Why Kenny's fans and Luke's fans are always kind of "hostile" to the other character?
Actually, I never understand why most fans of a character can hate another character, unless the two characters' values or personalities are totally the opposite to each other. Kenny and Luke actually don't have so many differences in values or personalities. For example both of them may suggest to leave behind a badly injuried person, both of them like to take the leadership but can get the group in danger with bad decisions, and both of them are very nice to Clem. When one of them do something bad or stupid it makes me dislike him, but it does not mean that I will like the other more. The same apply to when one of them do something good. What's more, this began even before Luke suggests to leave Kenny behind. There were even some paranoias who thought that the reason why Luke disappeared when Carver came was that Kenny killed Luke.
And for this reason I even think Kenny's fans should hate Luke less when he suggested to leave Kenny behind: Kenny can do the same as Luke if they are in the other's shoes. So if you like Kenny, then why you hate someone who do the same your beloved character can also do? Think about it when Lee, Christa, Omid and Kenny were stuck in the attic in NO TIME LEFT. I blame Luke for the damned idea to leave Kenny to die (he could stress on the point that " we should not leave tonight"), but I alse blame Kenny for focusing on "Lee is still bitten" other than looking for ways out.
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Cause haters gonna hate.
It's because the game opposes the two characters, most often by means of Kenny having a go against Luke, and so Kenny fans, feeling they need to agree with Kenny all the time and prevent him from being overshadowed by Luke, hate Luke too, and Luke fans get defensive about that and hate the Kenny fans in response.
Also, with regard to the point of Luke making the idea to leave Kenny behind:
1) He says he is playing devil's advocate, meaning that he doesn't necessarily agree with the plan
2) IF Kenny had been in that situation, he definitely would have recommended leaving Luke behind.
Hey, I like both characters. Both are favorites of mine.
Because that's Telltale's intention from the beginning.
It's pretty obvious to me that they wanted to make both characters rivals.
They even said so, after all.
Because Kenny fans are hot headed & self righteous,just like kenny himself.You can see it by how much they bash luke over the simplest mistake while they can't see how many fatal mistake that kenny had done,also if you're active before the season 2 is out,you can see them spamming almost every thread with the annoying "Kenny Returns In Season 2" gif,even if it's completely irrelevant,and Luke fans are just merely react from the action.
This, except some luke fans do go too far, such as she-who-must-not-be-named, although Kenny fans have done the same as her, just not on this forum.
Because butthurt fans are butthurt.
I agree with 2) IF Kenny had been in that situation, he definitely would have recommended leaving Luke behind. .However, to the point 1) He says he is playing devil's advocate, meaning that he doesn't necessarily agree with the plan,if I were Luke, I suppose this dialogue:
Sarita: NO! (when Luke referred to leaving Kenny behind)
Luke: (to those who insist to leave tonight) See? Leaving tonight means leaving someone behind to death tonight. We can't also carry him, because it will also be dangerous for him to get outside.
Me too! They both get some respects for which I blame them, but I like them as a whole and would like to group up with them. Sometimes it frustrates me to see the fans' fight...
I don't hate Luke, but we didn't get off to a good start. The way his attitude completely flip-flopped when he discovered Clem's bite set off alarms in my head, although he's clearly been trying to make it up to Clem ever since. I mean, travelling through zombie-infested territory on foot without so much as an hour's worth of sleep? That's not the actions of a flake.
I am one of the biggest Kenny fans on this forum and i like Luke alot actualy...i just like Kenny alot more!
At least there's no such thing as Cluke in the Kenny fanbase
Because Kenny fans feel the need to justify everything Kenny does and put down other characters (especially Luke) to make him seem like a hero, thus they make tons of threads hating on Luke for stupid reasons. And of course some Luke fans get defencive in return.
But he does say prior to that exchange 'I'm just playing devil's advocate here'
There is actually, they just don't post it on this forum.
But seriously on some websites Clenny is a thing.
It's fucking gross.
I like both of them, too. They're not perfect, have flaws and make mistakes.
Yep I agree with this I like them both.
I liked Kenny more than Lilly, but it didn't mean I disliked Lilly. Same goes for Kenny and Luke. I believe the thing is that in S1 and in S2, these conflicting characters represented much different aspects of morality and survival goals. In Season 1, Kenny represented hope, and then an escape whereas Lilly represented dealing with the world as it was, buckling down and trying to make something out of it. Kenny was generally a good guy whereas Lilly was seen as absolutely ruthless towards anyone she saw as a threat to the stability and safety of the group. In Season 2 we have Luke who is a moral, hopeful character trying to lead his people to greener pastures whereas Kenny is a hardened survivor unwilling to backdown from a threat and willing to fight tooth and nail to preserve what little he has left. In a way, Kenny's role in the struggle for leadership has been flipped.
This time, though, there's more on the line than just "what is the group going to do?" There's Clementine who is visibly lost in the world as it is. She needs guidance. She needs someone to depend on and to not only protect her but to protect them in turn. I think this is why the Kenny-Luke debate is so polarizing for people and why people are so aggressive about their choices. Clementine's future is at stake and people just get emotional about that. For many it's just "this guy's way is the right way, how could you possibly believe in what that other guy is doing?" At least that's the way I see it.
I love both characters. They're actually two of my favorites from the game.
Some people are really defensive of their favorite characters, and put them on a pedestal. So when others have complaints or criticisms about that character, they go into beast mode.
Character bashing isn't right either. It's okay to dislike a character or have criticism on a their development, personality, actions, etc. What's not okay is when people are spamming every discussion on that character with "I HATE HIM, I HOPE HE DIES!" or "SHE'S SUCH A STUPID BITCH!" Or saying the same thing to a person just because they like that character.
There are very few characters that I genuinely do not like, but I try to be respectful of others who may like them. It's actually interesting to see other perspectives on characters who you may be a little biased towards.
As a pretty big Kenny fan myself, I can easily say that is completely untrue, at least in my own case.
'In my own case' i.e. you can't easily say it's completely untrue, you can just say it's definitely untrue for one human
So in other words, Kenny fans only criticize other characters in an attempt to push Kenny higher up on the pedestal?
Do you know how ridiculous and baseless that sounds? Come on, we're allowed to have opinions too.
The same reason console wars exist. It's normal human behavior to be a little shitbag whenever taking sides in something.
Because most Kenny fans on this board bring out the worst in people.
--Signed, Not a Luke Fan.
Yes, that was entirely the point of me saying "at least in my own case" in the first place. I'm simply giving some insight into how Kenny fan's actually feel instead of you just grasping at straws and generalizing the entire Kenny fanbase
You're just giving me insight as to how ONE Kenny fan feels though
And I was hardly expecting the kenny fans to AGREE that many of them are letting Kenny decide their opinions for them
Well hey, one is better than none I guess. Just showing you that your generalizations may not be true here.
As a Kenny fan, I take offense to being called "hot headed and self righteous". Just because I like a character doesn't mean that I'm a certain way. I don't bash Luke either. I do like Kenny more than him, but I like Luke quite a bit as well. Simply liking one character doesn't mean you can't like a character that opposes them. Heck, I liked Lilly too back in Season 1 despite siding with Kenny. There are Kenny fans who are as you describe, but not all of us are like that and I'd appreciate not being grouped together with the more militant parts of his fanbase.
Didn't you make a whole thread about how Luke was useless and everytime someone has a reasonable criticism about Kenny, you start nitpicking their argument.
So what if I did? Am I not allowed to criticize Luke just because I happen to be a Kenny fan?
My thread also had nothing to do with Kenny at all. I wasn't even trying to relate the two, but other posters kept bringing the comparison up.
Edit: Actually you were the one who randomly decided to bring him up...
There are things I like and dislike about Kenny and I've spoken about both in various threads, and I certainly don't hate him. Further, the issues that I do have with the character largely existed before Luke and would have done so without him. I think a certain amount of versus discussion is expected because the narrative itself puts the characters into direct opposition, but at the same time, and I'm trying not to generalize, there are some elements of Kenny fandom that are...overzealous, is that the word?
Granted, this is nothing unique to to Kenny fandom, every group has their more militant parts, but, all I can speak from is what I've seen and experienced which is that fans on this forum that go overboard with the spamming, with attacking any sort of dissenting opinions, with unfairly and frequently bashing other characters, and with getting personal about the whole thing tend to disproportionately be Kenny fans. Honestly, when I talk about the character I really have to stop and try to make sure I'm filtering my actual opinions about him out from my opinions of parts of his fandom.
I'll pipe in and make that two. I'm a Kenny fan that likes Luke almost as much as I do Kenny and I don't bash Luke just to make Kenny seem better by comparison.
I agree that although Kenny and Luke have different ideas and personalities, they aren't that different from each other. They are on two sides of a spectrum. The ideas for each are different, but ultimately both extremes are not that different from each other. It is better to be somewhere in the middle (which I guess could be Clem since we as the player are torn between the two).
I`m a Kenny fan, but I do not understand all this "Kenny vs. Luke" discussions. I really like Luke too, Kenny is just better and more trustworthy for me. But all these threads just make no sense.
I mean, out of all of the characters, you choose to call Luke useless?
Quite the contrary. You were the one who brought up Kenny first.
Who cares? It's my opinion, and it has nothing to do with Kenny. I literally made no connection between the two. Critiquing Luke (as his own character) has nothing to do with Kenny.
Some poster named "GF115" was the first person to mention him. He/she was just talking about potential guardian figures to Clem though. You were the first person to bring Kenny up in direct comparison to Luke. In my conversation with you on that thread, we were originally discussing Luke's usefulness, and then you randomly decided to question me on how Kenny has proven his own usefulness, which had absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing.
Okay, if you say so.
In the conversation you had with GF115, you said that Kenny is the most suitable to take care of Clem. We were talking about Luke's usefulness and I decided to bring up what has Kenny done to prove that he was more useful than Luke. It was relevant to the conversation so I don't understand why you believe bringing up Kenny was arbitrary.
Because we were simply talking about Luke. Kenny doesn't have anything to do with Luke's personal usefulness.
Anyway, I had no intention or interest in comparing Kenny and Luke in that thread. If I did, I would have included something about it in the OP. Other posters were the ones who decided to toss Kenny into the equation.
I like Kenny, but the only reason he's my Avatar is because after 201, i put it on because i wanted him to be the "I thought you were dead" person. I'll keep it on as long as Kenny is alive. When he dies, i'll change it. Maybe.
I like Luke over some circumstances. Dropping Clem was a weird thing to do, but i forgave him. Luke being the reason the plan and Kenny's eye got destroyed. I guess i forgive him. Luke has a good line- "I can't tell a dog bite from a lurker bit from a mosquito bite." I don't like Luke, but i don't hate him either. I don't hate anyone this season. That Troy asshole was too funny to hate. Carver had some funny lines, but was an asshole.
Tavia turned into a bitch. The whole 400 Days group turned into Carver's puppets (If they went with Tavia) Nick is a dumb ass, but did good in 203. Jane seems like the bitchier version of Molly. Sarah keeps getting the group into trouble.