, who had been living for some time with a gay couple.
- When Kenny says this Nick questions aggressively what Kenny means but doesn't make any kind of denial.
- He seems to flirtatiously joke with Luke about being tucked in bed.
- When Luke is missing Nick is confident that Luke would never leave him behind and talks warmly about him.
Now none of this categorically proves Nick is gay. It even can be proof that he's just in a close brotherly friendship.
NOBODY IS SAYING OTHERWISE.
But it does present a pattern that justifies speculation. Especially given that from a narrative perspective the story has presented a gay couple who were also referred to as close friends which can be read as a clue from the writers as to the possibility that Nick and possibly Luke have a closer relationship than we realise.
On the other hand it's not a smoking gun.
Regardless, it isn't simply a case of Nick's missing Luke and reacting with shock at Kenny's implication. It's a much bigger pattern of behaviour than that which is why the OP lists 5 points that when looked at together suggest the possibility.
You continue to claim there are zero signs while struggling to actually prove that without actively ignoring what people are saying when it doesn't fit your case. You're arguing this as if people are saying Nick is factually gay. They aren't.
You really don't know what you're talking about at all, do you.
Edit: okay. Show me how what I said is a straw man. :)