I think she just got unlucky at the end.
There were plenty of clones behind Bigby while he was huffing and puffing, but it seems gambled … moreand aimed it at the right way.
The last apparition was the only one that bled that much.
It could also be that Bigby was able to identify her because if you notice, that one Mary is the only one that makes a scared face when Bigby began chagin' up his wind. Like, the rest were souless husks, and she seemed to be the only one expressing fear.
He would have drank his own blood when he lunged, also there were no more clones around. I don't know if you noticed but the wind from the huffing and puffing of Bigby blew even towards the clones behind him. Bloody Mary is dead, but can be revived based on popularity and the glass pieces being combined. Also she hit the wall and survived that, while none of the clones did.
As much as I would like her to be dead, I have my doubts also. A lot of the glass clones just ran away and the one that you kill at the end could very well just be a clone as well. I doubt a S2's villain will have anything to do with the Crooked Man, so if she isn't dead we might see her in a DLC.
@Piggs: That's the point. The clones are made as almost, if not, EXACT replicas, which would mean one would not necessarily weigh more than the others. No clone could be responsible for causing the blood around Bigby's mouth; only the real one could. Besides, I doubt that she would have that much blood to put into at LEAST 100 replicas. I mean, I know she's BLOODY Mary and a Fable, but it's physically impossible.
-With All Due Respect-
Yeah, but it could've left a cut deeper than the other clones did, thus causing the blood around bigby's mouth. It's still pretty ambiguous.… more Telltale could just be trying to throw us off.
EDIT: And on a sidenote, the clone doesn't exactly explode into blood. It turns to smoke like the others; smoke generally symbolizes a trick, or deceit.
@Piggs: He was in shock to see possibly the love of his life beheaded, and on his very door step. He wasn't thinking clearly; I mean, you saw how impatient he was to, in his words, "catch the fucker who did this." As for the side note, he only smokes to deafen the other scents of the city. No matter how hard he tries, he can't get rid of her scent. It stays forever fresh in his mind, no matter where he is.
-With All Due Respect-
If we do, but Bigby can withstand almost any attack unless it's silver. none of the other cuts made him bleed that much so why would that one crusching Bloody Mary make HIM bleed?
Face it. The one he bit at the end was Bloody Mary, that's why there was blood around his mouth and not before because of the other one.
"if the real mary was dead how does a clone still exist with out the original ?" What are you trying to say? Bigby destroyed/killed all clones before he killed Bloody Mary, when he killed her and blood were around his mouth there were no more clones to speak of. So there is no issue to speak of, how ever you came to that conclusion.
if you eat sharp glass you will bleed..
the clones were made of both flesh and glass note,
the clones or reflections of her mostly got… more smashed but the thing about the one 'bleeding' being the real mary, has one issue, if the real mary was dead how does a clone still exist with out the original ?
like the magic mirror in the business office mary could be rebuilt.. for her shards..
You mean the "Special stats"? That's only about characters you actually interact and do some meaningful choices with. Even Nerissa is not on that page but that's because you don't do any meaningful choices when it comes to her, other than the final one which is listen in "Player Choices". Just think about how much nice stuff you can to do TJ, but the only "special stat" listed there is the beetle you get at the end of the game.
Her (Bloody Mary) not being there is no proof of her being alive or "Unknown".
people might not see this on the second page so ill put this here also.
"When you beat the game and it says the fates and what you did to… more all the characters including whether they live or died
Guess who wasn't on that list at all. BLOODY MARY
I think that confirms it as Unknown"
You think and think yet the game states that she would give her life for the Crooked Man several times. It's like you dont even care about the game at all but try to find out your own weird lite stories and try to make them work, even though you have the answer (from the game itself) right in front of your face.
Actually, it doesn't seem that weird to me. She already knows how powerful Bigby is. She knows his story, and she probably knows that she wo… moreuldn't be able to handle him while he's in his full wolf form.
She probably doubts the Crooked Man, too. I don't think she'd be the kind of person to stay on a sinking boat, or give up her life for a cause.
So, she still got the fight that she wanted, and she's got a bigger one in the future. Makes sense to me.
Maybe if you go to pull her ribbon off, it says something about her? Not entirely sure, to be honest.
Either way, I don't think it'll have anything about Mary simply because there aren't any big decisions regarding her.
I agree with the one guy saying she should be listed as dead. The difference between Kenny and Mary was that we never got to see what happened with Kenny. He just walked into a mob of zombies and we never saw or heard anything. Mary on the other hand got bit into several glass pieces, blood were around Bigbys mouth when he ate his final attacker.
I'm also thinking she's still alive.
EDIT: And apparently even the Fables Wiki is having some poll on whether or not she's dead. This is … morea pretty big issue apparently. http://fables.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Das_Wunderbar/Bloody_Mary_-_Dead_or_Unknown?
Maybe if you go to pull her ribbon off, it says something about her? Not entirely sure, to be honest.
Either way, I don't think it'll have anything about Mary simply because there aren't any big decisions regarding her.
But why would he, he could take 20-30 slashes from the glass on his body without really taking much damage or bleed at all, but biting a few glass bodies into pieces makes him bleed around the mouth, and it just happens to be the FINAL one too?
No. The final one was the real Mary, blood was there cause it was her, and now she's dead.
Choices that have a great impact on characters as well. Such as choosing to kill one or not will decide whether they will end up in the special stats or not.
Before she jumped off the railing she pulls a glass shard out her head, if you look closely when bigby bites her it appears she slips it in his eye, the next day on the elevator bigby is rubbing the exact same eye, then at the end you hear bloody Mary say "see you around wolf" get it SEE you. remember at the factory there was a board full of pictures, she has been spying on him through reflections, she also was standing next to bigby in the mirror during the confrontation with crooked man and his gang. i think Mary is alive and still watching him.
He walked into lots of zombies, you hear shooting, you hear no screaming, you dont see what's happened to him and you think HE DIED. You see Bloody Mary get crunched by Bigby, with lots of blood around his mouth and you think SHE SURVIVED.
So when you got no proof of Kenny dying, he was dead, but when you get very conclusive proof that Mary is dead, she's not dead.
I'm sorry i just can't take your thoughts or theories serious anymore.
Funny you mention Kenny here.
He walked into lots of zombies, you hear shooting, you hear no screaming, you dont see what's happened to h… moreim and you think HE DIED. You see Bloody Mary get crunched by Bigby, with lots of blood around his mouth and you think SHE SURVIVED.
So when you got no proof of Kenny dying, he was dead, but when you get very conclusive proof that Mary is dead, she's not dead.
I'm sorry i just can't take your thoughts or theories serious anymore.
No new point? We never discused your weird thinking process before, only mentioning Kenny briefly.
So answer me. Why did you think Kenny died when he walked into a zombie filled place, we dont see him, we dont hear anything, he's just gone and we dont know what happened. Yet, when you get all the info, you see how Bloody Mary perishes, you think she surivied... It's just weird.
^ That, we have not talked about, and an answer would be very interesting.
I said it on another topic and I'll say it again: Bloody Mary is like Voldemort. She just won't stay dead.
Even if that last one was not just one of her mirror copies, I doubt she'll stay down for long. I'm quite partial to the idea of her spirit, legendary as it is, never dying, even if she loses her physical body for a while. For all we know she left something of hers in every mirror she ever frequented and can put herself back together with no problem. (Told you, she's Voldemort in sexy.)
Maybe she can switch her consciousness back and forth between her copies at will and simply jumped into another one when Bigby bit down, maybe she fled way before that, maybe when her main body gets destroyed, she can just inhabit a copy and keep up her merry rampage. And if she was really in such danger of being defeated, you can bet your ass she would have pulled her gun and put a silver bullet into Bigby faster than he can blink.
There are so many ways she could have survived, not to mention that this is Bloody Mary. You can't frickin' tell me she'd just go down like that.
Alright, read this carefully before you downvote it. I'm getting tired of repeating the same points.
They imply Kenny's death pretty heavily. You don't see a corpse, but the implications are decent. You hear what sound like grunts, he's pushing his way through a giant group of zombies without a loaded gun, and he's cut off mid-sentence. Sure, you don't actually see it, but realitically, he seemed pretty dead.
The same applies to Mary. It seems that some of her clones escape during that scene. We can't know for SURE whether or not he really dealt with the final clone. Just because the last clone that fought him was more cautious doesn't mean that it was the "real" Bloody Mary, and just because there was blood in his mouth at the end doesn't mean that it COULDN'T have been his own blood. We don't really know if we've actually seen her corpse or not.
If you've read the comics, you might realize that there are certain fables that have suffered horrible "deaths", only to recover. For all we know, she might even survive as a shattered corpse. Maybe Jersey woke up, went to the industrial facility, and recovered her shattered pieces.
You have to keep in mind, nothing "realistic" has to happen here. Telltale tends to bring characters back, and the Fables series doesn't let powerful fables die easily. If you really think that the writers have ZERO capability to write her in without creating plotholes, you're absurd. Plain and simple.
No new point? We never discused your weird thinking process before, only mentioning Kenny briefly.
So answer me. Why did you think Kenny … moredied when he walked into a zombie filled place, we dont see him, we dont hear anything, he's just gone and we dont know what happened. Yet, when you get all the info, you see how Bloody Mary perishes, you think she surivied... It's just weird.
^ That, we have not talked about, and an answer would be very interesting.
Alright, read this carefully before you downvote it. I'm getting tired of repeating the same points.
They imply Kenny's death pretty heav… moreily. You don't see a corpse, but the implications are decent. You hear what sound like grunts, he's pushing his way through a giant group of zombies without a loaded gun, and he's cut off mid-sentence. Sure, you don't actually see it, but realitically, he seemed pretty dead.
The same applies to Mary. It seems that some of her clones escape during that scene. We can't know for SURE whether or not he really dealt with the final clone. Just because the last clone that fought him was more cautious doesn't mean that it was the "real" Bloody Mary, and just because there was blood in his mouth at the end doesn't mean that it COULDN'T have been his own blood. We don't really know if we've actually seen her corpse or not.
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Before she jumped off the railing she pulls a glass shard out her head, if you look closely when bigby bites her it appears she slips it in … morehis eye, the next day on the elevator bigby is rubbing the exact same eye, then at the end you hear bloody Mary say "see you around wolf" get it SEE you. remember at the factory there was a board full of pictures, she has been spying on him through reflections, she also was standing next to bigby in the mirror during the confrontation with crooked man and his gang. i think Mary is alive and still watching him.
I said it on another topic and I'll say it again: Bloody Mary is like Voldemort. She just won't stay dead.
Even if that last one was not … morejust one of her mirror copies, I doubt she'll stay down for long. I'm quite partial to the idea of her spirit, legendary as it is, never dying, even if she loses her physical body for a while. For all we know she left something of hers in every mirror she ever frequented and can put herself back together with no problem. (Told you, she's Voldemort in sexy.)
Maybe she can switch her consciousness back and forth between her copies at will and simply jumped into another one when Bigby bit down, maybe she fled way before that, maybe when her main body gets destroyed, she can just inhabit a copy and keep up her merry rampage. And if she was really in such danger of being defeated, you can bet your ass she would have pulled her gun and put a silver bullet into Bigby faster than he can blink.
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Before she jumped off the railing she pulls a glass shard out her head, if you look closely when bigby bites her it appears she slips it in … morehis eye, the next day on the elevator bigby is rubbing the exact same eye, then at the end you hear bloody Mary say "see you around wolf" get it SEE you. remember at the factory there was a board full of pictures, she has been spying on him through reflections, she also was standing next to bigby in the mirror during the confrontation with crooked man and his gang. i think Mary is alive and still watching him.
You mean the "Special stats"? That's only about characters you actually interact and do some meaningful choices with. Even Nerissa is not on… more that page but that's because you don't do any meaningful choices when it comes to her, other than the final one which is listen in "Player Choices". Just think about how much nice stuff you can to do TJ, but the only "special stat" listed there is the beetle you get at the end of the game.
Her (Bloody Mary) not being there is no proof of her being alive or "Unknown".
So Glamours, giant monsters from mythologies, and the Woodsman taking an axe to the brain kind of imply that anything can happen? Not to say Bloody Mary survived. But for fuck's sake, BLOODY Mary could've just tossed blood into one of her clones, and fucked off leaving Bigby with the impression she's dead. Or she could've been snapped into fragments. We don't know and this is Telltale. Bloody Mary got good fucking reception and if they plan on a Season Two coming out, then you damn well believe they'll consider pulling her out at some point. They did it with Kenny, they could do it with Mary.
@Piggs: That's the point. The clones are made as almost, if not, EXACT replicas, which would mean one would not necessarily weigh more than … morethe others. No clone could be responsible for causing the blood around Bigby's mouth; only the real one could. Besides, I doubt that she would have that much blood to put into at LEAST 100 replicas. I mean, I know she's BLOODY Mary and a Fable, but it's physically impossible.
-With All Due Respect-
I think she's alive. We didn't see her dead body but instead we saw glass corpses which for all we know could have been duplicates of herself (makes sense because of the mirror thing) or parts of her being. Also she's an urban legend so she might live on because of her myth or some could argue that she could have died but mundies (like girls at a sleepover) will still try and say her name three times in a mirror thinking she will appear. This is just like in the Fables comic when Goldilocks dies but her tale still lives on through "Goldilocks and the Three Bears".
For me, I'm 80% sure she's alive, maybe 85 or 90% even.
If we do, but Bigby can withstand almost any attack unless it's silver. none of the other cuts made him bleed that much so why would that on… moree crusching Bloody Mary make HIM bleed?
Face it. The one he bit at the end was Bloody Mary, that's why there was blood around his mouth and not before because of the other one.
"if the real mary was dead how does a clone still exist with out the original ?" What are you trying to say? Bigby destroyed/killed all clones before he killed Bloody Mary, when he killed her and blood were around his mouth there were no more clones to speak of. So there is no issue to speak of, how ever you came to that conclusion.
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The problem is, we don't know if that was her blood or not. Bigby could've just started bleeding from biting into glass for all we know.
naw, that bitch is dead.
I thought the same thing with Kenny.
He would have drank his own blood when he lunged, also there were no more clones around. I don't know if you noticed but the wind from the huffing and puffing of Bigby blew even towards the clones behind him. Bloody Mary is dead, but can be revived based on popularity and the glass pieces being combined. Also she hit the wall and survived that, while none of the clones did.
As much as I would like her to be dead, I have my doubts also. A lot of the glass clones just ran away and the one that you kill at the end could very well just be a clone as well. I doubt a S2's villain will have anything to do with the Crooked Man, so if she isn't dead we might see her in a DLC.
That last mary actually looked afraid so i don't really think it was a clone and if she is still alive i doubt she'll f*ck with bigby ever again
@Piggs: That's the point. The clones are made as almost, if not, EXACT replicas, which would mean one would not necessarily weigh more than the others. No clone could be responsible for causing the blood around Bigby's mouth; only the real one could. Besides, I doubt that she would have that much blood to put into at LEAST 100 replicas. I mean, I know she's BLOODY Mary and a Fable, but it's physically impossible.
-With All Due Respect-
@Piggs: He was in shock to see possibly the love of his life beheaded, and on his very door step. He wasn't thinking clearly; I mean, you saw how impatient he was to, in his words, "catch the fucker who did this." As for the side note, he only smokes to deafen the other scents of the city. No matter how hard he tries, he can't get rid of her scent. It stays forever fresh in his mind, no matter where he is.
-With All Due Respect-
I initially thought she was dead, but looking back on it now, her fate is actually pretty vague. I'd like to believe that Bigby killed her, though.
If we do, but Bigby can withstand almost any attack unless it's silver. none of the other cuts made him bleed that much so why would that one crusching Bloody Mary make HIM bleed?
Face it. The one he bit at the end was Bloody Mary, that's why there was blood around his mouth and not before because of the other one.
"if the real mary was dead how does a clone still exist with out the original ?" What are you trying to say? Bigby destroyed/killed all clones before he killed Bloody Mary, when he killed her and blood were around his mouth there were no more clones to speak of. So there is no issue to speak of, how ever you came to that conclusion.
You mean the "Special stats"? That's only about characters you actually interact and do some meaningful choices with. Even Nerissa is not on that page but that's because you don't do any meaningful choices when it comes to her, other than the final one which is listen in "Player Choices". Just think about how much nice stuff you can to do TJ, but the only "special stat" listed there is the beetle you get at the end of the game.
Her (Bloody Mary) not being there is no proof of her being alive or "Unknown".
You think and think yet the game states that she would give her life for the Crooked Man several times. It's like you dont even care about the game at all but try to find out your own weird lite stories and try to make them work, even though you have the answer (from the game itself) right in front of your face.
The same characters don't always show up at the end.
I agree with the one guy saying she should be listed as dead. The difference between Kenny and Mary was that we never got to see what happened with Kenny. He just walked into a mob of zombies and we never saw or heard anything. Mary on the other hand got bit into several glass pieces, blood were around Bigbys mouth when he ate his final attacker.
Agreed. Those special stats are about big and meaningful choices that REALLY affects the game (choices you do on certain characters).
But why would he, he could take 20-30 slashes from the glass on his body without really taking much damage or bleed at all, but biting a few glass bodies into pieces makes him bleed around the mouth, and it just happens to be the FINAL one too?
No. The final one was the real Mary, blood was there cause it was her, and now she's dead.
Choices that have a great impact on characters as well. Such as choosing to kill one or not will decide whether they will end up in the special stats or not.
Before she jumped off the railing she pulls a glass shard out her head, if you look closely when bigby bites her it appears she slips it in his eye, the next day on the elevator bigby is rubbing the exact same eye, then at the end you hear bloody Mary say "see you around wolf" get it SEE you. remember at the factory there was a board full of pictures, she has been spying on him through reflections, she also was standing next to bigby in the mirror during the confrontation with crooked man and his gang. i think Mary is alive and still watching him.
Funny you mention Kenny here.
He walked into lots of zombies, you hear shooting, you hear no screaming, you dont see what's happened to him and you think HE DIED. You see Bloody Mary get crunched by Bigby, with lots of blood around his mouth and you think SHE SURVIVED.
So when you got no proof of Kenny dying, he was dead, but when you get very conclusive proof that Mary is dead, she's not dead.
I'm sorry i just can't take your thoughts or theories serious anymore.
Uh...
knowing Telltale, we shouldn't expect someone to be dead if we don't see their corpse.
.....
Really?
Cause I saw Snow White's corpse and she weren't dead.
But yeah, BM still alive, no doubts.
Did you really just reply to the same comment twice?
I wonder if puzzlebox will say anything about this
Funny that's your only response. Guess i was not wrong.
You didn't make any new points though. There's no need for me to respond, just like there was no need for you to post that twice.
No new point? We never discused your weird thinking process before, only mentioning Kenny briefly.
So answer me. Why did you think Kenny died when he walked into a zombie filled place, we dont see him, we dont hear anything, he's just gone and we dont know what happened. Yet, when you get all the info, you see how Bloody Mary perishes, you think she surivied... It's just weird.
^ That, we have not talked about, and an answer would be very interesting.
I said it on another topic and I'll say it again: Bloody Mary is like Voldemort. She just won't stay dead.
Even if that last one was not just one of her mirror copies, I doubt she'll stay down for long. I'm quite partial to the idea of her spirit, legendary as it is, never dying, even if she loses her physical body for a while. For all we know she left something of hers in every mirror she ever frequented and can put herself back together with no problem. (Told you, she's Voldemort in sexy.)
Maybe she can switch her consciousness back and forth between her copies at will and simply jumped into another one when Bigby bit down, maybe she fled way before that, maybe when her main body gets destroyed, she can just inhabit a copy and keep up her merry rampage. And if she was really in such danger of being defeated, you can bet your ass she would have pulled her gun and put a silver bullet into Bigby faster than he can blink.
There are so many ways she could have survived, not to mention that this is Bloody Mary. You can't frickin' tell me she'd just go down like that.
Alright, read this carefully before you downvote it. I'm getting tired of repeating the same points.
They imply Kenny's death pretty heavily. You don't see a corpse, but the implications are decent. You hear what sound like grunts, he's pushing his way through a giant group of zombies without a loaded gun, and he's cut off mid-sentence. Sure, you don't actually see it, but realitically, he seemed pretty dead.
The same applies to Mary. It seems that some of her clones escape during that scene. We can't know for SURE whether or not he really dealt with the final clone. Just because the last clone that fought him was more cautious doesn't mean that it was the "real" Bloody Mary, and just because there was blood in his mouth at the end doesn't mean that it COULDN'T have been his own blood. We don't really know if we've actually seen her corpse or not.
If you've read the comics, you might realize that there are certain fables that have suffered horrible "deaths", only to recover. For all we know, she might even survive as a shattered corpse. Maybe Jersey woke up, went to the industrial facility, and recovered her shattered pieces.
You have to keep in mind, nothing "realistic" has to happen here. Telltale tends to bring characters back, and the Fables series doesn't let powerful fables die easily. If you really think that the writers have ZERO capability to write her in without creating plotholes, you're absurd. Plain and simple.
Fair enough. Thanks for your "opinion" or what ever i should call it.
That makes perfect sence to me! I like this thesis of yours, really much! Good point
Couldn't have said it any better.
I think she would, she does not like to lose and if she not dead I think she would get revenge on Bigby
@MissDRJ: Actually, Narissa/Faith was the one that said "See you around, Wolf" in Episode 1. Also it would have been red if Bloody Mary said it.
I feel like she is just a small piece in a greater plan...
Nerissa was on MY page though ...
I just replayed the episode, Bigby's mouth is covered in blood BEFORE he 'kills' the last of the Mary clones, guys.
Physically impossible.
So Glamours, giant monsters from mythologies, and the Woodsman taking an axe to the brain kind of imply that anything can happen? Not to say Bloody Mary survived. But for fuck's sake, BLOODY Mary could've just tossed blood into one of her clones, and fucked off leaving Bigby with the impression she's dead. Or she could've been snapped into fragments. We don't know and this is Telltale. Bloody Mary got good fucking reception and if they plan on a Season Two coming out, then you damn well believe they'll consider pulling her out at some point. They did it with Kenny, they could do it with Mary.
Ye cause you did something special to her. If you try to take her ribbon in the end she will show up.
I think she's alive. We didn't see her dead body but instead we saw glass corpses which for all we know could have been duplicates of herself (makes sense because of the mirror thing) or parts of her being. Also she's an urban legend so she might live on because of her myth or some could argue that she could have died but mundies (like girls at a sleepover) will still try and say her name three times in a mirror thinking she will appear. This is just like in the Fables comic when Goldilocks dies but her tale still lives on through "Goldilocks and the Three Bears".
For me, I'm 80% sure she's alive, maybe 85 or 90% even.
i give up
yet another MA OPINION IS RIGHT no mateh wot u sai...
i feel sorry for you types of people..
I consider Rizefall's responses here to be very active flamebaiting,
but am certainly aware that responding members have gone too far as well.
Stop it. Please.