Who cares if she is dead or alive? She was created to be the personal bodyguard of the crooked man, the crooked man was the real target not blood mary, people are just coming up theories because they want a second season, just like jersey and tweedle dee, we will never be told what happens to her. She is not in the comics so we can assume she left fable town the same goes for any of the crooked mans employees who are still alive.
I consider Rizefall's responses here to be very active flamebaiting,
but am certainly aware that responding members have gone too far as well.
Stop it. Please.
Who cares if she is dead or alive? She was created to be the personal bodyguard of the crooked man, the crooked man was the real target not … moreblood mary, people are just coming up theories because they want a second season, just like jersey and tweedle dee, we will never be told what happens to her. She is not in the comics so we can assume she left fable town the same goes for any of the crooked mans employees who are still alive.
I don't think she's dead and here's my theory why:
The entire fight sequence is inspired by the end of Terminator 2. It takes places in a foundary, just like the Terminator, and even when Bloody Mary walks it sounds like the T-1000 after he gets spashed with liquid nitrogent (then there was all the clones coming after him like it was that scene in the second Matrix movie -__- ). The only thing that would be missing is if Bigby got stabbed through the chest with an iron rod when he was on the grate walkway and, just after thinking he's dead, he comes back in full wolf form and ripped it out of his chest. Clearly, some of the hot metal is going to pour on the glass and she is going to end up reassembling. Notice how her glass pieces didn't vanish? Hmm???
If you want a more obscure reference, Bloody Mary jumping down to stab full wolf Bigby and failing miserably and getting eaten was probably inspired by Reign of Fire.
Here's something people might find interesting. It turns out, this is the name of the song that plays right before you "kill" Mary. Maybe she really is dead. It's still hard to tell.
I think she is dead until telltale says she is not, just think with kenny from the walking dead, he was dead until they decided to bring him back. Bloody Mary has been given this sort of death so the door is open for her to return in future installnents.
Problem is though that we saw her fucking die, we never did that with Kenny.
And obviously Telltale could go down a route of which you said mentioned but i'd think that is stupid. You dont make such an elaborate death scene and just say FUCK YOU, SHE'S ALIVE.
Physically impossible.
So Glamours, giant monsters from mythologies, and the Woodsman taking an axe to the brain kind of imply that anyth… moreing can happen? Not to say Bloody Mary survived. But for fuck's sake, BLOODY Mary could've just tossed blood into one of her clones, and fucked off leaving Bigby with the impression she's dead. Or she could've been snapped into fragments. We don't know and this is Telltale. Bloody Mary got good fucking reception and if they plan on a Season Two coming out, then you damn well believe they'll consider pulling her out at some point. They did it with Kenny, they could do it with Mary.
Even though i'm a supporter of her "dying" i would not say this confirms much. Technically she is dead, i think it, Bigby probably thinks it too and that scene is just named "killing mary". Nothing else.
Although if anything it could be called "fighting Mary", but who knows.I at least dont think it's proof that she's dead. Mostly just naming what was going on and being very specific.
Here's something people might find interesting. It turns out, this is the name of the song that plays right before you "kill" Mary. Maybe she really is dead. It's still hard to tell.
http://puu.sh/a6MUQ/36db16c8b5.png
Thing is though, why did people think Kenny was dead? I never thought he was. Which ever two scenarios happened, you just see him disappear, not much sound is heard other than small grunts, zombies and perhaps even a gun.
Marry though, she got fucking bit into pieces with BLOOD flying. I still find it weird that people compare these two scenarios, says they think Kenny died but believe Marry survived? O.o WHAT? What's wrong with people!?
I think she is dead until telltale says she is not, just think with kenny from the walking dead, he was dead until they decided to bring him… more back. Bloody Mary has been given this sort of death so the door is open for her to return in future installnents.
I think you are misunderstanding. If Kenny is possibly alive, considering he survived a near-death situation, then Mary is likely to survive.
However, I'm split on whether this happened for Mary. For now, she's dead unless Telltale says she isn't...which is, you can't deny, if not a probability, certainly a possibility that they have such a choice.
Thing is though, why did people think Kenny was dead? I never thought he was. Which ever two scenarios happened, you just see him disappear,… more not much sound is heard other than small grunts, zombies and perhaps even a gun.
Marry though, she got fucking bit into pieces with BLOOD flying. I still find it weird that people compare these two scenarios, says they think Kenny died but believe Marry survived? O.o WHAT? What's wrong with people!?
I think she's alive. She has something to do with the crooked mans downfall. I also think she followed bigby at certain points of his investigation. Her final speech also showed she kind of admired the big bad wolfs violent past, so maybe she fought him just to see the full wolf.
The situations are very different. Comparing them is a mistake from the start. Kenny is a normal human being, he won't survive an axe to the head or being riddled with bullets. With Mary is another story, she is a very popular urban legend mainly consisting of a ghost or a spirit. That alone makes me believe she won't stay gone for long, even if she loses her physical body. Unless a more convincing killing blow is done, which wasn't the case with Bigby.
How can we be sure she didn't left something of hers in every mirror she ever frequented? Or that she didn't switched her consciousness back and forth between her reflections as Bigby got too close? True, we did see blood when Bigby shattered that last reflection, but we also saw blood when Bigby was blowing the other reflections as well.
My point is, fables and urban legends are very hard to kill, and her "death" didn't seem very convincing to me. I can say this based on the comics as well, since at some point another urban legend appears, and he surely didn't got killed so easily.
Thing is though, why did people think Kenny was dead? I never thought he was. Which ever two scenarios happened, you just see him disappear,… more not much sound is heard other than small grunts, zombies and perhaps even a gun.
Marry though, she got fucking bit into pieces with BLOOD flying. I still find it weird that people compare these two scenarios, says they think Kenny died but believe Marry survived? O.o WHAT? What's wrong with people!?
I am almost 100% sure she is dead. There was no indication in her character that she would allow Bigby to win/ hide her true form. You could see during the fight she was growing much more concerned as the fight went on. To me, there is no evidence she is alive.
I am almost 100% sure she is dead. There was no indication in her character that she would allow Bigby to win/ hide her true form. You could… more see during the fight she was growing much more concerned as the fight went on. To me, there is no evidence she is alive.
The situations are very different. Comparing them is a mistake from the start. Kenny is a normal human being, he won't survive an axe to the… more head or being riddled with bullets. With Mary is another story, she is a very popular urban legend mainly consisting of a ghost or a spirit. That alone makes me believe she won't stay gone for long, even if she loses her physical body. Unless a more convincing killing blow is done, which wasn't the case with Bigby.
How can we be sure she didn't left something of hers in every mirror she ever frequented? Or that she didn't switched her consciousness back and forth between her reflections as Bigby got too close? True, we did see blood when Bigby shattered that last reflection, but we also saw blood when Bigby was blowing the other reflections as well.
My point is, fables and urban legends are very hard to kill, and her "death" didn't seem very convincing to me. I can say this based on the comics as w… [view original content]
All of Mary's "reflections" had blood exuded when they were broken. They made a small mist of blood. And if we really want to argue aesthetics why wasn't Bigby's torso not shown bloody since, ya know, he got torn up by like 50 Mary's while being held down to the ground getting shredded. Mary also got Bigby's eye in the last scene. It just wasn't shown on his Wolf model but is shown clearly on his human model. Not trying to diss Telltale but they just really seemed to overlook ALOT of crucial aesthetic changes in this episode.
Thing is though, why did people think Kenny was dead? I never thought he was. Which ever two scenarios happened, you just see him disappear,… more not much sound is heard other than small grunts, zombies and perhaps even a gun.
Marry though, she got fucking bit into pieces with BLOOD flying. I still find it weird that people compare these two scenarios, says they think Kenny died but believe Marry survived? O.o WHAT? What's wrong with people!?
Her ambiguous death is kind of evidence itself. There is also no indication in her character that she would fight honorably. All she's done is take cheap shots on Bigby. She's manipulative and doesn't play by the rules, fleeing at last minute doesn't seem beyond her. Growing concerned? She had the most smug grin when she saw she made Bigby use his final form. The only time I remember her even remotely worried was when Bigby was charging his huff/puff move, which still looked more like confusion than concern.
I am almost 100% sure she is dead. There was no indication in her character that she would allow Bigby to win/ hide her true form. You could… more see during the fight she was growing much more concerned as the fight went on. To me, there is no evidence she is alive.
We don't know that for sure, if telltale thinks of a Season 2 with Bloody Mary in it, they could just update the game to edit the blood on Bigby Wolf's mouth
I really wish Telltale was more clear about what Mary was doing in her last scene with Bigby. Either were led to believe she's nothing like she was built up to be and is an idiot that tries to one shot a giant wolf, she's lost all hope and this is her last desperate attempt to thwart Bigby, or she actually had a plan with that shard. My guess is 100% that she tried to put the shard in Bigby's eye somehow doing something to him. The frame in which Mary breaks makes it seem like she just missed by a milisecond but then the next frame shows no glass shard but just pieces of Mary's body. I'm pretty sure this is what Telltale was trying to imply. The shot after Mary yanks the mirror shard out of her forehead shows her face and she has an expression of "this is the only way to take him down, this is my ace in the hole". The rest of the game we see Bigby have a small cut on his lower lid of his right eye. Later in the game when the trial is over the next day Bigby is shown rubbing his right eye in the elevator.
Bloody Mary can be revived by Greenleaf. Bloody Mary is dead for now, but if there is a season 2 she will be alive because of Greenleaf. If you want me to explain it just ask, but be prepared for a comic spoiler.
Bloody Mary can be revived by Greenleaf. Bloody Mary is dead for now, but if there is a season 2 she will be alive because of Greenleaf. If you want me to explain it just ask, but be prepared for a comic spoiler.
Bigby dies from Prince Brandish by being turned to glass and than shattered to pieces. The witches put 99.99999% of Bigby back together. Bigby's future daughter-in-law puts the last piece in after assuring herself that she'll get married to Bigby's son. The moment the last piece was in place Bigby revived.
Bloody Mary can be revived by Greenleaf. Bloody Mary is dead for now, but if there is a season 2 she will be alive because of Greenleaf. If you want me to explain it just ask, but be prepared for a comic spoiler.
All of Mary's "reflections" had blood exuded when they were broken. They made a small mist of blood. And if we really want to argue aestheti… morecs why wasn't Bigby's torso not shown bloody since, ya know, he got torn up by like 50 Mary's while being held down to the ground getting shredded. Mary also got Bigby's eye in the last scene. It just wasn't shown on his Wolf model but is shown clearly on his human model. Not trying to diss Telltale but they just really seemed to overlook ALOT of crucial aesthetic changes in this episode.
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Who cares if she is dead or alive? She was created to be the personal bodyguard of the crooked man, the crooked man was the real target not blood mary, people are just coming up theories because they want a second season, just like jersey and tweedle dee, we will never be told what happens to her. She is not in the comics so we can assume she left fable town the same goes for any of the crooked mans employees who are still alive.
All right, let's vote.
http://strawpoll.me/2086132
I upvoted him and thought it was a good response. No flamebaiting.
Oh she will be back. I have no doubt about that.
Here is the poll about Bloody Mary's Status:
http://strawpoll.me/2086686
Or people might...you know...like her?
I don't actually care whether we get a second season or not.
I don't think she's dead and here's my theory why:
The entire fight sequence is inspired by the end of Terminator 2. It takes places in a foundary, just like the Terminator, and even when Bloody Mary walks it sounds like the T-1000 after he gets spashed with liquid nitrogent (then there was all the clones coming after him like it was that scene in the second Matrix movie -__- ). The only thing that would be missing is if Bigby got stabbed through the chest with an iron rod when he was on the grate walkway and, just after thinking he's dead, he comes back in full wolf form and ripped it out of his chest. Clearly, some of the hot metal is going to pour on the glass and she is going to end up reassembling. Notice how her glass pieces didn't vanish? Hmm???
If you want a more obscure reference, Bloody Mary jumping down to stab full wolf Bigby and failing miserably and getting eaten was probably inspired by Reign of Fire.
And yes, I just pulled all of that out of my ass.
Most of these strawpolls are a little flawed. Here's one with less definitive answers;
http://strawpoll.me/2088176/r
There are other polls on this, but I'll add it to the OP anyways.
Or if you give her a cigarette at the end.
lmao
I'm nearly positive she's alive. The last line of the game is HER line "see you around...wolf".
He bit alot of the Bloody Mary clones, He only got blood on his mouth on the last one. She is dead.
Plot for Season 2:
Mary: Surprise Bitches, bet you thought you've seen the last of me!
Bigby: Are you fucking kidding me
I think that Bloody Mary, The Crooked Man... all the villains in Season 1 are just a small part of a bigger plot
Here's something people might find interesting. It turns out, this is the name of the song that plays right before you "kill" Mary. Maybe she really is dead. It's still hard to tell.
http://puu.sh/a6MUQ/36db16c8b5.png
The blood was on his mouth before he bit into the last one.
I think she is dead until telltale says she is not, just think with kenny from the walking dead, he was dead until they decided to bring him back. Bloody Mary has been given this sort of death so the door is open for her to return in future installnents.
Problem is though that we saw her fucking die, we never did that with Kenny.
And obviously Telltale could go down a route of which you said mentioned but i'd think that is stupid. You dont make such an elaborate death scene and just say FUCK YOU, SHE'S ALIVE.
Even though i'm a supporter of her "dying" i would not say this confirms much. Technically she is dead, i think it, Bigby probably thinks it too and that scene is just named "killing mary". Nothing else.
Although if anything it could be called "fighting Mary", but who knows.I at least dont think it's proof that she's dead. Mostly just naming what was going on and being very specific.
Thing is though, why did people think Kenny was dead? I never thought he was. Which ever two scenarios happened, you just see him disappear, not much sound is heard other than small grunts, zombies and perhaps even a gun.
Marry though, she got fucking bit into pieces with BLOOD flying. I still find it weird that people compare these two scenarios, says they think Kenny died but believe Marry survived? O.o WHAT? What's wrong with people!?
I think you are misunderstanding. If Kenny is possibly alive, considering he survived a near-death situation, then Mary is likely to survive.
However, I'm split on whether this happened for Mary. For now, she's dead unless Telltale says she isn't...which is, you can't deny, if not a probability, certainly a possibility that they have such a choice.
I think she's alive. She has something to do with the crooked mans downfall. I also think she followed bigby at certain points of his investigation. Her final speech also showed she kind of admired the big bad wolfs violent past, so maybe she fought him just to see the full wolf.
The situations are very different. Comparing them is a mistake from the start. Kenny is a normal human being, he won't survive an axe to the head or being riddled with bullets. With Mary is another story, she is a very popular urban legend mainly consisting of a ghost or a spirit. That alone makes me believe she won't stay gone for long, even if she loses her physical body. Unless a more convincing killing blow is done, which wasn't the case with Bigby.
How can we be sure she didn't left something of hers in every mirror she ever frequented? Or that she didn't switched her consciousness back and forth between her reflections as Bigby got too close? True, we did see blood when Bigby shattered that last reflection, but we also saw blood when Bigby was blowing the other reflections as well.
My point is, fables and urban legends are very hard to kill, and her "death" didn't seem very convincing to me. I can say this based on the comics as well, since at some point another urban legend appears, and he surely didn't got killed so easily.
I am almost 100% sure she is dead. There was no indication in her character that she would allow Bigby to win/ hide her true form. You could see during the fight she was growing much more concerned as the fight went on. To me, there is no evidence she is alive.
Aren't mirrors infinite though?
Like, you put two mirrors opposite each other and it can go on for ever, maybe a similar principle applies to her?
She was a total bitch , i love her . I hope we get to see her again
sorry but she is better villain than Crooked Man 
I see how you took my theory there and ran with it. I should make badges with a picture of Mary and 'sexy Voldemort' written underneath it.
All of Mary's "reflections" had blood exuded when they were broken. They made a small mist of blood. And if we really want to argue aesthetics why wasn't Bigby's torso not shown bloody since, ya know, he got torn up by like 50 Mary's while being held down to the ground getting shredded. Mary also got Bigby's eye in the last scene. It just wasn't shown on his Wolf model but is shown clearly on his human model. Not trying to diss Telltale but they just really seemed to overlook ALOT of crucial aesthetic changes in this episode.
Her ambiguous death is kind of evidence itself. There is also no indication in her character that she would fight honorably. All she's done is take cheap shots on Bigby. She's manipulative and doesn't play by the rules, fleeing at last minute doesn't seem beyond her. Growing concerned? She had the most smug grin when she saw she made Bigby use his final form. The only time I remember her even remotely worried was when Bigby was charging his huff/puff move, which still looked more like confusion than concern.
We don't know that for sure, if telltale thinks of a Season 2 with Bloody Mary in it, they could just update the game to edit the blood on Bigby Wolf's mouth
I really wish Telltale was more clear about what Mary was doing in her last scene with Bigby. Either were led to believe she's nothing like she was built up to be and is an idiot that tries to one shot a giant wolf, she's lost all hope and this is her last desperate attempt to thwart Bigby, or she actually had a plan with that shard. My guess is 100% that she tried to put the shard in Bigby's eye somehow doing something to him. The frame in which Mary breaks makes it seem like she just missed by a milisecond but then the next frame shows no glass shard but just pieces of Mary's body. I'm pretty sure this is what Telltale was trying to imply. The shot after Mary yanks the mirror shard out of her forehead shows her face and she has an expression of "this is the only way to take him down, this is my ace in the hole". The rest of the game we see Bigby have a small cut on his lower lid of his right eye. Later in the game when the trial is over the next day Bigby is shown rubbing his right eye in the elevator.
Bloody Mary can be revived by Greenleaf. Bloody Mary is dead for now, but if there is a season 2 she will be alive because of Greenleaf. If you want me to explain it just ask, but be prepared for a comic spoiler.
Can you explain it to me?
I am ok with spoilers, mainly because I can't really buy the comics where I live
Bigby dies from Prince Brandish by being turned to glass and than shattered to pieces. The witches put 99.99999% of Bigby back together. Bigby's future daughter-in-law puts the last piece in after assuring herself that she'll get married to Bigby's son. The moment the last piece was in place Bigby revived.
Why Greenleaf specifically?
"I thought you were dead!"
"why wasn't Bigby's torso not shown bloody since, ya know, he got torn up by like 50 Mary's while being held down to the ground getting shredded. "
He heals when he goes full wolf.
"Mary also got Bigby's eye in the last scene"
No she didn't he crushed her right before she could