pff i remember being around 13 and saying that i would never drink or smoke,i am 17 now i don't smoke but i have tried one...that shit is disgusting but i have tried Marijuana which was awesome...and i try to drink every chance i get
Cool story bro.
I don't even know what you're talking about. You sound like one the guys who think everyone on the internet must be Ameri… morecan, and therefore watch American commercials.
I'm not basing my opinion on any propaganda commercial, but on common sense and scientific research.
I don't see them as bad influences, it's completely up to you what you choose to do they never really pressure you:)
I didn't let my Clementine drink or smoke because I wouldn't smoke (and would rarely) drink so it's not my cup of tea but it's up to the player whether they want their Clementine to drink or smoke and if they decide to do it then it wont seem like a wrong choice to them:)
Taking a little sip of alcohol doesn't hurt her, that's alright, especially if Clem's thirsty. Not really smoking, that not okay. I mean, what the hell Bonnie, asking a 11 year old girl if she want a cigarette. Just WTF....
If you were in Australia, you'd do time for that, and if it was Bali, you'd probably get the death penalty. Ever heard of Scapelle Corby before? Got a lot of controversy back in 2005.
pff i remember being around 13 and saying that i would never drink or smoke,i am 17 now i don't smoke but i have tried one...that shit is disgusting but i have tried Marijuana which was awesome...and i try to drink every chance i get
I didn't have her drink or smoke. Drinking is dumb in a ZA, you need to keep your senses sharp and your wits about you, and alcohol dulls both. You are in deep enough shit without tempting fate.
And smoking can really harm a girl that's growing like Clem. She's going to need strong lungs to be able to keep going as she grows older. Filling them with tar is suicidal.
You sound like a butt hurt European, who always tends to bring this issue up wherever they go.
Not really. I actually like USA very much. I just don't like ignorance. We're not all Americans. We don't all watch your commercials. Please don't be ignorant.
What research have you done? Or are you believing what your told because your just one of those people.
Oh, so I have to make my own research do I? Then I guess you don't believe in Einsteins Theory of General Relativity unless you've done your own research? This is science. People who are a hell of a lot smarter than we are use scientific methods to prove their theories. The same goes with medicine.
There has been tons of research made on this already. And yes, I believe in medical research. A hell of lot more than I believe in you, that's for sure.
This is not an opinion nor is it propaganda made to scare people. It's a medical fact.
You sound like one the guys who think everyone on the internet must be American, and therefore watch American commercials
You sound … morelike a butt hurt European, who always tends to bring this issue up wherever they go.
common sense and scientific research.
What research have you done? Or are you believing what your told because your just one of those people.
Eh, it's not like it's going to really hurt her. I don't think we have to worry about her becoming an addict or drunk since most alcohol and cigarettes are probably long since drank/smoked in the Walking Dead world. She may as well give it a try, since one never knows when one's life will end in her world.
Yep. The writers seemed to intend it as a social bonding method, but I saw it as making her less effective of a survivor - especially seeing as she's still a child.
Carver had a point when he banned alcohol and smoking.
Yep. The writers seemed to intend it as a social bonding method, but I saw it as making her less effective of a survivor - especially seeing as she's still a child.
Carver had a point when he banned alcohol and smoking.
She barely drank a sip of whiskey and rum and took a puff of smoke. It's not going to kill her or have long term consequences. It may even discourage her to take those habits later in her life.
It's really not too much of a big deal but it's kind of like giving into the chaos of the apocalypse really. You can pretty much do what you want and even though a little rum+cig isn't a big deal, I don't know I just wanted to maintain a few ideals as Clementine. I wanted Clem to be a good role model so others could actually learn from her. I think it would make Lee proud.
Oh forgive me great European overlord. Your obviously so much smarter than everyone, except Russia.
Then I guess you don't believe in Einsteins Theory of General Relativity unless you've done your own research?
Petty Straw Man tactics don't work on me.
People who are a hell of a lot smarter than we
I can make up my own mind, about things i don't need others to tell me what to think.
I believe in medical research
You mean how drug companies will do whatever it takes to earn a buck, like charging 200 dollars for a pill to someone who is dying. Yes they are thinking about the kids in Africa i'm sure....
This is not an opinion nor is it propaganda made to scare people. It's a medical fact.
People do not know what causes cancer. Stop making unproven claims. Some people think it may be genetic, some people think it is environmental, we don't know or they aren't telling us so they can sell their 200 dollar a pill markup.
You sound like a butt hurt European, who always tends to bring this issue up wherever they go.
Not really. I actually like USA very … moremuch. I just don't like ignorance. We're not all Americans. We don't all watch your commercials. Please don't be ignorant.
What research have you done? Or are you believing what your told because your just one of those people.
Oh, so I have to make my own research do I? Then I guess you don't believe in Einsteins Theory of General Relativity unless you've done your own research? This is science. People who are a hell of a lot smarter than we are use scientific methods to prove their theories. The same goes with medicine.
There has been tons of research made on this already. And yes, I believe in medical research. A hell of lot more than I believe in you, that's for sure.
This is not an opinion nor is it propaganda made to scare people. It's a medical fact.
Carver had a point when he banned alcohol and smoking
Why is that? People have the freedom to choose if they want to smoke or drink, they don't need big government in their lives holding their dicks every time they're at the urinal.
Yep. The writers seemed to intend it as a social bonding method, but I saw it as making her less effective of a survivor - especially seeing as she's still a child.
Carver had a point when he banned alcohol and smoking.
Honestly, I face palmed when Bonnie offered a cig to Clem. Really Bonnie? Offering a cig to a 12 yr old girl...
First and only drink Clem had was with Nick in that shed. That scene reminded me way too much of the scene with Daryl and Beth in the shack. Beth drinks alcohal for the 1st time there with Daryl. That's on of my favorite scenes so I had to.
There are no boys, no girls, no kids, no adults. There are survivors.
And Clementine is one. She can do what she wants.
You guys are talking like there's booze and cigarettes at every corner in the ZA. Let her drink or smoke for her first time, it could probably be the last anyway.
Oh forgive me great European overlord. Your obviously so much smarter than everyone, except Russia.
Cool story bro.
Petty Straw Man tactics don't work on me.
Right.
I can make up my own mind, about things i don't need others to tell me what to think.
This just goes to show how ignorant you really are. Thinking for yourself is one thing. But downright refusing to believe anyone other than yourself.. well, that's just stupid really.
You mean how drug companies will do whatever it takes to earn a buck, like charging 200 dollars for a pill to someone who is dying. Yes they are thinking about the kids in Africa i'm sure....
I'll say it again: we don't all live in America. Some of us live in a magical fairy-tale land with this thing called free health care! Where I come from, nobody charges dying people 200 dollars for a pill. In fact, they don't charge them anything. Tell me again what medical researchers would gain from lying in this case? Please don't tell me you think all medical research comes from private pharmaceutical companies in the US.
Also, I'd like to know what magical 200$ pill you have in the US that they claim can cure lung cancer. Never heard of it personally.
People do not know what causes cancer. Stop making unproven claims. Some people think it may be genetic, some people think it is environmental, we don't know or they aren't telling us so they can sell their 200 dollar a pill markup.
Again, your ignorance is astounding. Yes, nobody knows what causes "cancer". Because cancer is not one thing. There are many different forms of cancer. If you are referring to lung cancer, no smoking doesn't necessarily cause it, but it sure as hell increases your chance of getting it. A lot. Besides, there are other dangers to smoking than just lung cancer. Ever heard of COPD? It's one of the leading causes of death in my country. But sure, it's not dangerous. That's just what they want you to think.
It's a little hard to debate with a person who doesn't believe in research and statistics.
Please don't be ignorant.
Oh forgive me great European overlord. Your obviously so much smarter than everyone, except Russia.
… more Then I guess you don't believe in Einsteins Theory of General Relativity unless you've done your own research?
Petty Straw Man tactics don't work on me.
People who are a hell of a lot smarter than we
I can make up my own mind, about things i don't need others to tell me what to think.
I believe in medical research
You mean how drug companies will do whatever it takes to earn a buck, like charging 200 dollars for a pill to someone who is dying. Yes they are thinking about the kids in Africa i'm sure....
This is not an opinion nor is it propaganda made to scare people. It's a medical fact.
People do not know what causes cancer. Stop making unproven claims. Some people think it may be genetic, some people think it is environmental, we don't know or they aren't telling us so they can sell their 200 dollar a pill markup.
Disappointed in you for taking a sip of rum. Perfectly fine with letting you watch him bash a man's face to jelly. Kenny is a complicated animal, ain't he?
Clementine can do what she wants its her choice plus she isn't a real person so real situations don't really have to apply to her she is just a character in a game she is not real so cause she is a game character she can do whatever she wants but she does by our choices so in this case we decide what she does cause she cant really herself but if she was able to it would be by her choice but we decide what she does and it does not matter anyway cause she is just a character there is nothing real about her and even if there was we cant make that call for her it would be hers and hers alone but as far as this goes if its a choice in the game than it can be made if we want it to this is all imagination why does it matter whether its right or wrong its only a game besides its a choice if its in the game if you want her to do than let her if not than don't there really does not need to be a discussion on this whether its right or wrong its all about choice in a game it does not have to be right or wrong if you chose to let her drink and smoke than you did if not than you didn't its just a choice plus most cases she's in a za which means regular rules would not apply anyway most everything that was would be no more it would be about survival no matter what or at all cost all the normal right and wrongs would be thrown out the window and would not apply which means she could smoke if she wanted to and drink but her choices are in our hands so its our decision on what she does if you want her to smoke than let her if not than don't its just a choice for the ones that don't than don't but for the ones that chose to have her smoke let them choose that if they want their Clementine to smoke I know you guys want to think real life and all and she should not be aloud but we cant think of actual life either besides its za even if it was real life its the za which means the real life laws and rules would be thrown out cause it would be just about survival at all cost which means the rules would not matter anymore we cant think of real life cause even if we did the rules would not be there anymore anyway which means the rules would not apply anyway there would be no more rules other than to survive at all cost and the laws and rules would be gone it would be just about survival yea to people it could be wrong but if she was real and this was actually happening it would be her call and we could not do a thing about it cause if a za really happened the rules and laws no longer apply which means its all her choice and we would have no say in the matter but because its just a game and she is not real we have that choice whether we let her or not its just a choice but if this was all real than we would have no choice it would really be her call to make whether we agree or not but the point is we don't need to make a big deal out of this just cause whether its really wrong or not besides its just a choice don't matter if its right or wrong just a choice even if it was real life it would be a choice anyone can make cause in a za real life choices like this wont matter cause if it was real she could not get in trouble for smoking or drinking anyway in a za cause the rules and law no longer apply it would be just about survival so at a time like that she could whether its right or wrong it would no longer matter we cant think of real life situations cause even we did they would not apply In the za yes people her age probably would get in trouble for smoking and drinking in real life but if it was the za I doubt that they would be in trouble for smoking and drinking cause they would be to worried about trying to survive in a za to even think about arresting them and besides all the normal rules would pretty much be gone by then and everyone would be worrying about one thing and one rule and that's just to survive at all cost I don't think they would be worrying about youngsters drinking and smoking they would not approve but they would not really be worrying about that they would really be worrying about survival
Because it makes them less efficient as survivors. Obsessing over discipline can be creepy when it leads to hurting children, but there is a point behind not drinking on the job.
Carver had a point when he banned alcohol and smoking
Why is that? People have the freedom to choose if they want to smoke or drink, they don't need big government in their lives holding their dicks every time they're at the urinal.
I'll tell you what should stop you from getting drunk during the apocalypse: your drunken ass stumbling and getting eaten by zombies who are more agile than you.
Clementine can do what she wants its her choice plus she isn't a real person so real situations don't really have to apply to her she is jus… moret a character in a game she is not real so cause she is a game character she can do whatever she wants but she does by our choices so in this case we decide what she does cause she cant really herself but if she was able to it would be by her choice but we decide what she does and it does not matter anyway cause she is just a character there is nothing real about her and even if there was we cant make that call for her it would be hers and hers alone but as far as this goes if its a choice in the game than it can be made if we want it to this is all imagination why does it matter whether its right or wrong its only a game besides its a choice if its in the game if you want her to do than let her if not than don't there really does not need to be a discussion on this whether its right or wrong its all abou… [view original content]
But taking a little sip of that rum wouldn't do her harm. I'm sure a lot of children do it, ask their parents if they can have a sip. And their parents let them, because it's a sip. I've had sips of alcohol. I'm perfectly fine.
In a normal society where things are relatively safe? Sure (and even then, we don't let people drink and drive). In a place where you getting drunk risks the lives of everyone around you? No. Might still allow some situations though (when someone is off duty, maybe) just to lower friction until the alcohol is gone.
Carver had a point when he banned alcohol and smoking
Why is that? People have the freedom to choose if they want to smoke or drink, they don't need big government in their lives holding their dicks every time they're at the urinal.
It was not wrong, and only you westerners or americans would think so
Volience and gore you love but nudity or anything natural or bare you find repulsing lol
Hell I was bit younger then Clem when I had my first sip of liquor and beer [ no am not a alcoholic today] and kept getting sips until I was older to drink little more and then legal age to drink whole lot or anytime I wanted
Like Clem said, after all the shit she has seen and been throughout drinking and smoking is the least bit worrisome or bad
When I was offered the drink I was like "It's not like she's gonna get drunk or anything, go on then.", but when offered the choice to smoke, I hit NOPE faster than any other choice I've ever made in TWD. XD
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As a non-american nurse myself who takes care of kids I can assure you it's a fact.
pff i remember being around 13 and saying that i would never drink or smoke,i am 17 now i don't smoke but i have tried one...that shit is disgusting but i have tried Marijuana which was awesome...and i try to drink every chance i get
You sound like a butt hurt European, who always tends to bring this issue up wherever they go.
What research have you done? Or are you believing what your told because your just one of those people.
Well, still kids shouldn't do those things they could mess her up.
Then why does it say may on the Surgeon general's warning?
.... you could have her smoke?
Haha, you'll learn otherwise when you're a bit older :P
I don't see them as bad influences, it's completely up to you what you choose to do they never really pressure you:)
I didn't let my Clementine drink or smoke because I wouldn't smoke (and would rarely) drink so it's not my cup of tea but it's up to the player whether they want their Clementine to drink or smoke and if they decide to do it then it wont seem like a wrong choice to them:)
The world is filled with zombies and you're worried about bad influences?
Taking a little sip of alcohol doesn't hurt her, that's alright, especially if Clem's thirsty. Not really smoking, that not okay. I mean, what the hell Bonnie, asking a 11 year old girl if she want a cigarette. Just WTF....
If you were in Australia, you'd do time for that, and if it was Bali, you'd probably get the death penalty. Ever heard of Scapelle Corby before? Got a lot of controversy back in 2005.
clementine can't smoke drink is ok in the cold but she can't smoke
if she does take a drink it does warm her up when talking to kenny she shivers if she doesn't have a drink so it does help her
I didn't have her drink or smoke. Drinking is dumb in a ZA, you need to keep your senses sharp and your wits about you, and alcohol dulls both. You are in deep enough shit without tempting fate.
And smoking can really harm a girl that's growing like Clem. She's going to need strong lungs to be able to keep going as she grows older. Filling them with tar is suicidal.
Not really. I actually like USA very much. I just don't like ignorance. We're not all Americans. We don't all watch your commercials. Please don't be ignorant.
Oh, so I have to make my own research do I? Then I guess you don't believe in Einsteins Theory of General Relativity unless you've done your own research? This is science. People who are a hell of a lot smarter than we are use scientific methods to prove their theories. The same goes with medicine.
There has been tons of research made on this already. And yes, I believe in medical research. A hell of lot more than I believe in you, that's for sure.
This is not an opinion nor is it propaganda made to scare people. It's a medical fact.
Eh, it's not like it's going to really hurt her. I don't think we have to worry about her becoming an addict or drunk since most alcohol and cigarettes are probably long since drank/smoked in the Walking Dead world. She may as well give it a try, since one never knows when one's life will end in her world.
This. Why should everybody have to try something that could kill you?
Yep. The writers seemed to intend it as a social bonding method, but I saw it as making her less effective of a survivor - especially seeing as she's still a child.
Carver had a point when he banned alcohol and smoking.
Clem only drinks where it's safe, and it seems she didn't like it that much. Everybody has to try it, even Clem.
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She barely drank a sip of whiskey and rum and took a puff of smoke. It's not going to kill her or have long term consequences. It may even discourage her to take those habits later in her life.
It's really not too much of a big deal but it's kind of like giving into the chaos of the apocalypse really. You can pretty much do what you want and even though a little rum+cig isn't a big deal, I don't know I just wanted to maintain a few ideals as Clementine. I wanted Clem to be a good role model so others could actually learn from her. I think it would make Lee proud.
kenny thinks so..
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Oh forgive me great European overlord. Your obviously so much smarter than everyone, except Russia.
Petty Straw Man tactics don't work on me.
I can make up my own mind, about things i don't need others to tell me what to think.
You mean how drug companies will do whatever it takes to earn a buck, like charging 200 dollars for a pill to someone who is dying. Yes they are thinking about the kids in Africa i'm sure....
People do not know what causes cancer. Stop making unproven claims. Some people think it may be genetic, some people think it is environmental, we don't know or they aren't telling us so they can sell their 200 dollar a pill markup.
Why is that? People have the freedom to choose if they want to smoke or drink, they don't need big government in their lives holding their dicks every time they're at the urinal.
Honestly, I face palmed when Bonnie offered a cig to Clem. Really Bonnie? Offering a cig to a 12 yr old girl...
First and only drink Clem had was with Nick in that shed. That scene reminded me way too much of the scene with Daryl and Beth in the shack. Beth drinks alcohal for the 1st time there with Daryl. That's on of my favorite scenes so I had to.
Pax or nothing.
There are no boys, no girls, no kids, no adults. There are survivors.
And Clementine is one. She can do what she wants.
You guys are talking like there's booze and cigarettes at every corner in the ZA. Let her drink or smoke for her first time, it could probably be the last anyway.
Cool story bro.
Right.
This just goes to show how ignorant you really are. Thinking for yourself is one thing. But downright refusing to believe anyone other than yourself.. well, that's just stupid really.
I'll say it again: we don't all live in America. Some of us live in a magical fairy-tale land with this thing called free health care! Where I come from, nobody charges dying people 200 dollars for a pill. In fact, they don't charge them anything. Tell me again what medical researchers would gain from lying in this case? Please don't tell me you think all medical research comes from private pharmaceutical companies in the US.
Also, I'd like to know what magical 200$ pill you have in the US that they claim can cure lung cancer. Never heard of it personally.
Again, your ignorance is astounding. Yes, nobody knows what causes "cancer". Because cancer is not one thing. There are many different forms of cancer. If you are referring to lung cancer, no smoking doesn't necessarily cause it, but it sure as hell increases your chance of getting it. A lot. Besides, there are other dangers to smoking than just lung cancer. Ever heard of COPD? It's one of the leading causes of death in my country. But sure, it's not dangerous. That's just what they want you to think.
It's a little hard to debate with a person who doesn't believe in research and statistics.
Yes he is!
Clementine can do what she wants its her choice plus she isn't a real person so real situations don't really have to apply to her she is just a character in a game she is not real so cause she is a game character she can do whatever she wants but she does by our choices so in this case we decide what she does cause she cant really herself but if she was able to it would be by her choice but we decide what she does and it does not matter anyway cause she is just a character there is nothing real about her and even if there was we cant make that call for her it would be hers and hers alone but as far as this goes if its a choice in the game than it can be made if we want it to this is all imagination why does it matter whether its right or wrong its only a game besides its a choice if its in the game if you want her to do than let her if not than don't there really does not need to be a discussion on this whether its right or wrong its all about choice in a game it does not have to be right or wrong if you chose to let her drink and smoke than you did if not than you didn't its just a choice plus most cases she's in a za which means regular rules would not apply anyway most everything that was would be no more it would be about survival no matter what or at all cost all the normal right and wrongs would be thrown out the window and would not apply which means she could smoke if she wanted to and drink but her choices are in our hands so its our decision on what she does if you want her to smoke than let her if not than don't its just a choice for the ones that don't than don't but for the ones that chose to have her smoke let them choose that if they want their Clementine to smoke I know you guys want to think real life and all and she should not be aloud but we cant think of actual life either besides its za even if it was real life its the za which means the real life laws and rules would be thrown out cause it would be just about survival at all cost which means the rules would not matter anymore we cant think of real life cause even if we did the rules would not be there anymore anyway which means the rules would not apply anyway there would be no more rules other than to survive at all cost and the laws and rules would be gone it would be just about survival yea to people it could be wrong but if she was real and this was actually happening it would be her call and we could not do a thing about it cause if a za really happened the rules and laws no longer apply which means its all her choice and we would have no say in the matter but because its just a game and she is not real we have that choice whether we let her or not its just a choice but if this was all real than we would have no choice it would really be her call to make whether we agree or not but the point is we don't need to make a big deal out of this just cause whether its really wrong or not besides its just a choice don't matter if its right or wrong just a choice even if it was real life it would be a choice anyone can make cause in a za real life choices like this wont matter cause if it was real she could not get in trouble for smoking or drinking anyway in a za cause the rules and law no longer apply it would be just about survival so at a time like that she could whether its right or wrong it would no longer matter we cant think of real life situations cause even we did they would not apply In the za yes people her age probably would get in trouble for smoking and drinking in real life but if it was the za I doubt that they would be in trouble for smoking and drinking cause they would be to worried about trying to survive in a za to even think about arresting them and besides all the normal rules would pretty much be gone by then and everyone would be worrying about one thing and one rule and that's just to survive at all cost I don't think they would be worrying about youngsters drinking and smoking they would not approve but they would not really be worrying about that they would really be worrying about survival
Because it makes them less efficient as survivors. Obsessing over discipline can be creepy when it leads to hurting children, but there is a point behind not drinking on the job.
Cool formatting, bro.
I'll tell you what should stop you from getting drunk during the apocalypse: your drunken ass stumbling and getting eaten by zombies who are more agile than you.
I started smoking at 13, so once she's older than that (maybe in a future season), I can't get preachy about her smoking without being a hypocrite.
Smoking is bad.
But taking a little sip of that rum wouldn't do her harm. I'm sure a lot of children do it, ask their parents if they can have a sip. And their parents let them, because it's a sip. I've had sips of alcohol. I'm perfectly fine.
Clem didn't seem to like it.
Nowhere is safe.
In a normal society where things are relatively safe? Sure (and even then, we don't let people drink and drive). In a place where you getting drunk risks the lives of everyone around you? No. Might still allow some situations though (when someone is off duty, maybe) just to lower friction until the alcohol is gone.
It was not wrong, and only you westerners or americans would think so
Volience and gore you love but nudity or anything natural or bare you find repulsing lol
Hell I was bit younger then Clem when I had my first sip of liquor and beer [ no am not a alcoholic today] and kept getting sips until I was older to drink little more and then legal age to drink whole lot or anytime I wanted
Like Clem said, after all the shit she has seen and been throughout drinking and smoking is the least bit worrisome or bad
When I was offered the drink I was like "It's not like she's gonna get drunk or anything, go on then.", but when offered the choice to smoke, I hit NOPE faster than any other choice I've ever made in TWD. XD