I would choose Luke, but if it honestly came down to it. Christa.
No offense but she was a better caretaker than Lee (NOT SAYING SHE'S BETTER THAN LEE AS A CHARACTER) and this makes sense since she would most likely research about taking care of kids as she and Omid were most likely planning for a child or she was confirmed pregnant already. Lee kept Clementine alive, and saved her life that is something invaluable, he made Clementine what she is today. Christa on the other hand kept Clementine alive for 16 months.
Put that into perspective, Lee kept Clementine alive for atleast 111 days (It's Day 112 when Clementine is on the outskirts of Savannah, after either killing Lee or leaving him). So 112 days at best.
Christa, on the other hand kept Clementine alive and well until they were attacked during Day 843.
843-112 = 731
Meaning Christa kept Clementine alive for more than six times longer than Lee did. However I felt that events are partially to blame due to the fact that multiple people and their actions risked the entire group, including Clementine.
Either way I would mostly trust Christa if it came down to it, but apart from that then Luke.
Which is exactly why without Christa's protection she almost died on her first day by herself. Without other people there such as Luke and Pete, she would end up dead. I find Clementine to be impressivevly independent but not to the point where she is good enough to survive out there.
Respectfully, I must disagree.
Clementine is only 11.
No matter how tough she is, she still needs someone to look after her.
Still way to young to be on her own.
Clementine getting strong, no need protector, but the other way, she need truly good friend to trust for. I choose kenny. Because he so fami… moreliar. God, im so happy kenny is alive. At that moment. I thought lilly will survive and met clem in season 2. Cause she is the only one we dont know is she still alive or not. Right? Im sorry about my grammar. Haha.
Kenny. One thing I appreciate about his relationship with Clem is the fact that he sees her as more than just the little girl who shouldn't speak when the "adults are talking." When others expressed doubts about whether or not Clem was capable enough to follow through with certain plans, Kenny was right there to back her up...or mostly volunteer her. Some might argue against volunteering an 11 year old to steal a walkie talkie from a dangerous group or risk getting caught by turning the PA on, but I remember from season 1 just how willing Clementine was to help in any way possible. She's bold, resourceful, and intelligent. Kenny sees all of that and has a lot of trust and faith in her. I respected that in my playthrough. I actually tried to play that way with Lee in season one. Protect Clem but treat her as though she's "alive," as Chuck so eloquently once said.
Luke also has a lot of faith in Clem. He's just not as proactive as Kenny....which is probably a good thing though. LOL. There needs to be a balance in there somewhere.
Clem is strong. But she still needs someone who will look out for her. And, hell, I'm just biased. I love Kenny. I think it honestly is because he can be so unlikable one minute then heroic the next. But no matter what, he consistently treats Clem the same....even if, SHOCK, you disagree with him. That was impressive to me. Haha.
Lmao sorry, but for real: I think Kenny and Luke aren't exactly parent figures to Clem in the same way Lee was and they might never be. Luke is more of a brother-esque figure, whereas Kenny seems like he'd be the crazy uncle that loves you but also gives you candy for dinner instead of a proper meal. At least Lee thought of giving her whatever food he could, and gave her a sweatshirt (Even though it was a bit immoral taking that car full of supplies.) He is the one who influences all her choices, not Luke and Kenny (Although you can let them sway your opinion through dialog choices.) If I truly had to choose a protector out of the two, I might end up combusting into flames because honestly, one without the other cannot hold up this little girl. She needs both, I think. And I also think she needs Christa, because she can't only have men to influence her. She needs a mother just as much as she needs a father. Sorry for making a longer post than I planned, I'm sure you can forgive me
It's a tough one between Luke and Christa. I'm slightly more inclined to go with Luke. The interactions between Luke and Clementine is one of the only high points of season two for me so far and he's really the only new character I actually like (aside from Sarah), the only one I would actually feel sad if they died.
i disagree, You remember back in the campfire when Clementine and Christa were sitting there at the camp fire, she sighs and says "this will never work." To me that meant, Clementine and Christa being together. I don't think Christa could forgive Clementine for Omid's death, and secretly blames her. I think she needs to be with somebody who would need her just as much as she would need him.
That is why i suggested Nate. He would be the perfect character in my mind to protect Clementine when stuff goes down, but also be in need of help himself, trying to deal with his own demons, and seeing if he can be redeemed by the end of the story.
Christa.
Lmao sorry, but for real: I think Kenny and Luke aren't exactly parent figures to Clem in the same way Lee was and they might ne… morever be. Luke is more of a brother-esque figure, whereas Kenny seems like he'd be the crazy uncle that loves you but also gives you candy for dinner instead of a proper meal. At least Lee thought of giving her whatever food he could, and gave her a sweatshirt (Even though it was a bit immoral taking that car full of supplies.) He is the one who influences all her choices, not Luke and Kenny (Although you can let them sway your opinion through dialog choices.) If I truly had to choose a protector out of the two, I might end up combusting into flames because honestly, one without the other cannot hold up this little girl. She needs both, I think. And I also think she needs Christa, because she can't only have men to influence her. She needs a mother just as much as she needs a father. Sorry for making a longer post than I planned, I'm sure you can forgive me
Which is exactly why without Christa's protection she almost died on her first day by herself. Without other people there such as Luke and P… moreete, she would end up dead. I find Clementine to be impressivevly independent but not to the point where she is good enough to survive out there.
Clementine is getting stronger and is capable of protecting herself, but she's still a child being alone she wouldn't last long. She may not need a protector, what she needs is guidance and someone positive that would build her up keeping humanity and morals alive in her, as in S2 she appears very depressed and sad.
Kenny is strong and does what ever it takes to protect her, however he doesn't think plans through. His emotions is what drives him, he picks a goal and doesn't even consider the pros and cons eg. (boat,Wellington) He seems like a character that can protect, but won't offer any guidance.
Luke on the other hand is very strategic and prudent, carefully thinks plans through unlike Kenny. In ep.2 he protected Clem offered some guidance on a few matters, although he is a bit too extreme on his morals like not shooting Carver or not killing dogs (only the aggressive ones of course).
Clem needs a little bit of both, so really none of them fit the role fully. If we as player would be forced to pick one of them, I think I would go with Luke. Lets see what will happen in ep.4, maybe something will change.
I really love how you analyze every possible guardian interaction with Clem in a objective matter, and I have to say I agree with everything you've said so far. I'd stay with Kenny not only because he's selfless when it comes to the protection of the folks he cares about, but also because he really does love Clemmy. I think that Kenny, as long as there's someone he can call a family next to him, will be alright and will do everything in his power to keep Clem safe, but he'll also acknowledge her value as a person and won't keep her behind of the action because she's just a "little girl". If Clementine says she can manage, then he'll trust her and will let her be, which is capital when it comes to survival. However, there's a downside to all of this and as much as I adore Kenny I think his reckless and unforgiving nature could be the downfall for him...or maybe that's what will make him keep going. Aaaah! there's so much to analyze lol but yeah, I think the best option for Clem right now is Kenny.
Nobody. Clem doesn't need a protector anymore, she can take care of herself now, se knows how to survive, she just need a group to stick with (and she got it).
Clementine was injured, and losing blood to the point where she almost died and she fainted in front of Luke and Pete. Not to mention there's little wood to scavenge around the place, and she needs to keep moving to find Christa. If she had attempted to cook the dog, she would have fainted and walkers would have eaten her alive.
It's better she moved at least she was able to be rescued by Pete and Luke, that way. Like Lee said you need to keep moving.
No offense but whilst I liked Pete I would not trust him. The simple fact that he wasn't paying attention to notice a walker crawl and bite him on the leg is enough for me. Also I'm not sure why he went to the river with only one bullet despite Nick having several even though it's made clear that Pete knows Nick is a bad shot.
I like Pete, but I can't trust him to protect Clementine though I am thankful he saved her alongside Luke.
i don't think she needs a guardian she changed ALOT sometimes the innocent clem is like some other kid lol clem is much more mentally stronger then kenny aswell after she lost her parent's lee everyone she is still strong boy what a girl though
Clementine was injured, and losing blood to the point where she almost died and she fainted in front of Luke and Pete. Not to mention there'… mores little wood to scavenge around the place, and she needs to keep moving to find Christa. If she had attempted to cook the dog, she would have fainted and walkers would have eaten her alive.
It's better she moved at least she was able to be rescued by Pete and Luke, that way. Like Lee said you need to keep moving.
And even though I do agree she has become better at being self reliant, she can't be independent. Respectfully, she's just an 11 year old girl and a lot of people seem to forget that she would have died while being by herself if it weren't for Pete and Luke saving her.
i disagree, You remember back in the campfire when Clementine and Christa were sitting there at the camp fire, she sighs and says "this wi… morell never work." To me that meant, Clementine and Christa being together. I don't think Christa could forgive Clementine for Omid's death, and secretly blames her. I think she needs to be with somebody who would need her just as much as she would need him.
That is why i suggested Nate. He would be the perfect character in my mind to protect Clementine when stuff goes down, but also be in need of help himself, trying to deal with his own demons, and seeing if he can be redeemed by the end of the story.
Id say both are good, Kenny will do ANYTHING for his family and i think now Clem and Sarita are the only family hes got
left, but he can be reckless sometimes, Luke on the other hand is smart and caring and at dinner he looks even sadder than kenny did if you cjose not to sit with him which shows Clem has really grown on him
Nobody one hundred percent okay would brutally smash a crowbar into someone's face. Say what you will about Carver, but what Kenny did had absolutely nothing to do with just keeping himself and the group safe. It was about vengeance and letting out that anger, not survival. Nobody one hundred percent stable would accidentally call a young girl by his deceased son's name.
Kenny, because of his family's death, is more rash than ever - probably even more prone to snapping at the people he cares about (see: Kenny snatching the boxes out of Sarita's hands and saying 'I got it!').
She'd been alone with Clem for 16 months. I think it's possible that if she thought her and Clem being together wouldn't work, she probably would have thought that sometime after Omid died. And let's not forget that when she was captured by bandits and had a gun to her head, she refused to rat Clem out to them.
i disagree, You remember back in the campfire when Clementine and Christa were sitting there at the camp fire, she sighs and says "this wi… morell never work." To me that meant, Clementine and Christa being together. I don't think Christa could forgive Clementine for Omid's death, and secretly blames her. I think she needs to be with somebody who would need her just as much as she would need him.
That is why i suggested Nate. He would be the perfect character in my mind to protect Clementine when stuff goes down, but also be in need of help himself, trying to deal with his own demons, and seeing if he can be redeemed by the end of the story.
But he's not stable.
Nobody one hundred percent okay would brutally smash a crowbar into someone's face. Say what you will about Carver, … morebut what Kenny did had absolutely nothing to do with just keeping himself and the group safe. It was about vengeance and letting out that anger, not survival. Nobody one hundred percent stable would accidentally call a young girl by his deceased son's name.
Kenny, because of his family's death, is more rash than ever - probably even more prone to snapping at the people he cares about (see: Kenny snatching the boxes out of Sarita's hands and saying 'I got it!').
It should be Luke because Kenny is mental unstable where Luke is young and will be around with Clem for awhile
(Please don't get angry at my comment it's just my opinion)
But he's not stable.
Nobody one hundred percent okay would brutally smash a crowbar into someone's face. Say what you will about Carver, … morebut what Kenny did had absolutely nothing to do with just keeping himself and the group safe. It was about vengeance and letting out that anger, not survival. Nobody one hundred percent stable would accidentally call a young girl by his deceased son's name.
Kenny, because of his family's death, is more rash than ever - probably even more prone to snapping at the people he cares about (see: Kenny snatching the boxes out of Sarita's hands and saying 'I got it!').
In my opinion it should of been Christa but we don't know what's happened to her so with that in mind it's got to be between Kenny and Luke!
I hope they find Christa living or dead am sure it would put clem's heart to rest knowing she wasn't in any pain!!
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I would choose Luke, but if it honestly came down to it. Christa.
No offense but she was a better caretaker than Lee (NOT SAYING SHE'S BETTER THAN LEE AS A CHARACTER) and this makes sense since she would most likely research about taking care of kids as she and Omid were most likely planning for a child or she was confirmed pregnant already. Lee kept Clementine alive, and saved her life that is something invaluable, he made Clementine what she is today. Christa on the other hand kept Clementine alive for 16 months.
Put that into perspective, Lee kept Clementine alive for atleast 111 days (It's Day 112 when Clementine is on the outskirts of Savannah, after either killing Lee or leaving him). So 112 days at best.
Christa, on the other hand kept Clementine alive and well until they were attacked during Day 843.
843-112 = 731
Meaning Christa kept Clementine alive for more than six times longer than Lee did. However I felt that events are partially to blame due to the fact that multiple people and their actions risked the entire group, including Clementine.
Either way I would mostly trust Christa if it came down to it, but apart from that then Luke.
Bonnie...
clementine is her own protector. she doesnt need anyone, lee made her the she is.
no one. or christa. or jane.
Which is exactly why without Christa's protection she almost died on her first day by herself. Without other people there such as Luke and Pete, she would end up dead. I find Clementine to be impressivevly independent but not to the point where she is good enough to survive out there.
Respectfully, I must disagree.
Clementine is only 11.
No matter how tough she is, she still needs someone to look after her.
Still way to young to be on her own.
Kenny. One thing I appreciate about his relationship with Clem is the fact that he sees her as more than just the little girl who shouldn't speak when the "adults are talking." When others expressed doubts about whether or not Clem was capable enough to follow through with certain plans, Kenny was right there to back her up...or mostly volunteer her. Some might argue against volunteering an 11 year old to steal a walkie talkie from a dangerous group or risk getting caught by turning the PA on, but I remember from season 1 just how willing Clementine was to help in any way possible. She's bold, resourceful, and intelligent. Kenny sees all of that and has a lot of trust and faith in her. I respected that in my playthrough. I actually tried to play that way with Lee in season one. Protect Clem but treat her as though she's "alive," as Chuck so eloquently once said.
Luke also has a lot of faith in Clem. He's just not as proactive as Kenny....which is probably a good thing though. LOL. There needs to be a balance in there somewhere.
Clem is strong. But she still needs someone who will look out for her. And, hell, I'm just biased. I love Kenny. I think it honestly is because he can be so unlikable one minute then heroic the next. But no matter what, he consistently treats Clem the same....even if, SHOCK, you disagree with him. That was impressive to me. Haha.
Travis, he would know what he was doing.
His dad was in special forces so that just says it all.
Beautifully put and I completely agree 100%. I love Kenny!
Christa.
Lmao sorry, but for real: I think Kenny and Luke aren't exactly parent figures to Clem in the same way Lee was and they might never be. Luke is more of a brother-esque figure, whereas Kenny seems like he'd be the crazy uncle that loves you but also gives you candy for dinner instead of a proper meal. At least Lee thought of giving her whatever food he could, and gave her a sweatshirt (Even though it was a bit immoral taking that car full of supplies.) He is the one who influences all her choices, not Luke and Kenny (Although you can let them sway your opinion through dialog choices.) If I truly had to choose a protector out of the two, I might end up combusting into flames because honestly, one without the other cannot hold up this little girl. She needs both, I think. And I also think she needs Christa, because she can't only have men to influence her. She needs a mother just as much as she needs a father. Sorry for making a longer post than I planned, I'm sure you can forgive me
It's a tough one between Luke and Christa. I'm slightly more inclined to go with Luke. The interactions between Luke and Clementine is one of the only high points of season two for me so far and he's really the only new character I actually like (aside from Sarah), the only one I would actually feel sad if they died.
Kenny is just too dangerous.
i disagree, You remember back in the campfire when Clementine and Christa were sitting there at the camp fire, she sighs and says "this will never work." To me that meant, Clementine and Christa being together. I don't think Christa could forgive Clementine for Omid's death, and secretly blames her. I think she needs to be with somebody who would need her just as much as she would need him.
That is why i suggested Nate. He would be the perfect character in my mind to protect Clementine when stuff goes down, but also be in need of help himself, trying to deal with his own demons, and seeing if he can be redeemed by the end of the story.
Clementine wasted a chance to eat when she killed Sam, she should of ate that dog, letting food go to waste is a big mistake in the Zombie Apocalypse.
I totally agree with you and I also think it should be Kenny.
Clementine is getting stronger and is capable of protecting herself, but she's still a child being alone she wouldn't last long. She may not need a protector, what she needs is guidance and someone positive that would build her up keeping humanity and morals alive in her, as in S2 she appears very depressed and sad.
Kenny is strong and does what ever it takes to protect her, however he doesn't think plans through. His emotions is what drives him, he picks a goal and doesn't even consider the pros and cons eg. (boat,Wellington) He seems like a character that can protect, but won't offer any guidance.
Luke on the other hand is very strategic and prudent, carefully thinks plans through unlike Kenny. In ep.2 he protected Clem offered some guidance on a few matters, although he is a bit too extreme on his morals like not shooting Carver or not killing dogs (only the aggressive ones of course).
Clem needs a little bit of both, so really none of them fit the role fully. If we as player would be forced to pick one of them, I think I would go with Luke. Lets see what will happen in ep.4, maybe something will change.
I think they can both be her protector. Kenny's like an uncle/second-father-to-Lee to Clem and Luke's like a brother to Clem.
Also Christa and Omid (now out of the picture except possibly Christa) were father and mother figures to her.
I really love how you analyze every possible guardian interaction with Clem in a objective matter, and I have to say I agree with everything you've said so far. I'd stay with Kenny not only because he's selfless when it comes to the protection of the folks he cares about, but also because he really does love Clemmy. I think that Kenny, as long as there's someone he can call a family next to him, will be alright and will do everything in his power to keep Clem safe, but he'll also acknowledge her value as a person and won't keep her behind of the action because she's just a "little girl". If Clementine says she can manage, then he'll trust her and will let her be, which is capital when it comes to survival. However, there's a downside to all of this and as much as I adore Kenny I think his reckless and unforgiving nature could be the downfall for him...or maybe that's what will make him keep going. Aaaah! there's so much to analyze lol but yeah, I think the best option for Clem right now is Kenny.
I think the person who came closest to being the protector of Clementine was Pete. But he's kind of out of the picture.
Nobody. Clem doesn't need a protector anymore, she can take care of herself now, se knows how to survive, she just need a group to stick with (and she got it).
Clementine was injured, and losing blood to the point where she almost died and she fainted in front of Luke and Pete. Not to mention there's little wood to scavenge around the place, and she needs to keep moving to find Christa. If she had attempted to cook the dog, she would have fainted and walkers would have eaten her alive.
It's better she moved at least she was able to be rescued by Pete and Luke, that way. Like Lee said you need to keep moving.
No offense but whilst I liked Pete I would not trust him. The simple fact that he wasn't paying attention to notice a walker crawl and bite him on the leg is enough for me. Also I'm not sure why he went to the river with only one bullet despite Nick having several even though it's made clear that Pete knows Nick is a bad shot.
I like Pete, but I can't trust him to protect Clementine though I am thankful he saved her alongside Luke.
i don't think she needs a guardian she changed ALOT sometimes the innocent clem is like some other kid lol clem is much more mentally stronger then kenny aswell after she lost her parent's lee everyone she is still strong boy what a girl though
She had a backpack she could of taken some of the best cuts and saved it for later, so she can eat on the go.
Kenny, the person who cares the most about her.
And even though I do agree she has become better at being self reliant, she can't be independent. Respectfully, she's just an 11 year old girl and a lot of people seem to forget that she would have died while being by herself if it weren't for Pete and Luke saving her.
Kenny's passionate and assertive, not mentally unstable.
Or... by "This will never work" was directed to the failing fire she was standing over.
Maybelle, or juicebox. XD! JK, I'd say Kenny.
Id say both are good, Kenny will do ANYTHING for his family and i think now Clem and Sarita are the only family hes got
left, but he can be reckless sometimes, Luke on the other hand is smart and caring and at dinner he looks even sadder than kenny did if you cjose not to sit with him which shows Clem has really grown on him
I feel the whole point of this season is to show Clementine doesn't need a protector.
But he's not stable.
Nobody one hundred percent okay would brutally smash a crowbar into someone's face. Say what you will about Carver, but what Kenny did had absolutely nothing to do with just keeping himself and the group safe. It was about vengeance and letting out that anger, not survival. Nobody one hundred percent stable would accidentally call a young girl by his deceased son's name.
Kenny, because of his family's death, is more rash than ever - probably even more prone to snapping at the people he cares about (see: Kenny snatching the boxes out of Sarita's hands and saying 'I got it!').
She'd been alone with Clem for 16 months. I think it's possible that if she thought her and Clem being together wouldn't work, she probably would have thought that sometime after Omid died. And let's not forget that when she was captured by bandits and had a gun to her head, she refused to rat Clem out to them.
Yeah, Kenny does seem more ill-willed. Hopefully, Clementine will be able to help him and give him peace.
I love it when someone says that luke is the best option and gets 10 dislikes, while on the other hand whoever says kenny gets 25 likes....
I know right.
This IS the apocalypse though, it's actually kinda hard to find comletely stable people
When the kenny and luke fans clash....... This thread is dangerous.
In my opinion it should of been Christa but we don't know what's happened to her so with that in mind it's got to be between Kenny and Luke!
I hope they find Christa living or dead am sure it would put clem's heart to rest knowing she wasn't in any pain!!
Gledders! X
No one. Clem can take care of herself.
It's really hard to replace such an original character.