We have:
Ben 2.0 (Nick)
Duck 2.0 (Sarah)
Lee 2.0 (Mike)
Katjaa 2.0 (Sarita)
Sarah's annoying, but she had the possibility to … moregrow up like Clem, and if we had a Chuck 2.0 we could have had a Clementine 2.0, but telltale just killed her off while Mike,Bonnie,Luke,and Jane were playing rock paper scisscors up on the deck.
I agree.
When we first met Clem, even though she was young, she was still smart and not totally helpless. After all, she climbed out of the treehouse to give Lee the hammer in order for him to kill the babysitter walker--- Clem needed direction, but she still wanted to survive.
Even in episode one, when the zombies were breaking down the doors to the pharmacy, Clem ran off to find the cane for Lee... she could always be counted on when things got crazy. Sarah runs and hides or breaks down when things get crazy.
Sarah just never seemed to have the same urge to live...to fight...
I keep hearing the same thing over and over from people who disliked Sarah,that she was a lamb to the slaughter,she was helpless,she was weak,and i say B.S.
she was one of the ONLY characters left with her humanity intact,no she didn't know how to ninja jump a fence or take out 3 walkers at once,she was wrote HUMAN with real emotions,not some drone with lifeless features.Lee was right 'trust nobody' that includes Jane,She has been around five minutes and now she is Molly 2.0 and the savior of characters...i don't think so...
she was wrote into oblivion in episode 4,it was almost an inside joke that she was forced to die twice,even after you saved her,Jane was Telltale in this episode 'you still haven't saved her'... Clementine turning into Carver to get her to move was disgusting and not wrote or told with any care.
I disliked Sarah all season. At first she came off as this spoiled annoying brat, but then it was clear it's not her fault but her fathers f… moreor his over-protectiveness which created this helpless lamb in a world of wolves.... walking dead wolves.
Clementine had no duty to her, to protect her, to risk her own life for her. Nor for anyone else in that group, for that matter since E1S2, and the hostility she was treated with. Apologies later on are pointless, when they were willing to let her die or even kill her, instead of lending a hand when she was wounded and in need of help. - that's why I usually sided with Kenny. He has proven his loyalty in S1 and surviving this long after what he went trough - that's a man you have to respect, in times like that.
So, like my Lee told Clementine in his dying moments: trust nobody.... and like Jane said: don't let them pull you down with them.
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You see her as the only one having humanity, I see her as the most naive of them all, and nothing more. Humanity does not resume to loving and positive emotions. It's a mix of good and bad. And in dark times as the game is trying to depict, it's survival of the fittest.
Now, as far as the writing on this goes, they probably could have given Sarah a bit more time until the final episode. But she would have gotten killed off eventually. Personally I don't mind how it went, but then again, I made it clear I wasn't a fan of her.
I also don't see Clementine turning into a Carver. What are you talking about? A slap? Carver was a power hungry maniac who kept people under his thumb. Clementine slaps Sarah to make her snap out of her shock moment. That's hardly comparable. What would you have her do? Hug her till she gets up? Perhaps offer her cookies? Seriously I don't understand...
I keep hearing the same thing over and over from people who disliked Sarah,that she was a lamb to the slaughter,she was helpless,she was wea… morek,and i say B.S.
she was one of the ONLY characters left with her humanity intact,no she didn't know how to ninja jump a fence or take out 3 walkers at once,she was wrote HUMAN with real emotions,not some drone with lifeless features.Lee was right 'trust nobody' that includes Jane,She has been around five minutes and now she is Molly 2.0 and the savior of characters...i don't think so...
she was wrote into oblivion in episode 4,it was almost an inside joke that she was forced to die twice,even after you saved her,Jane was Telltale in this episode 'you still haven't saved her'... Clementine turning into Carver to get her to move was disgusting and not wrote or told with any care.
Sarah had emotional/mental/grieving problems when she was in the trailer,she had saw the only person that truly loved her ripped apart right infront of her,her dad was her world,reminding her of the slap Carlos gave her by doing it again to get her to move was a pathetic example of just how Telltale forgot to write this episode and would of done untold damage to an already fragile state of mind.
You see her as the only one having humanity, I see her as the most naive of them all, and nothing more. Humanity does not resume to loving a… morend positive emotions. It's a mix of good and bad. And in dark times as the game is trying to depict, it's survival of the fittest.
Now, as far as the writing on this goes, they probably could have given Sarah a bit more time until the final episode. But she would have gotten killed off eventually. Personally I don't mind how it went, but then again, I made it clear I wasn't a fan of her.
I also don't see Clementine turning into a Carver. What are you talking about? A slap? Carver was a power hungry maniac who kept people under his thumb. Clementine slaps Sarah to make her snap out of her shock moment. That's hardly comparable. What would you have her do? Hug her till she gets up? Perhaps offer her cookies? Seriously I don't understand...
I disliked Sarah all season. At first she came off as this spoiled annoying brat, but then it was clear it's not her fault but her fathers f… moreor his over-protectiveness which created this helpless lamb in a world of wolves.... walking dead wolves.
Clementine had no duty to her, to protect her, to risk her own life for her. Nor for anyone else in that group, for that matter since E1S2, and the hostility she was treated with. Apologies later on are pointless, when they were willing to let her die or even kill her, instead of lending a hand when she was wounded and in need of help. - that's why I usually sided with Kenny. He has proven his loyalty in S1 and surviving this long after what he went trough - that's a man you have to respect, in times like that.
So, like my Lee told Clementine in his dying moments: trust nobody.... and like Jane said: don't let them pull you down with them.
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Clem was designed to be as 'useful' and 'likable' as possible, so of course she wouldn't be written as doing anything to irritate the player (until she leaves them in Episode 4).
Sarah's strange because she behaves like no 15 year old I've ever met, but I appreciate her for making the most positive impression of any character in Season 2. She was kept isolated from the group's decisions by her self-righteous father, was desperate for companionship, HELPED Clementine with no strings attached, and was a child. It's disturbing how little people seem to care about children in this series.
I agree.
When we first met Clem, even though she was young, she was still smart and not totally helpless. After all, she climbed out of the… more treehouse to give Lee the hammer in order for him to kill the babysitter walker--- Clem needed direction, but she still wanted to survive.
Even in episode one, when the zombies were breaking down the doors to the pharmacy, Clem ran off to find the cane for Lee... she could always be counted on when things got crazy. Sarah runs and hides or breaks down when things get crazy.
Sarah just never seemed to have the same urge to live...to fight...
that's kinda disturbing to like it when a kid dies even when its a video game. that's like me thinking yes all children should get their little throats slit.
that's kinda disturbing to like it when a kid dies even when its a video game. that's like me thinking yes all children should get their little throats slit.
Yeah. Few people are critical of Carlos for being so close-minded and self-righteous about his paternalistic attitude. He was willing to l… moreet a little girl possibly die rather than let Sarah see another child, and has the gall to threaten Clem when she calls him out on his mistake. Sarah was a socially retarded, physically inept woman-child because Carlos refused to move on. Since she was 13 when the apocalypse happened yet acts like an 8 year old, I get the sense that she was highly sheltered long before civilization collapsed.
For contrast, Christa is introduced after the 16-month skip by telling Clem that the girl needs to learn how to hunt and cook for herself, with her lines implying a certain fear that she would die before Clem without teaching her enough to survive. Carlos' unwillingness to ever let her experience pain, while well-intentioned, gave her a mental shock when Carver made him hurt her with the misguided notion that "… [view original content]
No the most horrible and gruesome death is probably mark (having your legs chopped off and used for good and left to bleed out) or en (breaking you legs and then being eaten alive)
Since amid the ruins was released I unfortunately encountered many Sarah haters and all of them never had solid arguments as to why they hat… moreed her. I was shocked at first to see all this hatred people had towards an innocent and mentally fragile young girl that had just lost her dad. But I've sadly come to accept that we just don't think the same and not everyone has a big heart. It's your own problem if you don't like Sarah and didn't care that she died, however to actually be happy about it and celebrate her death (which was probably the most horrible and gruesome one we ever saw in the game) is something entirely different and it's pretty disturbing I think. It's jus not right even if it's just a videogame character, it's not okay to take pleasure in seeing a child die like that no matter what you think about that person. And by the way, Sarah never actually did anything wrong in the game, she even helped Clem in episode 1.
I don't try and save people anymore, they're doomed as soon as the choice comes up, they're either useless to the plot or will die anyway shortly after
Sarah had emotional/mental/grieving problems when she was in the trailer,she had saw the only person that truly loved her ripped apart right… more infront of her,her dad was her world,reminding her of the slap Carlos gave her by doing it again to get her to move was a pathetic example of just how Telltale forgot to write this episode and would of done untold damage to an already fragile state of mind.
Yes. Like Rick said. Clemmy1 it just seems that if the writing doesn't suit your points of view, then it's sloppy. If you're some psychiatrist who has deal with cases like this in reality then, I guess you're right and I'm wrong.... but I doubt you are.. so it's a matter of points of view.
I already said this... because she is weak and pulls down the group. How many times does someone have to repeat this... You make it sound like it's against the fucking law to dislike someone if they are helpless and weak minded...
Wake up buddy... there are many people in the world with different mind sets and not all of us share your tastes in liking people and characters. Accept it or just keep bashing us with caps lock while flailing your wings around like a headless chicken. I don't care either way... I'm not going to repeat what I said more than twice.
Something I am curious about regarding Sarah supporters - what was your opinion of Ben? Because Ben was really only two years older than Sarah, yet people seem to have much less sympathy for him in general and treated him like an incompetent adult when 17 is really still as much of a kid as 15 is. I understand Sarah was sheltered, but given she had been in the apocalypse for over two years, no amount of sheltering could possibly blind her to the fact that the world around her is absolute shit and she should, at the very least, try to keep herself safe so as to not endanger the people around her that try to do what she can't. Ben was an absolute screw up, but the apocalypse was a fairly new thing back then, and him, being also "just a kid" with little to no guidance most of the time, had a tougher time adapting to the changes, but people tend to be far less forgiving of his mistakes despite the fact he did genuinely try to help.
I'm not sticking up for Ben because he did screw up royally a lot, but I just don't understand the difference in treatment between Sarah and Ben. Is it because Sarah is small and cute and fragile-looking, while Ben is more of a man-shaped kid? Is it because Sarah possibly has a learning disability or is mentally challenged? Would you also love Ben if it was revealed he led a very sheltered life at home, too?
I liked and supported both. It was easy for me to feel sorry for Ben because he was just a scared kid, and Sarah because she had been sheltered her entire life, plus she had severe anxiety.
Something I am curious about regarding Sarah supporters - what was your opinion of Ben? Because Ben was really only two years older than Sar… moreah, yet people seem to have much less sympathy for him in general and treated him like an incompetent adult when 17 is really still as much of a kid as 15 is. I understand Sarah was sheltered, but given she had been in the apocalypse for over two years, no amount of sheltering could possibly blind her to the fact that the world around her is absolute shit and she should, at the very least, try to keep herself safe so as to not endanger the people around her that try to do what she can't. Ben was an absolute screw up, but the apocalypse was a fairly new thing back then, and him, being also "just a kid" with little to no guidance most of the time, had a tougher time adapting to the changes, but people tend to be far less forgiving of his mistakes despite the fact he did genuinely try to help.
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Something I am curious about regarding Sarah supporters - what was your opinion of Ben? Because Ben was really only two years older than Sar… moreah, yet people seem to have much less sympathy for him in general and treated him like an incompetent adult when 17 is really still as much of a kid as 15 is. I understand Sarah was sheltered, but given she had been in the apocalypse for over two years, no amount of sheltering could possibly blind her to the fact that the world around her is absolute shit and she should, at the very least, try to keep herself safe so as to not endanger the people around her that try to do what she can't. Ben was an absolute screw up, but the apocalypse was a fairly new thing back then, and him, being also "just a kid" with little to no guidance most of the time, had a tougher time adapting to the changes, but people tend to be far less forgiving of his mistakes despite the fact he did genuinely try to help.
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How many bets this is one of PewDiePie's little ten year old, obsessive fan. Seriously? You're happy that a fifteen year old girl was devoured by walkers, when she had been broken down, lost her father, and have obvious anxiety issues? Never have children, don't pollute this Earth no more than it already is.
I felt sympathy for BOTH Ben and Sarah, I actually got pissed off when people genuinely laughed when Ben died, I mean, he's young, he makes mistakes, at least try to put yourself into his shoes, and realize what the whole situation is like for him.
Something I am curious about regarding Sarah supporters - what was your opinion of Ben? Because Ben was really only two years older than Sar… moreah, yet people seem to have much less sympathy for him in general and treated him like an incompetent adult when 17 is really still as much of a kid as 15 is. I understand Sarah was sheltered, but given she had been in the apocalypse for over two years, no amount of sheltering could possibly blind her to the fact that the world around her is absolute shit and she should, at the very least, try to keep herself safe so as to not endanger the people around her that try to do what she can't. Ben was an absolute screw up, but the apocalypse was a fairly new thing back then, and him, being also "just a kid" with little to no guidance most of the time, had a tougher time adapting to the changes, but people tend to be far less forgiving of his mistakes despite the fact he did genuinely try to help.
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I liked Sarah infinitely more than I liked Ben, but not just because she was a sheltered girl.
Ben, though well-meaning, was still irritatingly self-serving. He leaves Clem to die in Savannah, and he ungratefully betrayed a group of people that took him in, protected him, gave him a share of their dwindling supplies even though he gave them nothing in return, and in Clem's case, actually befriended him. All for an imaginary classmate.
Meanwhile, Sarah was consistently supportive of Clem. She stole medical supplies from her group to help a total stranger, and befriended her and tried to keep her spirits up (if you refuse to take her photo, Sarah explains she was just trying to cheer Clem up). She even stands up to Carver in the beginning of Episode 3 if he hits Clem. Pretty impressive for a girl with crippling anxiety.
And I feel like people don't give Sarah enough credit when it comes to "keeping herself safe". Even with her overprotective father impeding her development, Sarah realized on some level that being sheltered wasn't a good thing. She's the one who urges Clem to teach her how to use a gun after all. And her response if Clem tells her it's too dangerous is, "everything is dangerous. I need to know sometimes." The same piece of wisdom Lee could've shared with Clem back in Season 1. If it weren't for Carlos, I'm willing to bet Sarah could have adapted eventually.
There's also the fact that Ben was partly responsible for, like, a dozen deaths. If he'd fessed up to the deal, Lilly wouldn't have become super paranoid and murdered someone, and the group could've kept the deal going until the RV was fixed, after which they could've all secretly drove away from Macon without any gunfights. And he also chose the worst possible moment to tell Kenny about the deal, leading to Brie's death. He wasn't wholly responsible for these deaths, but it doesn't change how if he'd been less thoughtless, everyone would've been better off.
Sarah got, what, two people killed? Maybe? Even then, you'd think Carver deserved more blame for Reggie's death, and Kenny was far more responsible for Sarita's death than Sarah was, what with his holding everyone up with his unnecessarily drawn-out method of murder, leading to the group getting caught by Troy, leading to everyone getting shot at by Tavia.
Something I am curious about regarding Sarah supporters - what was your opinion of Ben? Because Ben was really only two years older than Sar… moreah, yet people seem to have much less sympathy for him in general and treated him like an incompetent adult when 17 is really still as much of a kid as 15 is. I understand Sarah was sheltered, but given she had been in the apocalypse for over two years, no amount of sheltering could possibly blind her to the fact that the world around her is absolute shit and she should, at the very least, try to keep herself safe so as to not endanger the people around her that try to do what she can't. Ben was an absolute screw up, but the apocalypse was a fairly new thing back then, and him, being also "just a kid" with little to no guidance most of the time, had a tougher time adapting to the changes, but people tend to be far less forgiving of his mistakes despite the fact he did genuinely try to help.
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While I did save Ben and defend him in season 1, I think that I still can understand better why some people would start hating him whereas for Sarah it's really hard to figure out why. Ben actually got people killed, he voluntarily endangered the group by giving supplies to the bandits and he sometimes did really stupid things that got everyone in serious trouble (like taking that axe that was blocking the door). But Sarah never did anyting wrong.She offers to help you in episode 1 when she could have warned the others of your presence instead.She considered Clem as her friend from the very start.The only moment that I can think of when she did something that led to some trouble was when she interrupted Carver at the camp. And even for that, she was the only one to suffer the consequences, she was the one who was slapped by her father, no one else got in trouble.So I think that some people just don't have enough empathy towards people who are different and who have mental problems like Sarah might have had.
Something I am curious about regarding Sarah supporters - what was your opinion of Ben? Because Ben was really only two years older than Sar… moreah, yet people seem to have much less sympathy for him in general and treated him like an incompetent adult when 17 is really still as much of a kid as 15 is. I understand Sarah was sheltered, but given she had been in the apocalypse for over two years, no amount of sheltering could possibly blind her to the fact that the world around her is absolute shit and she should, at the very least, try to keep herself safe so as to not endanger the people around her that try to do what she can't. Ben was an absolute screw up, but the apocalypse was a fairly new thing back then, and him, being also "just a kid" with little to no guidance most of the time, had a tougher time adapting to the changes, but people tend to be far less forgiving of his mistakes despite the fact he did genuinely try to help.
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That's not a good reason. You can't just say "Well being gay is wrong because it's GAY." At least give me a valid reason of why you think loving somebody of the same gender is wrong.
I didn't feel much, although I cried several times in the series before. For me it is like another user said: if there is a situation, where you know a character could die if you make a certain decision, then this character will die anyway soon after even if you decide against that option. Your actions have no impact on the world and in this episode for me that was very prominent, because really none of the decisions I took mattered. And this leaves the player in a "Seligman experiment"-like helplessness. This has a serious impact on the emotions I feel in the game. As long as I feel partly responsible for a situation, I feel a lot more. But now I just know there is nothing I can do, so it leaves me ... cold, I guess. This isn't my story, it isn't about my choices.
Situations in the last episode, that didn't matter for me:
1. chose to save Sarah (2x) --> Luke tells us when walking back in a weird way that he feels guilty, although we saved Sarah.
2. later chose to save Sarah again --> she dies horribly and just by "bad luck" instead of her mood or fear (final destination?) and Jane takes it as an excuse to leave anyway.
3. Didn't steal from the Russian Arvo --> The russians show up and tell me that we were stealing from them all the same.
4. Waited a day or two after childbirth to continue walking because of Rebecca --> everyone seems to be mad at Kenny for pressing on still and Rebecca just randomly dies all the same (to quote Kenny "she is worse now" - why?).
5. Didn't shot Rebecca to not let the situation escalate --> so Rebecca was shot by Kenny and the situation escalated.
I know the story cannot be perfect for all of the people, but it really would be nice if the choices were in situations, where it would make a difference. You know, like a situation where you can decide on saving one character and that makes another character leave the group or where you could chose for water or food, for save shelter or medical supplies, for one place to sleep or another, let us shoot Arvo or not etc. If that is too difficult in programming just let us decide on stuff that affects people around us and how they like or see us. But don't just invalidate our choices right away after we took them.
I still don't understand why the writers insist on killing characters consistently. What does it matter if in one playthrough a character leaves never to be seen again, while in another playthrough he/she dies? I would have liked this for Sarah, to disappear in a tricky situation and hope she will make it in this world like Clementine did if you made some choices and motivated her enough. Why can't we have that?
Something I am curious about regarding Sarah supporters - what was your opinion of Ben? Because Ben was really only two years older than Sar… moreah, yet people seem to have much less sympathy for him in general and treated him like an incompetent adult when 17 is really still as much of a kid as 15 is. I understand Sarah was sheltered, but given she had been in the apocalypse for over two years, no amount of sheltering could possibly blind her to the fact that the world around her is absolute shit and she should, at the very least, try to keep herself safe so as to not endanger the people around her that try to do what she can't. Ben was an absolute screw up, but the apocalypse was a fairly new thing back then, and him, being also "just a kid" with little to no guidance most of the time, had a tougher time adapting to the changes, but people tend to be far less forgiving of his mistakes despite the fact he did genuinely try to help.
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RESPECT !
Please stop to compare Clementine with Sarah.Clementine make a lot of good things in season 1.If you want to blame someone,blame Carlos.Come on,bring me 1000 downvotes,I dare you !
I agree, but not maybe as harsh as you. Everyone was just delaying her death, but she was too weak-minded to grasp how the world was supposed to be like. It was only a matter of time, and I'm happy that she didn't have to see too many horrors before she passed.
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I agree.
When we first met Clem, even though she was young, she was still smart and not totally helpless. After all, she climbed out of the treehouse to give Lee the hammer in order for him to kill the babysitter walker--- Clem needed direction, but she still wanted to survive.
Even in episode one, when the zombies were breaking down the doors to the pharmacy, Clem ran off to find the cane for Lee... she could always be counted on when things got crazy. Sarah runs and hides or breaks down when things get crazy.
Sarah just never seemed to have the same urge to live...to fight...
I keep hearing the same thing over and over from people who disliked Sarah,that she was a lamb to the slaughter,she was helpless,she was weak,and i say B.S.
she was one of the ONLY characters left with her humanity intact,no she didn't know how to ninja jump a fence or take out 3 walkers at once,she was wrote HUMAN with real emotions,not some drone with lifeless features.Lee was right 'trust nobody' that includes Jane,She has been around five minutes and now she is Molly 2.0 and the savior of characters...i don't think so...
she was wrote into oblivion in episode 4,it was almost an inside joke that she was forced to die twice,even after you saved her,Jane was Telltale in this episode 'you still haven't saved her'... Clementine turning into Carver to get her to move was disgusting and not wrote or told with any care.
You see her as the only one having humanity, I see her as the most naive of them all, and nothing more. Humanity does not resume to loving and positive emotions. It's a mix of good and bad. And in dark times as the game is trying to depict, it's survival of the fittest.
Now, as far as the writing on this goes, they probably could have given Sarah a bit more time until the final episode. But she would have gotten killed off eventually. Personally I don't mind how it went, but then again, I made it clear I wasn't a fan of her.
I also don't see Clementine turning into a Carver. What are you talking about? A slap? Carver was a power hungry maniac who kept people under his thumb. Clementine slaps Sarah to make her snap out of her shock moment. That's hardly comparable. What would you have her do? Hug her till she gets up? Perhaps offer her cookies? Seriously I don't understand...
Sarah had emotional/mental/grieving problems when she was in the trailer,she had saw the only person that truly loved her ripped apart right infront of her,her dad was her world,reminding her of the slap Carlos gave her by doing it again to get her to move was a pathetic example of just how Telltale forgot to write this episode and would of done untold damage to an already fragile state of mind.
Duck was supposed to be childish, and at times annoying. Lee found him annoying in episode 3, and alot of people felt that too. I like Duck though
I hate sarah...but I hate even more when tell tale made her die regardless of choices
How can you dislike her when you realize it ISN'T HER FAULT? Dislike Carlos, dislike Carver, dislike Jane for writing her off.
Clem was designed to be as 'useful' and 'likable' as possible, so of course she wouldn't be written as doing anything to irritate the player (until she leaves them in Episode 4).
Sarah's strange because she behaves like no 15 year old I've ever met, but I appreciate her for making the most positive impression of any character in Season 2. She was kept isolated from the group's decisions by her self-righteous father, was desperate for companionship, HELPED Clementine with no strings attached, and was a child. It's disturbing how little people seem to care about children in this series.
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that's kinda disturbing to like it when a kid dies even when its a video game. that's like me thinking yes all children should get their little throats slit.
It's usually rotten children who think that.
i love sarah....when she gets eaten alive...
I don't see where you get the "few" people criticize carlos it's a LOT more than a few
No the most horrible and gruesome death is probably mark (having your legs chopped off and used for good and left to bleed out) or en (breaking you legs and then being eaten alive)
I don't try and save people anymore, they're doomed as soon as the choice comes up, they're either useless to the plot or will die anyway shortly after
It's either getting slapped or getting eaten they were about to bust it open and she still couldn't be convinced what would you do
Yes. Like Rick said. Clemmy1 it just seems that if the writing doesn't suit your points of view, then it's sloppy. If you're some psychiatrist who has deal with cases like this in reality then, I guess you're right and I'm wrong.... but I doubt you are.. so it's a matter of points of view.
I already said this... because she is weak and pulls down the group. How many times does someone have to repeat this... You make it sound like it's against the fucking law to dislike someone if they are helpless and weak minded...
Wake up buddy... there are many people in the world with different mind sets and not all of us share your tastes in liking people and characters. Accept it or just keep bashing us with caps lock while flailing your wings around like a headless chicken. I don't care either way... I'm not going to repeat what I said more than twice.
Something I am curious about regarding Sarah supporters - what was your opinion of Ben? Because Ben was really only two years older than Sarah, yet people seem to have much less sympathy for him in general and treated him like an incompetent adult when 17 is really still as much of a kid as 15 is. I understand Sarah was sheltered, but given she had been in the apocalypse for over two years, no amount of sheltering could possibly blind her to the fact that the world around her is absolute shit and she should, at the very least, try to keep herself safe so as to not endanger the people around her that try to do what she can't. Ben was an absolute screw up, but the apocalypse was a fairly new thing back then, and him, being also "just a kid" with little to no guidance most of the time, had a tougher time adapting to the changes, but people tend to be far less forgiving of his mistakes despite the fact he did genuinely try to help.
I'm not sticking up for Ben because he did screw up royally a lot, but I just don't understand the difference in treatment between Sarah and Ben. Is it because Sarah is small and cute and fragile-looking, while Ben is more of a man-shaped kid? Is it because Sarah possibly has a learning disability or is mentally challenged? Would you also love Ben if it was revealed he led a very sheltered life at home, too?
I liked and supported both. It was easy for me to feel sorry for Ben because he was just a scared kid, and Sarah because she had been sheltered her entire life, plus she had severe anxiety.
Clear enough for ya?
And what's wrong with being gay?
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How many bets this is one of PewDiePie's little ten year old, obsessive fan. Seriously? You're happy that a fifteen year old girl was devoured by walkers, when she had been broken down, lost her father, and have obvious anxiety issues? Never have children, don't pollute this Earth no more than it already is.
I felt sympathy for BOTH Ben and Sarah, I actually got pissed off when people genuinely laughed when Ben died, I mean, he's young, he makes mistakes, at least try to put yourself into his shoes, and realize what the whole situation is like for him.
I liked Sarah infinitely more than I liked Ben, but not just because she was a sheltered girl.
Ben, though well-meaning, was still irritatingly self-serving. He leaves Clem to die in Savannah, and he ungratefully betrayed a group of people that took him in, protected him, gave him a share of their dwindling supplies even though he gave them nothing in return, and in Clem's case, actually befriended him. All for an imaginary classmate.
Meanwhile, Sarah was consistently supportive of Clem. She stole medical supplies from her group to help a total stranger, and befriended her and tried to keep her spirits up (if you refuse to take her photo, Sarah explains she was just trying to cheer Clem up). She even stands up to Carver in the beginning of Episode 3 if he hits Clem. Pretty impressive for a girl with crippling anxiety.
And I feel like people don't give Sarah enough credit when it comes to "keeping herself safe". Even with her overprotective father impeding her development, Sarah realized on some level that being sheltered wasn't a good thing. She's the one who urges Clem to teach her how to use a gun after all. And her response if Clem tells her it's too dangerous is, "everything is dangerous. I need to know sometimes." The same piece of wisdom Lee could've shared with Clem back in Season 1. If it weren't for Carlos, I'm willing to bet Sarah could have adapted eventually.
There's also the fact that Ben was partly responsible for, like, a dozen deaths. If he'd fessed up to the deal, Lilly wouldn't have become super paranoid and murdered someone, and the group could've kept the deal going until the RV was fixed, after which they could've all secretly drove away from Macon without any gunfights. And he also chose the worst possible moment to tell Kenny about the deal, leading to Brie's death. He wasn't wholly responsible for these deaths, but it doesn't change how if he'd been less thoughtless, everyone would've been better off.
Sarah got, what, two people killed? Maybe? Even then, you'd think Carver deserved more blame for Reggie's death, and Kenny was far more responsible for Sarita's death than Sarah was, what with his holding everyone up with his unnecessarily drawn-out method of murder, leading to the group getting caught by Troy, leading to everyone getting shot at by Tavia.
I feel so bad that she didn't make it. I feel like I failed to keep her safe.
Rest in peace, Sarah.
1999-2014.
She is finally reunited with her father.
While I did save Ben and defend him in season 1, I think that I still can understand better why some people would start hating him whereas for Sarah it's really hard to figure out why. Ben actually got people killed, he voluntarily endangered the group by giving supplies to the bandits and he sometimes did really stupid things that got everyone in serious trouble (like taking that axe that was blocking the door). But Sarah never did anyting wrong.She offers to help you in episode 1 when she could have warned the others of your presence instead.She considered Clem as her friend from the very start.The only moment that I can think of when she did something that led to some trouble was when she interrupted Carver at the camp. And even for that, she was the only one to suffer the consequences, she was the one who was slapped by her father, no one else got in trouble.So I think that some people just don't have enough empathy towards people who are different and who have mental problems like Sarah might have had.
That's not a good reason. You can't just say "Well being gay is wrong because it's GAY." At least give me a valid reason of why you think loving somebody of the same gender is wrong.
I didn't feel much, although I cried several times in the series before. For me it is like another user said: if there is a situation, where you know a character could die if you make a certain decision, then this character will die anyway soon after even if you decide against that option. Your actions have no impact on the world and in this episode for me that was very prominent, because really none of the decisions I took mattered. And this leaves the player in a "Seligman experiment"-like helplessness. This has a serious impact on the emotions I feel in the game. As long as I feel partly responsible for a situation, I feel a lot more. But now I just know there is nothing I can do, so it leaves me ... cold, I guess. This isn't my story, it isn't about my choices.
Situations in the last episode, that didn't matter for me:
1. chose to save Sarah (2x) --> Luke tells us when walking back in a weird way that he feels guilty, although we saved Sarah.
2. later chose to save Sarah again --> she dies horribly and just by "bad luck" instead of her mood or fear (final destination?) and Jane takes it as an excuse to leave anyway.
3. Didn't steal from the Russian Arvo --> The russians show up and tell me that we were stealing from them all the same.
4. Waited a day or two after childbirth to continue walking because of Rebecca --> everyone seems to be mad at Kenny for pressing on still and Rebecca just randomly dies all the same (to quote Kenny "she is worse now" - why?).
5. Didn't shot Rebecca to not let the situation escalate --> so Rebecca was shot by Kenny and the situation escalated.
I know the story cannot be perfect for all of the people, but it really would be nice if the choices were in situations, where it would make a difference. You know, like a situation where you can decide on saving one character and that makes another character leave the group or where you could chose for water or food, for save shelter or medical supplies, for one place to sleep or another, let us shoot Arvo or not etc. If that is too difficult in programming just let us decide on stuff that affects people around us and how they like or see us. But don't just invalidate our choices right away after we took them.
I still don't understand why the writers insist on killing characters consistently. What does it matter if in one playthrough a character leaves never to be seen again, while in another playthrough he/she dies? I would have liked this for Sarah, to disappear in a tricky situation and hope she will make it in this world like Clementine did if you made some choices and motivated her enough. Why can't we have that?
finally someone gets it. you the man, koi.
105 downvotes. damn.
There's not enough. IT NEEDS MORE!
And counting.
RESPECT !
Please stop to compare Clementine with Sarah.Clementine make a lot of good things in season 1.If you want to blame someone,blame Carlos.Come on,bring me 1000 downvotes,I dare you !
^Me killing every single Sarah hater that laughs about a child getting eating alive.
I seriously hope you don't have kids. If you do, I hope they'll be taken away from you FOREVER.
We love you Sarah
Rest in peace.
I agree, but not maybe as harsh as you. Everyone was just delaying her death, but she was too weak-minded to grasp how the world was supposed to be like. It was only a matter of time, and I'm happy that she didn't have to see too many horrors before she passed.
Lee would never do such a thing, even if Lee still existed, depends on your religion/beliefs though.