Seriously!?

I have been roaming the forums for a while but have just decided to make an account to express my shock. As we know, episode 4 was filled with many sad and emotional deaths. However, Sarah's death, to me, seemed...off? (Not sure if thats the right word)

I know she was an unpopular character given her attitude in general, but her death just seemed like a cop out for the writers, who in all honesty probably didn't know what to do with her character anymore. Also, her death makes Carlo's death seem so meaningless. I actually liked both of these characters and it seems like their story was all for nothing.

When Carlos died in episode 3, I thought that would be the event that makes Sarah realize the world is not all sunshine and rainbows and would learn to survive, like Clementine did in season 1. The preview at the end of episode 3 made it seem like the main focus of episode 4 would be about helping Sarah get over Carlos' death.

I thought Clementine's freindship would have had a huge impact in this episode, but sadly, it all ended up not meaning anything. The pinky swear did not hold it's weight like everyone thought it would when the season first started. Even when she died, the reaction from the others seemed so weak. What do you all think?

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  • edited July 2014

    I know exactly what you mean. Sarah's fate, especially considering how brutal it is, sickens me. I wanted to help her in every way I could, and I failed. I feel horrible for both Sarah and Carlos; their story was truly a tragic one, and TellTale could have done more with it.

  • I know! I mean if they were planning to kill her off anyway, they could have had her survive to the shootout and get killed there. At least there would've been time to mourn...

  • meh i left her to die

  • Considering how Carlos stated he would "cease to function" it looks like that's pretty much what happens
    Also to quote somebody else what was good wasn't the fact that Sarah stayed alive it's whether or not you actually attempted to save her or left her as a lost cause (or something like that) would you still attemp to save that person even though they're basically useless now?

  • Also if Nick was determinant (I don't even think he said a word other than zombie noises) we find out he has died off screen and is now a walker. Idk about anyone else but that also kind of felt like a cop out. In the third episode, all he did was agree with Luke and in the fourth, he simply dies trying to look for help. He deserved better. Sorry #SaveNick people :(

  • They Killed Sarah only to make Jane leave. They killed ALL my favorita characters in ONE episode. I like Sarah, Nick was the best, Sarita was pretty nice and Rebecca was good too. Plus her frist death is sad. The second just made me hate Luke and Jane for doing NOTHING to help her.

  • It felt like they were cleaning house this episode. Wrapping up a bunch of characters, writing them out, and tightening up the group moving forward. Up until this episode, it really seemed like Clem was teaching Sarah, the same way Lee taught her. Then this episode was like "eh, forget it".

  • edited July 2014

    Except Sarah didn't even die because of her anxiety issues. She died because Luke and Jane were stupid, because the anchoring gave way and because she was unlucky enough to get trapped. So if you got her to come with you in the trailer park, who knows what might have happened? Maybe she would have proven everyone wrong if it hadn't been for her meaningless death.

    I would agree that Clementine's attitude in this holds weight if we actually saw some consequences for having a certain mentality. If Clem's actions or responses changed, if she became overall colder for leaving people behind.

    But like this, we get nothing.

    Whatever you do, Sarah dies. Whatever Clementine does, whatever attitude she has, it still leads to the exact same results.

    Considering how Carlos stated he would "cease to function" it looks like that's pretty much what happens Also to quote somebody else what

  • My Jane was forced to help her due to my choices, but moving that rubble from Sarah was sadly a two person job.

    I'm just mad I didn't get a 'throw down gun' option, I mean I did teach her how to shoot and all...

    Shumisha posted: »

    They Killed Sarah only to make Jane leave. They killed ALL my favorita characters in ONE episode. I like Sarah, Nick was the best, Sarita wa

  • There, we, go. Have an upvote.

    I know! I mean if they were planning to kill her off anyway, they could have had her survive to the shootout and get killed there. At least there would've been time to mourn...

  • To be honest, I tried to save everyone since season one. I tried to save Shawn even though he dies regardless. Even though Larry was an asshole, I tried to revive him. I did not drop Ben in the bell tower, even though he was a detriment to the group. I gave the dying man by the river water and helped Pete even though he was bit.

    I guess you can say I'm the opposite of Jane when it comes to others. Besides, the more people you save, the less walkers you'll have to worry about spawning.

    Considering how Carlos stated he would "cease to function" it looks like that's pretty much what happens Also to quote somebody else what

  • Let's hope the next episode will be a good then. However after those Russians showed up I don't have much hope considering how crappy the voice acting was.

    IndigoHawk posted: »

    It felt like they were cleaning house this episode. Wrapping up a bunch of characters, writing them out, and tightening up the group moving

  • I'm pissed there wasn't an option to jump down myself. Screw survival, I'd have rather gone down with her than watch an innocent girl die like that.

    Hell, ANY of them could have jumped down and helped Jane with the rubble. Two could have moved the rubble, two could have held off the walkers. Instead they were just a bunch of uncaring assholes who left a member of their group to die.

    BlueShadiw posted: »

    My Jane was forced to help her due to my choices, but moving that rubble from Sarah was sadly a two person job. I'm just mad I didn't get a 'throw down gun' option, I mean I did teach her how to shoot and all...

  • You don't get what I mean it isn't about clementines attitude it's LITERALLY about YOUR attitude in the end stuff happens but the question is did you attempt to save her (in both the trailer park and the deck) that's the main point and who said she died BECaUse of her anxiety issues I was referring to the state she was in for most of the episode

    Blackrising posted: »

    Except Sarah didn't even die because of her anxiety issues. She died because Luke and Jane were stupid, because the anchoring gave way and b

  • When we got the option to help her or leave her, I knew then and there that she was marked for death. When she got surrounded while under the deck, I just found my self thinking, "At least let me shoot the poor girl!". It's such a shame honestly, I treated her like I did Clementine in the first season.

    Lahkesis posted: »

    I know exactly what you mean. Sarah's fate, especially considering how brutal it is, sickens me. I wanted to help her in every way I could,

  • There is still absolutely no pay-off. What does MY attitude matter? I roleplay a character, not myself. I don't play the game for soul-searching purposes.

    I don't need empty choices to tell me where my priorities lie.

    You don't get what I mean it isn't about clementines attitude it's LITERALLY about YOUR attitude in the end stuff happens but the question

  • Alright then good for you

    Blackrising posted: »

    There is still absolutely no pay-off. What does MY attitude matter? I roleplay a character, not myself. I don't play the game for soul-searching purposes. I don't need empty choices to tell me where my priorities lie.

  • guess it was just to prove that Carlos pretty much gave her a death sentence when he decided he'd coddle her forever

    Further emphasize Chuck's point and all that

  • In their defence, it probably happened 'all too fast', one second Jane was helping her and the next walkers were right on top of them.

    Atleast Mike and Bonnie shot at the walkers. Luke just stood there.

    Blackrising posted: »

    I'm pissed there wasn't an option to jump down myself. Screw survival, I'd have rather gone down with her than watch an innocent girl die li

  • dojo32161dojo32161 Moderator

    Sure Sarah's death was meaningless, but to me the worst sendoff was for Nick. For gosh sake's, this is one of the few people to get killed off screen, and they did it terribly. He was a determinant character, give their second deaths more flavor! Nick's was terribly used, at least let us find him close to death, not reanimated.

  • Just this...

  • Worse yet when Clem took that first shot I was like "Goodbye, old friend."

    Survives first chop

    "Uh...goodbye...old friend!"

    Survives again

    "Damnit Clem I wanted a good sendoff not a Nick-breadloaf with a side of butter -_-"

    dojo32161 posted: »

    Sure Sarah's death was meaningless, but to me the worst sendoff was for Nick. For gosh sake's, this is one of the few people to get killed o

  • Nick and Sarah's deaths were both upsetting and disappointing, which... honestly in my opinion has some unfortunate implications. These were both characters who struggled a lot with internal issues (depression, anxiety, etc) and a lot of fans who related to them because of that were rooting for them to have their moments. But I guess Telltale doesn't think people like them are worthy of that?

  • Sarah died only for the story plot and actually have to see the bright side of this story ... if there is one however was a little dramatic but you know how it is to be an emo.

  • dojo32161dojo32161 Moderator
    edited July 2014

    Yeah, you'd think they'd be hitting them straight at their cranial now. Honestly, the worst part is that Nick is the most saved determinant character ever (even more than Carley) and his reward is the worst sendoff ever.

    BlueShadiw posted: »

    Worse yet when Clem took that first shot I was like "Goodbye, old friend." Survives first chop "Uh...goodbye...old friend!" Survives again "Damnit Clem I wanted a good sendoff not a Nick-breadloaf with a side of butter -_-"

  • What's the point of teaching Sarah how to shoot a gun?

  • Wait, even more than Carley? But that was a freakin landslide, wasn't it?!

    Wow. Poor Nick. (On a side note, I like your Arvo avatar)

    dojo32161 posted: »

    Yeah, you'd think they'd be hitting them straight at their cranial now. Honestly, the worst part is that Nick is the most saved determinant character ever (even more than Carley) and his reward is the worst sendoff ever.

  • Absolutely.

    Nooooothing.

    Clem4ever posted: »

    What's the point of teaching Sarah how to shoot a gun?

  • dojo32161dojo32161 Moderator

    Thanks and yeah, even more than Carley, here's the stats:

    Who did you save?

    Saved Doug - 24% (I saved him, biggest minority ever)

    Saved Carley - 76%

    Nick's fate?

    Convinced Walter to forgive Nick - 84.4% (Large majority)

    Didn't convince Walter to forgive Nick - 15.6%

    BlueShadiw posted: »

    Wait, even more than Carley? But that was a freakin landslide, wasn't it?! Wow. Poor Nick. (On a side note, I like your Arvo avatar)

  • Do not be so mean it has for a connection of friendship. So Sarah will like you and die happy because she got first friend in his life.

    BlueShadiw posted: »

    Absolutely. Nooooothing.

  • Well, shit.

    Rest in pieces Nick, you and your incredibly naked head without your hat~

    dojo32161 posted: »

    Thanks and yeah, even more than Carley, here's the stats: Who did you save? Saved Doug - 24% (I saved him, biggest minority ever) S

  • Sarah's death actually made me cry ;-;

    I don't know how I feel anymore... Kenny, Luke and Jane had moments in the episode where I just felt like Clementine should just go off without them.

  • dojo32161dojo32161 Moderator

    I will admit, that was a cool hairstyle he was hiding.

    BlueShadiw posted: »

    Well, shit. Rest in pieces Nick, you and your incredibly naked head without your hat~

  • edited July 2014

    Just like in real life, a lot of things you do end up being inconsequential. We want to feel comfort by teaching her how to shoot a gun, but chances are, she won't have the chance to shoot one.

    Clem4ever posted: »

    What's the point of teaching Sarah how to shoot a gun?

  • To be fair, I don't think Sarah stood much of a chance even if she had a gun and knew how to shoot it well.

    BlueShadiw posted: »

    My Jane was forced to help her due to my choices, but moving that rubble from Sarah was sadly a two person job. I'm just mad I didn't get a 'throw down gun' option, I mean I did teach her how to shoot and all...

  • So, we've got, what, five members of the group now, six counting the baby? I'm assuming at least one character gets killed off in the gunfight...

    I get the feeling that by the end of Episode 5, there won't be a group left.

    IndigoHawk posted: »

    It felt like they were cleaning house this episode. Wrapping up a bunch of characters, writing them out, and tightening up the group moving

  • This blew me away...

    Only the strongest will survive.

  • Yes! Nick shouldn't have died offscreen. The reaction to his death was also very lacking.

    ChocoHallic posted: »

    Also if Nick was determinant (I don't even think he said a word other than zombie noises) we find out he has died off screen and is now a wa

  • I agree. Nick's death was obviously just to tie up loose ends.

    ChocoHallic posted: »

    Also if Nick was determinant (I don't even think he said a word other than zombie noises) we find out he has died off screen and is now a wa

  • edited July 2014

    Sarah's death totally surprised me. Sure, I get that she was really fucked up about losing her dad, but damn. I thought for sure Clem would have been able to help her more. I mean, why did TTG stress the importance of being her friend if she was just going to end up like that? It's just not satisfying from a storytelling perspective. I get that it's the apocalypse and that everyone and anyone can go at any time, but it's still a work of fiction in the end. It doesn't have to be 100% true-to-life 100% of the time, so long as it's got a good story and at least some realism to it.

    Sorry you had to go out like that, Sarah.

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